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2007-12-04 17:40:20
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6765

Maybe he should just dumb things down for people? Rather then saying he wants to abolish the IRS, CIA, and FBI he should say he wants to streamline them to such a degree that there isn't knots tying up the flow of creditable intelligence and, intelligence all together.

I think he has the right ideas, but he sounds a little to radical during these debates. I think he can be liked by the majority and still be true to his ideas if he just eases back on how he delivers to the general public.

I guess that could imply he would have a hidden agenda though...

Well, at least the guy is completely honest and doesn't seem to be touched by the bloated hand of CORRUPTION.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
2007-12-04 17:41:53
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6905

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Maybe he should just dumb things down for people? Rather then saying he wants to abolish the IRS, CIA, and FBI he should say he wants to streamline them to such a degree that there isn't knots tying up the flow of creditable intelligence and, intelligence all together.

I think he has the right ideas, but he sounds a little to radical during these debates. I think he can be liked by the majority and still be true to his ideas if he just eases back on how he delivers to the general public.

I guess that could imply he would have a hidden agenda though...

Well, at least the guy is completely honest and doesn't seem to be touched by the bloated hand of CORRUPTION.
I agree. Paul's general idea's are good but like every other candidate, the extent he wishes to implement them is too far.
2007-12-04 18:43:02
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7152|US
I think many of his ideas are extreme (which is why they won't pass).  I think he would run headlong into the centrists and statists and only be able to shift things toward libertarianism.  I believe that would be a positive shift.  There is too much opposition to his ideas to execute them, but he could bring things closer to what I want.

I happen to like some of his extremist views (uber pro gun-rights for example).
2007-12-04 19:32:40
David.P
Banned
+649|6711

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Maybe he should just dumb things down for people? Rather then saying he wants to abolish the IRS, CIA, and FBI he should say he wants to streamline them to such a degree that there isn't knots tying up the flow of creditable intelligence and, intelligence all together.

I think he has the right ideas, but he sounds a little to radical during these debates. I think he can be liked by the majority and still be true to his ideas if he just eases back on how he delivers to the general public.

I guess that could imply he would have a hidden agenda though...

Well, at least the guy is completely honest and doesn't seem to be touched by the bloated hand of CORRUPTION.
I agree. Paul's general idea's are good but like every other candidate, the extent he wishes to implement them is too far.
I wish Paul was president instead of bush! We need an old time politician like him who is'nt corrupt nor a corrupter of others. Long story short fuck the IRS, FEDERAL RESERVE, And all other special interests and politicians fucking this country for their own personal gain.
2007-12-04 19:37:16
RandomSchl
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+52|6881|California
Paul may be a bit extreme in some regards, but I think that he is a very good choice because of his good morals. Even presenting these ideas is a step in the right direction. Plus I'm sure that he will actually listen to the people. He hasn't been turned into a scumbag politician.
2007-12-04 22:05:13
CowboySwim
Member
+24|6622|BEHIND YOU!!!
It's a sad day when the only presidential candidate who actually tells the American public the truth and what he really thinks is really the only one who doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell!  Ron Paul may have some extremely extremist ideas, but most of them are ideas the really could help to save America, or at least bring it back up to what it used to be. I cannot say for sure yet, but I'm am close to saying Paul has my vote simply because he doesn't dodge the debate questions. He spits his answers clear as can be and always tells the truth. What more could you want?
2007-12-04 22:09:56
Jibbles
Rifle Expert
+56|7067|Mexifornia, USA
He is not going to win. Democrats don't like him because he's a Republican, and Republican's don't like him because he wants an immediate withdrawal from Iraq (which is accepting defeat, btw).
2007-12-04 22:12:17
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6761|New Haven, CT
But he can't deliver on the promises. That was the point. The promises are so far-fetched they have near zero chance of becoming reality.
2007-12-05 07:33:09
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6635

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

how is he the most qualified?  sell me ron paul.
Look at that video...good stuff there..




For those of you who like him and think that he dont have a chance to win.. please vote for him anyway.. your vote will count.

He raised 4.3Millions dollars on november 5th.

