BF2S Forums The cost of illegal aliens

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

If you get rid of aliens, you'll need to raise the minimum wage big time, then Americans will take those jobs.  Now, tell me that won't produce inflation, even paying debts.  More money will be in the street, the higher the demand the higher the prices.

Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result.  It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.

We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.

Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.

True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result.  It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.

We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.

Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.

True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.

Don't misunderstand me.  I'm against illegal aliens, if you wanna be there bring your papers with you.  I'm saying that you can't remove all of them in one day.  You need to stop illegal immigration first.  Then see what you can do with all the aliens there.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-08-10 17:33:41)

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.

True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.

Don't misunderstand me.  I'm against illegal aliens, if you wanna be there bring your papers with you.  I'm saying that you can't remove all of them in one day.  You need to stop illegal immigration first.  Then see what you can do with all the aliens there.

True...  that's where prosecuting employers comes in...

RECONDO67 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.

What did Clinton do about it?

you bat lefty all the time for being an independent

Because I truly hated him.  But, besides that hatred, what did he do with all of his economic power?  Where did it go exactly?  Why didn't he fix immigration?  I blame the government since the 80's, not Bush since 2003.  That shit pisses me off.

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?

yes.....

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?

yes.....

Quite an answer, with no explanation.

welcome

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to some condescending dumbfuck bitch. I'm sure she knows what a true American is, huh?

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Quite an answer, with no explanation.

welcome

I forgot you were a oneliner.

I have answered it before, and you went on a fanboy temper tantrum.  Yet you have failed to answer what did clinton do with all that money?

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I forgot you were a oneliner.

I have answered it before, and you went on a fanboy temper tantrum.  Yet you have failed to answer what did clinton do with all that money?

I answered that before, use the search.  If you don't notice the difference, don't waste your time searching.

You did?  How he didn't do shit about the border?  Roger that.

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?

yes.....

Quite an answer, with no explanation.

I agree with him, btw...

I can give you a little anecdotal evidence of the cost.

In my business we offer something called bililight phototherapy for hyperbilirubinemia. It's for jaundiced infants.

Over 1/2 of our phototherapy patients are hispanic. It's VERY common in newborn hispanic males (nearly 40% have it), and we are in Texas. It's fairly common in white males also. Less so in females, but still fairly prevalent.

Anyway, the large insurance companies pay us a little over $100 a day for each day a baby is on our service. Medicaid pays us $55/day.

Because I kept on and kept on and kept on seeing little Mexican babies on our service I started tracking it, and fewer than 10% of our babies of Hispanic descent had private insurance, meaning the government was paying for 90% of them to have our service. Nearly 1/2 of those received their Medicaid benefits as children born to non-citizens, but inside the U.S. BAsically we're talking about the children of illegal immigrants getting Texas Medicaid benefits...

That means the delivering doctor was paid with your tax money, the hospital bills were paid with your tax money, and I was paid with your tax money.

That sucks. By the way, I'm going to sit in the 5th row at the RUSH concert tomorrow with all the money, so keep up the illegal immigration.

many members hate express their hate toward other people but the real problem here it's your own government that does not apply their own laws.
also the real problem are the employers that are willing to hire this people and save on taxes and wages. I propose that those of you that have such hate for BROWN people boycott the companies that hire Latinos or Mexicans as you guys call anyone that's not white and see if you make an impact on the economy.

David.P wrote:

In the mean time watch this

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