Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6844|North Carolina

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


If you get rid of aliens, you'll need to raise the minimum wage big time, then Americans will take those jobs.  Now, tell me that won't produce inflation, even paying debts.  More money will be in the street, the higher the demand the higher the prices.
Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result.  It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.

We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.
Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.
True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7213|North Hollywood

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

he usually is.
You should probably watch the clip.

Secure the Border!  Build a 50 foot wall that they can climb over or under!  Don't address or acknowledge the fundamental reasons immigrants come here,

It gets old.
He makes a good point. Building bigger walls isnt the solution. Its finding a way for the people not to flee the damn country. But then that would require a huge shift in the way things are done...and I dont see it happening.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Some inflation would occur, but it's worth the border security we'd have as a result.  It also would allow us to preserve our public amenities.

We'll never be able to socialize medicine in America if illegals continue to use our medical services without paying for them.
Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.
True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.
Don't misunderstand me.  I'm against illegal aliens, if you wanna be there bring your papers with you.  I'm saying that you can't remove all of them in one day.  You need to stop illegal immigration first.  Then see what you can do with all the aliens there.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-08-10 17:33:41)

golgoj4
Member
+51|7213|North Hollywood

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration.  It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.

The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind.  NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.
Clinton wasn't exactly on the ball either...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6844|North Carolina

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Totally agreed.  But don't forget that comparing what Ceo's make a year is completely irrelevant.  They don't increase the demand of food, and other basics, they increase the demand of luxury goods.  Inflation doesn't change if a Lambo is demanded by two more rich people.  You have inflation when thousands of minimum wagers get an increase in their salaries, and demand more basic goods.
True, but I guess my point is this...  If you continue long enough down the road of unmitigated immigration from poorer nations than your own, wages fall, but the cost of living rarely falls as fast.  If anything, it still rises.

So, basically, we have a situation where we may end up with the standard of living of Mexico if our system becomes overwhelmed by illegals.

Things would be relatively cheap, but that wouldn't matter because wages would be even cheaper.
Don't misunderstand me.  I'm against illegal aliens, if you wanna be there bring your papers with you.  I'm saying that you can't remove all of them in one day.  You need to stop illegal immigration first.  Then see what you can do with all the aliens there.
True...  that's where prosecuting employers comes in...
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

golgoj4 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bush didn't "invent" illegal immigration.  It's only that we've finally begun to notice it nowadays -- mostly because it has skyrocketed over the last few years.

The problem is this negligent "free trade" agenda that throws borders to the wind.  NAFTA and CAFTA are almost as bad as the Patriot Act is.
No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.
Clinton wasn't exactly on the ball either...
But he danced way better than Dubya.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7200

RECONDO67 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


No, of course he didn't invented it, he just looked away and focused on Iraq.
What did Clinton do about it?
you bat lefty all the time for being an independent
Because I truly hated him.  But, besides that hatred, what did he do with all of his economic power?  Where did it go exactly?  Why didn't he fix immigration?  I blame the government since the 80's, not Bush since 2003.  That shit pisses me off.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

RECONDO67 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


What did Clinton do about it?
you bat lefty all the time for being an independent
Because I truly hated him.  But, besides that hatred, what did he do with all of his economic power?  Where did it go exactly?  Why didn't he fix immigration?  I blame the government since the 80's, not Bush since 2003.  That shit pisses me off.
How in hell can you hate the guy?  He was a great president, with failures like any human, but ovewrall he did good things for your country, and you hate him?
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7200

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?
yes.....
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?
yes.....
Quite an answer, with no explanation.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7200

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?
yes.....
Quite an answer, with no explanation.
welcome
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

yes.....
Quite an answer, with no explanation.
welcome
I forgot you were a oneliner.
The_Mac
Member
+96|6664
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to some condescending dumbfuck bitch. I'm sure she knows what a true American is, huh?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

The_Mac wrote:

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to some condescending dumbfuck bitch. I'm sure she knows what a true American is, huh?
You mean the video?  Lol.  It's the Onion dude, it's a joke.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7200

