BF2S Forums New 2007 iMac vs Dell XPS.

ThomasMorgan wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

None of you guys are understanding this.

Like leetkyle said, it's not trying to show how many cables a PC has, but how few an Apple has.  One of Apple's biggest marketing points was that their computers are ready to go pretty much straight out of the box.  Take it out, plug in the power cord, keyboard, and mouse...and you're good to go.

I would think that such a feature does not appeal to too many people here. Just having seating for 6 would not appeal to a sports car enthusiast.

So on this website it may not be as effective as it would be outside of this website, true.  But just from looking at this advertisement, I can tell you that if someone doesn't know much about computers, it makes the Apple look better.  It's cleaner, sleeker, and looks far simpler than the PC.

I agree with that wording.

ceslayer23 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

None of you guys are understanding this.

Like leetkyle said, it's not trying to show how many cables a PC has, but how few an Apple has.  One of Apple's biggest marketing points was that their computers are ready to go pretty much straight out of the box.  Take it out, plug in the power cord, keyboard, and mouse...and you're good to go.

isnt that the same with PC's?  you plug in the power, keyboard, mouse and monitor and youre ready to go?

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

None of you guys are understanding this.

Like leetkyle said, it's not trying to show how many cables a PC has, but how few an Apple has.  One of Apple's biggest marketing points was that their computers are ready to go pretty much straight out of the box.  Take it out, plug in the power cord, keyboard, and mouse...and you're good to go.

Erm buy a Dell, put it on the desk plug in the power keyboard mouse and monitor, turn it on, bam done, I should know we have 15 at work

It's a terrible ad campaign.

If you look at that picture, the PC also has a webcam and another peripheral on top of the tower (perhaps a flash drive or media bay) which both come standard (and built-in) with the Apple, as far as I know.  So if you want to match the Apple, that's at least one more peripheral, and therefore one more wire, and one more thing to connect/install software for.

It's funny...I've had an ibook for the past four years and I bought a new desktop (a PC) last year to use solely for gaming purposes.  When I couldn't get my wireless internet to work with my desktop, I turned on my ibook...and it worked instantly.  That's pretty much how Apples are.  Things just work.

leetkyle wrote:

Macs = Video and Multimedia
PCs = Gaming and non-mac performance and a right mouse button and a far greater range of software

/end.

Yeah, pretty much.

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

leetkyle wrote:

Macs = Video and Multimedia
PCs = Gaming and non-mac performance and a right mouse button and a far greater range of software

/end.

Yeah, pretty much.

...mac's support right clicking, fyi.  I just hook my G5 up to my ibook and it does the exact same thing.

double posting is naughty, i think the macs look gay, its kinda like a gay mans computer

ThomasMorgan wrote:

If you look at that picture, the PC also has a webcam and another peripheral on top of the tower (perhaps a flash drive or media bay) which both come standard (and built-in) with the Apple, as far as I know.  So if you want to match the Apple, that's at least one more peripheral, and therefore one more wire, and one more thing to connect/install software for.

It's funny...I've had an ibook for the past four years and I bought a new desktop (a PC) last year to use solely for gaming purposes.  When I couldn't get my wireless internet to work with my desktop, I turned on my ibook...and it worked instantly.  That's pretty much how Apples are.  Things just work.

Intially, valid point, the web cam and other superfluous items are extra add ins (which you plug in and work straight off as they have their drivers preloaded at the factory) but do add extra cables (but as I said if your buying something for having less cables you really shouldnt be buying anything at all).

As for the wireless thing I can pretty much garuntee that's going to be your fault not the PCs, all day every day I get people whinging about how their PCs dont work so i go down to them and within 30 seconds, walk off with it all working, it's always their fault for lacking in knowledge, again pushing the lesser educated and slightly I.T. illiterate towards the Mac. hardware wise PCs win hands down no competition, in industry (graphics and video editing and all that included) they wouldnt touch that MAC with a 50 foot pole, something breaks in it, youve lost a whole work station while it gets repaired, there aren't any field replaceable parts to it, the parts are already getting out dated, an ATi 2600 wont cut it for gaming in the near future and it lacks memory for video rendering, the CPU is about above average these days, system RAM is low by anyones standards. 

No a PC doesn't do everything for you, for me thats its best point, if you know what to do you can do almost anything you want on a PC, with that Mac you couldnt even buy a new monitor or upgrade the graphics, or really do anything but what it tells you you can do, which contrary to popular belief is not everything.

The 'it just works' thing comes about simply because everything you can use on a MAC is made specifically for a Mac and nothing but a Mac, with one OS, one set of drivers, one scenario, PCs have to account for every eventuality, they can't cherry pic the hardware in the systems they have to support they have to work with what theyre given, they do this well and always will, give a MAC an 8800GTX (not that it's even fit) and it wouldn't know where to start.

Jenspm wrote:

You'll also have to add an awesome screen to that price.


Still, most of the forumers here have a PC, because they play Games.
PC's beat macs when it comes to gaming.
Macs beat PC's at the other stuff (Video, Media, etc)

I have a PC for gaming, and if I hadn't gotten a free laptop from school, I would definately have a Powerbook, as I'm not gonna use my laptop for gaming.

geddit?

Going by that spec list it's not going to be good for media work either, you need more system ram, more graphics power and more graphics memory to even think about doing high end media work, rendering a decent length video with any decent degree of work done on it with that rig would take you a seriously fkin long time, and the pre-comping of it while you're working on it would make you tare your hair out.

I agree with Mac books though, theyre actually good value.

