Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6438|Vortex Ring State
I think it is. It expresses nothing
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7000|Southampton, UK

Lolwut?
Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|6995|Kent, UK
That's the 273 seconds of silence, right?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6932|Connecticut

Knightnifer wrote:

Lolwut?
Malloy must go
Ben0
The Last Gunslinger
+38|6813|Southampton

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

Lolwut?
williedyna
Member
+7|7084
My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7000|Southampton, UK

williedyna wrote:

My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.
How fucking retarded.

Last edited by Knightnifer (2007-11-25 07:11:54)

Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6958|Adelaide, South Australia

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.
Ben0
The Last Gunslinger
+38|6813|Southampton
You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7000|Southampton, UK

Knightnifer wrote:

williedyna wrote:

My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.
How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Brown_Cow wrote:

You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...
With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.
Ben0
The Last Gunslinger
+38|6813|Southampton
Why.... did you just quote the whole thread and call it the end of the discussion? lulz
williedyna
Member
+7|7084
you havn't studied art or music history.  What did people use before paints and brushes were invented?  What did people use to sculpt before hammers and chisels?  What the hell is singing then?  Have you ever heard of the dada movement?  And if you are going to complain about Cage, read some, because he composed much worse pieces of music.

How can it be art.. he didn't use a brush to paint the fucking thing.. god why am I responding?.. your argument is retarded.

Talk to someone who knows... or read a book.


Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6438|Vortex Ring State

Knightnifer wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

williedyna wrote:

My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.
How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Brown_Cow wrote:

You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...
With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.
lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7000|Southampton, UK

fermatx wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:


How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Brown_Cow wrote:

You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...
With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.
lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.
Then why ask?
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6438|Vortex Ring State

Knightnifer wrote:

fermatx wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.
With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.
lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.
Then why ask?
I want to know people's opinions.
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7000|Southampton, UK

fermatx wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

fermatx wrote:


lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.
Then why ask?
I want to know people's opinions.
Okely Dokely.
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6784|Twyford, UK
Silence is not music. It's not an 'artistic effect'. It's a freaking lack of music.

And with this cropping up now, I'd say you read Irregular Webcomic.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6438|Vortex Ring State

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Silence is not music. It's not an 'artistic effect'. It's a freaking lack of music.

And with this cropping up now, I'd say you read Irregular Webcomic.
No, I read "Casey & Andy"
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6958|Adelaide, South Australia

fermatx wrote:

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Silence is not music. It's not an 'artistic effect'. It's a freaking lack of music.

And with this cropping up now, I'd say you read Irregular Webcomic.
No, I read "Casey & Andy"
Read Irregular Webcomic anyway, it's awesome

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