BF2S Forums Is John Cage's 4'33" music?

Lolwut?

Knightnifer wrote:

Lolwut?

My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Knightnifer wrote:

williedyna wrote:

My understanding of the piece is that it's audience music.  He was attempting to get the audience to listen to the noises they create .. coughing, folding programs.. etc.  This was done to get the public to realize the effect they have on a live concert.

How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Brown_Cow wrote:

You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...

With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.

you havn't studied art or music history.  What did people use before paints and brushes were invented?  What did people use to sculpt before hammers and chisels?  What the hell is singing then?  Have you ever heard of the dada movement?  And if you are going to complain about Cage, read some, because he composed much worse pieces of music.

How can it be art.. he didn't use a brush to paint the fucking thing.. god why am I responding?.. your argument is retarded.

Talk to someone who knows... or read a book.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

fermatx wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

How fucking retarded.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

No.

By convention, for art/music to exist, it must be made by something. For example, a painter uses paints and brushes to create his art. A sculptor uses hammers and chisels to sculpt his statue. A musician makes music by playing his instrument. If no instrument is used, there is no music.

Therefore, John Cage's 4'33" is not music. It may be considered art, although seeing as nothing happened, I wouldn't think so.

Brown_Cow wrote:

You do bring the tone down don't you....

I think I heard about this. He handed out a load of programs of starving kids in africa or something like that, then didnt play anything. To get ppl to look at what they had. I'd be pissed off, if i'd paid to see this dude, i'd wanna hear some music, not be made to read depressing shit in silence, doesn't sound like much fun...

With this, fermatx, I bid you - GoodDay.

lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.

Then why ask?

fermatx wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

fermatx wrote:

lolwut? Yeah, it's not music.

Then why ask?

I want to know people's opinions.

Okely Dokely.

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Silence is not music. It's not an 'artistic effect'. It's a freaking lack of music.

And with this cropping up now, I'd say you read Irregular Webcomic.

No, I read "Casey & Andy"