he usually is.
You should probably watch the clip.CoronadoSEAL wrote:
he usually is.
Secure the Border! Build a 50 foot wall that they can climb over or under! Don't address or acknowledge the fundamental reasons immigrants come here,
It gets old.
But on a serious note. There are those that say "If the 12 million illegals were suddenly upended, deported, or imprisoned...'WHO'd DO THE WORK THEY DO?'" They go on to suggest that us proud Americans would never pick the cotton, the fruit, the veges. They say we wouldn't clean up our own construction site messes. I think that's completely wrong. What would the farmers do? Let's see what would happen. let's see if there's a single homeless vietnam veteran on the street after that. Making the argument based on an unprecedented "what if" at the cost of continuing to be bled dry by these tax using illegals is reckless.
Funny video btw.
Funny video btw.
People want to work, for sure. Not for subsistence living though. Also, a lot of people have a sense of entitlement in regards to employment.IRONCHEF wrote:
But on a serious note. There are those that say "If the 12 million illegals were suddenly upended, deported, or imprisoned...'WHO'd DO THE WORK THEY DO?'" They go on to suggest that us proud Americans would never pick the cotton, the fruit, the veges. They say we wouldn't clean up our own construction site messes. I think that's completely wrong. What would the farmers do? Let's see what would happen. let's see if there's a single homeless vietnam veteran on the street after that. Making the argument based on an unprecedented "what if" at the cost of continuing to be bled dry by these tax using illegals is reckless.
Funny video btw.
Around here, working for McDonald's is pretty much a joke, despite ok pay and benefits (which is good for part time students or teenagers).
Plus, a lot of homeless people are on the streets because they have mental health issues, not because they can't find work. The stereotypical 'bum' anyways.
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Inflation happens regardless of whether or not we have illegals.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
In fact, you could say our current negligence in terms of border security is just postponing future inflation that will eventually beat us down if we don't fix things like the federal debt and our trade deficit.
Raising the minimum wage would not necessarily mean a rise in inflation.
In the mean time watch this
guys the main problem here in the great US is sitting in the white house why do you guys blame the defenseless for your problems?
Shot at 2007-08-11
Shot at 2007-08-11
If you raised the min wage how'd you control inflation?Turquoise wrote:
Inflation happens regardless of whether or not we have illegals.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
In fact, you could say our current negligence in terms of border security is just postponing future inflation that will eventually beat us down if we don't fix things like the federal debt and our trade deficit.
Raising the minimum wage would not necessarily mean a rise in inflation.
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.Turquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
Well, for one, the tax cuts for small business owners I mentioned would allow them to keep prices closer to their original levels than they otherwise could. Some inflation would be inevitable, but if done correctly, the rise in wages would more than compensate.sergeriver wrote:
If you raised the min wage how'd you control inflation?Turquoise wrote:
Inflation happens regardless of whether or not we have illegals.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?
In fact, you could say our current negligence in terms of border security is just postponing future inflation that will eventually beat us down if we don't fix things like the federal debt and our trade deficit.
Raising the minimum wage would not necessarily mean a rise in inflation.
Heard of "Trickle down economics"? Its still hard at work and trashing an America near you.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Why should the AVERAGE CEO earn 1400x more salary than the janitor, usually for not doing a very good job, and then let the taxpayer foot the bill when the company goes under for bad management? Bail-outs anyone? Nobody bailed my ass out when I divorced at the tender age of 20 with an ex-wife sticking me with $30,000 in cc debt. I worked 3 jobs for about 4 years to pay it off and live at the same time, so why does a corporation get a break?
Slowly increasing minimum salary levels AND paying off national debts (reducing the money supply) makes for a zero-sum game. The same effect can be achieved by lowering or nullifying taxes on minimum wage earners. Raising minimum wage does not cause inflation, it simply redistributes the wealth. The only way inflation is caused on a macro economic scale is when a government increases money supply to pay debt instruments. The impact is further reduced by the fact that very few people work for minimum wage in the US, its really just a political gimmick to start.
What did Clinton do about it?sergeriver wrote:
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.Turquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
what an ignorant you are the fucking Chinese are worst than the illegal aliens but for you guys it's easier to blame the browns because they are here and have no nukes to fuck you upTurquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
you bat lefty all the time for being an independentusmarine2005 wrote:
What did Clinton do about it?sergeriver wrote:
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.Turquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
If you're going to call me ignorant, at least say it in a way that is grammatically correct.RECONDO67 wrote:
what an ignorant you are the fucking Chinese are worst than the illegal aliens but for you guys it's easier to blame the browns because they are here and have no nukes to fuck you upTurquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
If you read some of my other posts, you'll notice that I care for China even less than I care for Mexico. I'm not a big fan of Cuba or its illegals either.
The point is, we've been selling out America for quite some time now, and we end up with way more poor people than we need. We should limit most immigration to people with money or significant levels of education or skill. The brain drain effect is wonderful for our economy, but we have a massive surplus of poor people that has been ruining our public amenities.
He hired an illegal immigrant to drive his car. Damn, you do hate Clinton, lol.usmarine2005 wrote:
What did Clinton do about it?sergeriver wrote:
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.Turquoise wrote:
Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration. It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.