There a lot of people like you out there.. just keep the faith.
2007-12-05 08:36:13
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7201
Wait, aren't you Australlian Chain Saw?  What do you gain out of this? Or maybe not, your name is close enough but nevermind. Voting on faith alone and a supposed straight talking isn't really all that smart.  He will bankrupt the United States while other candidates will chose a more conservative route out of the current quagmire be them right or left week.  Either that or he is straight up lying and will pull a Hugho Chavez, I truely want to believe that some of the things Ron Paul has to say, but then looking at the situtations and the time frame it will not work to the advantage of the United States.  Look past the easy talk and think about what you are being told.
2007-12-05 08:46:17
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081

Ridir wrote:

Look past the easy talk and think about what you are being told.
2007-12-05 09:09:11
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6635

Ridir wrote:

Wait, aren't you Australlian Chain Saw?  What do you gain out of this? Or maybe not, your name is close enough but nevermind. Voting on faith alone and a supposed straight talking isn't really all that smart.  He will bankrupt the United States while other candidates will chose a more conservative route out of the current quagmire be them right or left week.  Either that or he is straight up lying and will pull a Hugho Chavez, I truely want to believe that some of the things Ron Paul has to say, but then looking at the situtations and the time frame it will not work to the advantage of the United States.  Look past the easy talk and think about what you are being told.
True, i'm not american, i'm not even Australian.. I'm Canadian.

I admire Dr. Paul because of his honesty and i hope he will be president of the USA because that guy can change the world just by changing america's foreign policy.

You really think that saving hundreds of billions of dollars by changing foreign policy is a way to bankrupt your country? 

You really think that the other candidates plan to keep your army in Iraq until 2013 (Hillary) or the plan to attack Iran (most republicans) is a more conservative route out of the current quagmire?

You have to realize the financial state your country is in.. I ask you to do some research on Dr Paul and you will find out that hes the only one who speak the truth about the current situation and hes the only one who have a real solution about it.
2007-12-05 09:41:21
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7099|USA

Ridir wrote:

Look past the easy talk and think about what you are being told.
What are the others telling you that make them better?
2007-12-05 10:08:50
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7097|The darkside of Denver
He's got my vote. It almost seems to good to be true.
2007-12-05 15:27:28
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7201

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Ridir wrote:

Wait, aren't you Australlian Chain Saw?  What do you gain out of this? Or maybe not, your name is close enough but nevermind. Voting on faith alone and a supposed straight talking isn't really all that smart.  He will bankrupt the United States while other candidates will chose a more conservative route out of the current quagmire be them right or left week.  Either that or he is straight up lying and will pull a Hugho Chavez, I truely want to believe that some of the things Ron Paul has to say, but then looking at the situtations and the time frame it will not work to the advantage of the United States.  Look past the easy talk and think about what you are being told.
True, i'm not american, i'm not even Australian.. I'm Canadian.

I admire Dr. Paul because of his honesty and i hope he will be president of the USA because that guy can change the world just by changing america's foreign policy.

You really think that saving hundreds of billions of dollars by changing foreign policy is a way to bankrupt your country? 

You really think that the other candidates plan to keep your army in Iraq until 2013 (Hillary) or the plan to attack Iran (most republicans) is a more conservative route out of the current quagmire?

You have to realize the financial state your country is in.. I ask you to do some research on Dr Paul and you will find out that hes the only one who speak the truth about the current situation and hes the only one who have a real solution about it.
Honesty is a great trait, I won't deny that.  But his solution to the problem is what people want to hear, not what is really needed. 

Out of Iraq NOW! This sounds a lot like something else I hear a lot.  Save hundreds of dollars on your car insurance NOW! Just by switching to yada yada yada.   It is an advertisement that is designed to deceive and misdirect the voters' attention.  If you look at a lot of the republicans plans, it isn't to attack Iran, it is to curb Iran's course of action.  If you look at Hillary, and I sure as hell hope she doesn't win anyway, keeping the  military in Iraq and other combat zones until 2013 is a realistic situation that allows for proper planning and time scheduling versus the current fly by the seat of your pants design we have now.

Oh and saving us hundred of billions of dollars by changing the foreign policy, hmm are you an economist?  Do you have more then a simple understanding of the international aspects of trade, strength of currency, etc. etc.?  Because with only a simple understanding you can see right through Ron Paul's lies and misdirection.  Those hundreds of billions that would be saved will be of the same value as billions or at best tens of billions currently.  His foreign policy changes would allow for the rapid withdraw of foreign countries' investments in the United States, the switch from the dollar to the euro for oil trade (something that if it happens too rapidly will cause a depression and bankruptcy in the United States), and the trade deficit gap will widen rapidly with our trading partners.  I've already stated this, read back a couple of pages and you'll see.

What the other candidates have that Ron Paul doesn't is a sense of reality.  Yes Ron Paul has solutions, but they won't work together in the long run. There is no easy button and that is what he says he has.  A mix of Ron Paul, dose of real life, and a time table and you have yourself a decent candidate.  Then again you have to remember that he has to have congressional approval for a lot of his actions.
2007-12-05 17:40:49
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7099|USA
The American Dollar is currently worth .73 cent. Thats reality right now.

In my opinion, I'd rather see Ron Paul take a stab at doing what he wants to do, than watch the rest of the flock talk to us like 3rd graders for 8 more years all while making their buddies rich.