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Quite an answer, with no explanation.
welcome
I forgot you were a oneliner.
I have answered it before, and you went on a fanboy temper tantrum.  Yet you have failed to answer what did clinton do with all that money?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7196|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


welcome
I forgot you were a oneliner.
I have answered it before, and you went on a fanboy temper tantrum.  Yet you have failed to answer what did clinton do with all that money?
I answered that before, use the search.  If you don't notice the difference, don't waste your time searching.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7200

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


I forgot you were a oneliner.
I have answered it before, and you went on a fanboy temper tantrum.  Yet you have failed to answer what did clinton do with all that money?
I answered that before, use the search.  If you don't notice the difference, don't waste your time searching.
You did?  How he didn't do shit about the border?  Roger that.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6968|Global Command

RECONDO67 wrote:

guys the main problem here in the great US is sitting in the white house why do you guys blame the defenseless for your problems?
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2455 … keemm7.jpg
Shot at 2007-08-11
So, what you are saying is, your best argument is no argument or point at all then, isn't it?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6968|Global Command

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

and you hate him?
yes.....
Quite an answer, with no explanation.
I agree with him, btw...
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6957|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

he usually is.
You should probably watch the clip.

Secure the Border!  Build a 50 foot wall that they can climb over or under!  Don't address or acknowledge the fundamental reasons immigrants come here,

It gets old.
i did watch it and it was quite comical; i didn't see any D+ST that hasn't been asked and answered, so i treated the post as if it was one in junk drawer.
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6937|Texas
I can give you a little anecdotal evidence of the cost.

In my business we offer something called bililight phototherapy for hyperbilirubinemia. It's for jaundiced infants.

Over 1/2 of our phototherapy patients are hispanic. It's VERY common in newborn hispanic males (nearly 40% have it), and we are in Texas. It's fairly common in white males also. Less so in females, but still fairly prevalent.

Anyway, the large insurance companies pay us a little over $100 a day for each day a baby is on our service. Medicaid pays us $55/day.

Because I kept on and kept on and kept on seeing little Mexican babies on our service I started tracking it, and fewer than 10% of our babies of Hispanic descent had private insurance, meaning the government was paying for 90% of them to have our service. Nearly 1/2 of those received their Medicaid benefits as children born to non-citizens, but inside the U.S. BAsically we're talking about the children of illegal immigrants getting Texas Medicaid benefits...

That means the delivering doctor was paid with your tax money, the hospital bills were paid with your tax money, and I was paid with your tax money.

That sucks. By the way, I'm going to sit in the 5th row at the RUSH concert tomorrow with all the money, so keep up the illegal immigration.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6968|Global Command

Dersmikner wrote:

I can give you a little anecdotal evidence of the cost.

In my business we offer something called bililight phototherapy for hyperbilirubinemia. It's for jaundiced infants.

Over 1/2 of our phototherapy patients are hispanic. It's VERY common in newborn hispanic males (nearly 40% have it), and we are in Texas. It's fairly common in white males also. Less so in females, but still fairly prevalent.

Anyway, the large insurance companies pay us a little over $100 a day for each day a baby is on our service. Medicaid pays us $55/day.

Because I kept on and kept on and kept on seeing little Mexican babies on our service I started tracking it, and fewer than 10% of our babies of Hispanic descent had private insurance, meaning the government was paying for 90% of them to have our service. Nearly 1/2 of those received their Medicaid benefits as children born to non-citizens, but inside the U.S. BAsically we're talking about the children of illegal immigrants getting Texas Medicaid benefits...

That means the delivering doctor was paid with your tax money, the hospital bills were paid with your tax money, and I was paid with your tax money.

That sucks. By the way, I'm going to sit in the 5th row at the RUSH concert tomorrow with all the money, so keep up the illegal immigration.
I endorse this use of funds ill-gotten or otherwise, have a great concert.
RECONDO67
Member
+60|7075|miami FL
many members hate express their hate toward other people but the real problem here it's your own government that does not apply their own laws.
also the real problem are the employers that are willing to hire this people and save on taxes and wages. I propose that those of you that have such hate for BROWN people boycott the companies that hire Latinos or Mexicans as you guys call anyone that's not white and see if you make an impact on the economy.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7079|Your moms bedroom
by the title of the thread, i thought you had illegal aliens for sale, in rank, by country
bf2gammer
Member
+14|6659

David.P wrote:

In the mean time watch this

roflmao

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