The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind. NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
Agreed... Wealth disparity is a major component of all this. To make matters worse, we allow poor people from much more desperate areas to flood into this country, which further increases wealth disparity due to depressed wages.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Heard of "Trickle down economics"? Its still hard at work and trashing an America near you.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Why should the AVERAGE CEO earn 1400x more salary than the janitor, usually for not doing a very good job, and then let the taxpayer foot the bill when the company goes under for bad management? Bail-outs anyone? Nobody bailed my ass out when I divorced at the tender age of 20 with an ex-wife sticking me with $30,000 in cc debt. I worked 3 jobs for about 4 years to pay it off and live at the same time, so why does a corporation get a break?
Slowly increasing minimum salary levels AND paying off national debts (reducing the money supply) makes for a zero-sum game. The same effect can be achieved by lowering or nullifying taxes on minimum wage earners. Raising minimum wage does not cause inflation, it simply redistributes the wealth. The only way inflation is caused on a macro economic scale is when a government increases money supply to pay debt instruments. The impact is further reduced by the fact that very few people work for minimum wage in the US, its really just a political gimmick to start.
It made sense to let a bunch of poor people into America when we had a factory economy, but nowadays, we're service based. We don't need more poor people for that kind of economy.
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If you get rid of aliens, you'll need to raise the minimum wage big time, then Americans will take those jobs. Now, tell me that won't produce inflation, even paying debts. More money will be in the street, the higher the demand the higher the prices.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Heard of "Trickle down economics"? Its still hard at work and trashing an America near you.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the unwanted jobs argument could easily be defused by securing the border and raising the minimum wage afterwards.
Simultaneously, we could remove all the major tax cuts for corporations and replace them with tax cuts for small business owners.
Why should the AVERAGE CEO earn 1400x more salary than the janitor, usually for not doing a very good job, and then let the taxpayer foot the bill when the company goes under for bad management? Bail-outs anyone? Nobody bailed my ass out when I divorced at the tender age of 20 with an ex-wife sticking me with $30,000 in cc debt. I worked 3 jobs for about 4 years to pay it off and live at the same time, so why does a corporation get a break?
Slowly increasing minimum salary levels AND paying off national debts (reducing the money supply) makes for a zero-sum game. The same effect can be achieved by lowering or nullifying taxes on minimum wage earners. Raising minimum wage does not cause inflation, it simply redistributes the wealth. The only way inflation is caused on a macro economic scale is when a government increases money supply to pay debt instruments. The impact is further reduced by the fact that very few people work for minimum wage in the US, its really just a political gimmick to start.
Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result. It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.sergeriver wrote:
If you get rid of aliens, you'll need to raise the minimum wage big time, then Americans will take those jobs. Now, tell me that won't produce inflation, even paying debts. More money will be in the street, the higher the demand the higher the prices.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Heard of "Trickle down economics"? Its still hard at work and trashing an America near you.sergeriver wrote:
Have you heard of inflation?
Why should the AVERAGE CEO earn 1400x more salary than the janitor, usually for not doing a very good job, and then let the taxpayer foot the bill when the company goes under for bad management? Bail-outs anyone? Nobody bailed my ass out when I divorced at the tender age of 20 with an ex-wife sticking me with $30,000 in cc debt. I worked 3 jobs for about 4 years to pay it off and live at the same time, so why does a corporation get a break?
Slowly increasing minimum salary levels AND paying off national debts (reducing the money supply) makes for a zero-sum game. The same effect can be achieved by lowering or nullifying taxes on minimum wage earners. Raising minimum wage does not cause inflation, it simply redistributes the wealth. The only way inflation is caused on a macro economic scale is when a government increases money supply to pay debt instruments. The impact is further reduced by the fact that very few people work for minimum wage in the US, its really just a political gimmick to start.
We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.
I don´t get it, me being from Sweden!
Eastcost or westcost?
Eastcost or westcost?
Totally agreed. But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant. They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods. Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people. You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.Turquoise wrote:
Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result. It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.sergeriver wrote:
If you get rid of aliens, you'll need to raise the minimum wage big time, then Americans will take those jobs. Now, tell me that won't produce inflation, even paying debts. More money will be in the street, the higher the demand the higher the prices.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Heard of "Trickle down economics"? Its still hard at work and trashing an America near you.
Why should the AVERAGE CEO earn 1400x more salary than the janitor, usually for not doing a very good job, and then let the taxpayer foot the bill when the company goes under for bad management? Bail-outs anyone? Nobody bailed my ass out when I divorced at the tender age of 20 with an ex-wife sticking me with $30,000 in cc debt. I worked 3 jobs for about 4 years to pay it off and live at the same time, so why does a corporation get a break?
Slowly increasing minimum salary levels AND paying off national debts (reducing the money supply) makes for a zero-sum game. The same effect can be achieved by lowering or nullifying taxes on minimum wage earners. Raising minimum wage does not cause inflation, it simply redistributes the wealth. The only way inflation is caused on a macro economic scale is when a government increases money supply to pay debt instruments. The impact is further reduced by the fact that very few people work for minimum wage in the US, its really just a political gimmick to start.
We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.