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2007-08-07 13:13:47)

What are you guys talking about with the "Photoshop" and "Videos" and "Multimedia" and all that crap, my computer which isn't decent at all can do that without breaking a sweat.

I believe a PC with the right parts con do it just as easily too. It's a no contest. A PC can do everything a Mac can do, plus more. A Mac can't do everything a PC does. I don't even know why there is the "PC" and the "Mac", why did Apple have to break away like that? At least be revolutionary if you're gonna break away.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-08-07 13:57:18)

ThomasMorgan wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

If you look at that picture, the PC also has a webcam and another peripheral on top of the tower (perhaps a flash drive or media bay) which both come standard (and built-in) with the Apple, as far as I know.  So if you want to match the Apple, that's at least one more peripheral, and therefore one more wire, and one more thing to connect/install software for.

It's funny...I've had an ibook for the past four years and I bought a new desktop (a PC) last year to use solely for gaming purposes.  When I couldn't get my wireless internet to work with my desktop, I turned on my ibook...and it worked instantly.  That's pretty much how Apples are.  Things just work.

Intially, valid point, the web cam and other superfluous items are extra add ins (which you plug in and work straight off as they have their drivers preloaded at the factory) but do add extra cables (but as I said if your buying something for having less cables you really shouldnt be buying anything at all).

As for the wireless thing I can pretty much garuntee that's going to be your fault not the PCs, all day every day I get people whinging about how their PCs dont work so i go down to them and within 30 seconds, walk off with it all working, it's always their fault for lacking in knowledge, again pushing the lesser educated and slightly I.T. illiterate towards the Mac. hardware wise PCs win hands down no competition, in industry (graphics and video editing and all that included) they wouldnt touch that MAC with a 50 foot pole, something breaks in it, youve lost a whole work station while it gets repaired, there aren't any field replaceable parts to it, the parts are already getting out dated, an ATi 2600 wont cut it for gaming in the near future and it lacks memory for video rendering, the CPU is about above average these days, system RAM is low by anyones standards. 

No a PC doesn't do everything for you, for me thats its best point, if you know what to do you can do almost anything you want on a PC, with that Mac you couldnt even buy a new monitor or upgrade the graphics, or really do anything but what it tells you you can do, which contrary to popular belief is not everything.

The 'it just works' thing comes about simply because everything you can use on a MAC is made specifically for a Mac and nothing but a Mac, with one OS, one set of drivers, one scenario, PCs have to account for every eventuality, they can't cherry pic the hardware in the systems they have to support they have to work with what theyre given, they do this well and always will, give a MAC an 8800GTX (not that it's even fit) and it wouldn't know where to start.

Jenspm wrote:

You'll also have to add an awesome screen to that price.


Still, most of the forumers here have a PC, because they play Games.
PC's beat macs when it comes to gaming.
Macs beat PC's at the other stuff (Video, Media, etc)

I have a PC for gaming, and if I hadn't gotten a free laptop from school, I would definately have a Powerbook, as I'm not gonna use my laptop for gaming.

geddit?

Going by that spec list it's not going to be good for media work either, you need more system ram, more graphics power and more graphics memory to even think about doing high end media work, rendering a decent length video with any decent degree of work done on it with that rig would take you a seriously fkin long time, and the pre-comping of it while you're working on it would make you tare your hair out.

I agree with Mac books though, theyre actually good value.

I'll admit, I know next to nothing about networking, but I think it speaks volumes when something that won't work on my PC works perfectly on my ibook without me having to change a thing.

Also, I'll agree with you about not being able to replace things if they break, but I've never had anything break on a PC.  Is that rare?  I don't know...but the only times I've ever upgraded my PC were for gaming purposes.  More RAM, a better sound card, a better video card...

...and that brings me to my next point.  PCs are great for gaming.  However, I don't really game much anymore.  That's what I have my XBox for.  These days, all I do on my PC is surf the web, listen to music, watch movies, and talk to friends.  What stops me from doing that?  Windows crashing, using system resources, and just being slow all around.  In my four years of using my ibook, I've never had Mac OSX crash.  I've never gotten an error message.  So really, for what I need it, an Apple would make more sense, would it not?

Don't get too full of the idea that Mac's can't crash. At work we've had an unbelievable amount that perform badly, and get frequent grey curtains of death.

As for the commercial, I don't really see how less cables would matter to anyone. Obviously I do realise though that Apple commercials are designed to sell computers to morons. I'd also like to know what Apples > PC's at Media/Video is about. About the only program that I'd say Apple have the advantage in would be FCP, because it's not on Windows. The both work just as well as each other at that kind of stuff.

ghetto, clear your mind.

100%.

Look at the add.

Which would you rather have?

ghettoperson wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

ghetto, clear your mind.

100%.

Look at the add.

Which would you rather have?

The Dell. And that's coming from someone who works with both all day.

I said clear your mind

ghettoperson wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

The Dell. And that's coming from someone who works with both all day.

I said clear your mind

When you say clear, you mean clear of knowledge? In that case, the Apple...

exactly.

In the image, it looks practical, sexy, no wires etc. Hell, I could have that Mac in my living room.

Well it really depends, you can't play games on a mac so I'd say it would be better for college work or whatever. XPS's are big so they can handle games with big requirements. They both do what they are made to do imo

Jenspm wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

I said clear your mind

When you say clear, you mean clear of knowledge? In that case, the Apple...

exactly.

In the image, it looks practical, sexy, no wires etc. Hell, I could have that Mac in my living room.

I wouldn't pay twice the price, just cos it looks pretty...