Ron Paul 08.
2007-12-05 17:46:18
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
his voting record makes me want to throw up

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_catego … can_id=296

for all the bullshit he spouts out, he sure votes like a conservative republican.


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Date     Bill Title    Vote
08/04/2007    Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007    NV
08/04/2007    Renewable Energy Standards    NV
08/04/2007    Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007    NV
07/17/2007    Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act    N
05/22/2007    A bill to prevent the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups (NOPEC Act of 2007)    N
01/18/2007    Clean Energy Act of 2007    N
05/18/2006    Outer Continental Shelf for Gas and Oil Amendment    Y
05/18/2006    Outer Continental Shelf Amendment    N
10/07/2005    Gasoline for America's Security Act of 2005    NV
07/28/2005    Energy Policy Act of 2005     N
04/21/2005    Energy Policy Act of 2005    N
04/20/2005    Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Drilling Amendment    N
04/20/2005    Liability Shield Language Amendment    N
06/15/2004    Energy Omnibus bill    N
11/18/2003    Energy Omnibus bill    N
04/11/2003    Energy Omnibus bill    NV
08/02/2001    Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001    N








scary how popular this dude is.

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2007-12-05 17:50:10
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

The American Dollar is currently worth .73 cent. Thats reality right now.

In my opinion, I'd rather see Ron Paul take a stab at doing what he wants to do, than watch the rest of the flock talk to us like 3rd graders for 8 more years all while making their buddies rich.

Terrorists = Bad   I got that. McCain and Rudy won't let you forget it.  Oh did you know Rudy lived through Sept 11th? He singlehandedly sewed fingers back on in the ER.

Romney is the epitomy of a used car salesman.

Huckabee would be ok if he weren't so batshit and Gomer Pyle-ish

Fred Thompson is completely manufactured. If you can't see that, good luck to you in life.

Tancredo.....nevermind. He just reiterates what the other Republicans say. He is a moot voice overall.


Ron Paul 08. The man with ideas. The man with virtues and principles and a record to back it up.
I dont know if his record really backs it up.
2007-12-05 17:52:43
geNius
..!.,
+144|6879|SoCal

CameronPoe wrote:

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.
https://srejects.com/genius/srejects.png
2007-12-05 17:53:21
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
the more I read his record, the more I dislike him.
2007-12-05 17:54:31
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081

geNius wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.
Ive gotta say, the system is working in this case.  Keep the dingbats out. 

hes got what is considered a poor attendance record as well.

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2007-12-05 18:21:23
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7099|USA

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

geNius wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.
Ive gotta say, the system is working in this case.  Keep the dingbats out. 

hes got what is considered a poor attendance record as well.
His consistent voting record now disqualifies him for president. LOL at attendance record.

I understand he can be considered a crazy. You think about it, the ideas he is talking about change things alot of us on these forums have known to be our whole lives. The IRS and Federal Reserve have been there our whole lives. This man thinks he knows a way to gradually eliminate the IRS through tax cuts. If he thinks he can accomplish that, Im for it. Its better to hear a man with ideas than a man without a brain.
2007-12-05 18:35:37
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

The American Dollar is currently worth .73 cent. Thats reality right now.
Actually, the reality right now is that the American dollar is still worth 100 cents.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2007-12-05 18:42:47
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7099|USA

FEOS wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

The American Dollar is currently worth .73 cent. Thats reality right now.
Actually, the reality right now is that the American dollar is still worth 100 cents.
True. Now in fake land lets tack on the trillion(s) dollar deficit to your dollar. How much is it worth?

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2007-12-05 18:43:02)

2007-12-05 18:46:04
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7201
Ok, well the only person you didn't really slam there was McCain so I want to hear your negative remarks for him too.  And no, I don't like a lot of the candidates but I would rather be stable then in a depression.

Alright, so once again where is the money going to come from to:
1. reduce and eventually eliminate the national debt
2. Fund the government, government subsidies, and the military (or are we just going to throw them all away?)

1. With the quick withdraw from Iraq and the quick destabilization of the region (Turkey, Iran, Iraqi Civil War, etc) and the United States reliance on foreign oil what do you think the consequences will be?  Do you think that we will still have the ability to important massive amounts of oil from a region that more than likely will take a quick and decisive turn against the United States?
2.  Alternative Energy.  Looking at his voting record do you believe that there will be a push towards alternative energy and less use of oil in the United States?  Do you see a foreseeable future with a viable and product economy that hasn't been stopped dead in its tracks?
Oil is used for more then petrol or gas, it is refined and used for nearly everything that we as Americans take for granted.  Plastics, computers, manufacturing of nearly all of the common products.  With the inability to make our own products we then rely on foreign imports.  Our dollar decreases drastically in value and we are sending more and more of them (dollars) out of the country.

Do I need to continue?

 

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