HollisHurlbut
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The subject of amending the Constitution came up in the gun control case thread, and I was wondering what the forums thought should be changed in the U.S. Constitution.

Here's my list, in no particular order:
1. Modification of citizenship requirements for presidency.  A simple change, but a significant one.  I would alter the requirement that eligibility for the office of President is denied by an accident of birth.  Currently, if an individual is not born an American citizen, he is ineleigible to be president.  I believe we are sufficiently removed from the threat of British reconquest to tiptoe into the waters of the possibility of maybe having a non-native American president.  The age required to be president is currently 35.  I think that is a sufficient requirement for term of citizenship also.

2. Amendment concerning acquisition of territory.  There is no vehicle at the moment in the Constitution regarding how the United States can expand if the opportunity arises.  The only possible justification is the method for signing and ratifying treaties, but that's only an implied authority.  I would add an amendment that states new territory can be acquired by treaty, land gained in the course of congressionally declared war, or by claiming previously unclaimed land.  Not only would this fix an oversight by the framers, it would also provide a constitutional basis for NASA.

3. Clarification of the Commerce Clause.  As it stands, the clause granting Congress the authority to regulate commerce between the states is the basis for almost all laws passed by Congress and regulations enacted by various agencies.  Supreme Court precedent holds that the federal government can regulate anything that merely travels between the states and even something that doesn't involve interstate activity at all can be regulated, relying on the possibility that it may affect commerce that could be interstate in nature.  Anyone who took the time to understand the founding principles of this nation would know the federal government's powers were supposed to be few and defined.  Compare that idea to the leviathan we have in Washington today, where one is hard-pressed to identify any activity that is not touched upon in some aspect by federal laws and/or regulations.  This amendment would clarify the original intent of the Commerce Clause, which was to regulate ("make regular")commerce between the states and restrict them from enacting barriers to trade between them.

4. Designation of treaties as subordinate to the Constitution.  Currently, treaties ratified by the Senate carry as much weight as the Constitution itself, yet they are not subject to the same controls as constitutional amendments.  A simple majority of the Senate can, with the cooperation of the President, enter into a treaty that removes rights guaranteed by the Constitution.  An amendment, on the other hand, must pass the Senate and the House, and the also be ratified by three-fourths of the several states in order to be carried into force.  This imbalance in protections against unwanted changes from within is a threat to our freedoms.  It should be fixed.

Those are the changes I could think of off the top of my head.  I might have more, but I can't think of any at the moment.

Any comments on my suggestions?  Any suggestions of your own?
unnamednewbie13
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I'd add a right to non-interference with possessions and private property that is transfered person to person via inheritance. As it is now, people just get around death tax anyway, by selling expensive stuff to inheritees for sums up to one dollar.
DesertFox-
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The Commerce Clause has been tinkered with in several Supreme Court cases already. Off the top of my, Gibbons v. Ogden interpreted to mean virtually all trade. Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States defined it as when a meaningful amount of goods....something I can't remember and I believe the last facet was people...cross state lines. United States v. Lopez is another Commerce Clause clarification, holding that the school involved was not interstate commerce.
There are several theories about the language in the Constitution and what it means. Right now, it seems the Court is most responsible for determining what the meaning is for legal use.

I'd still keep the US-born person for POTUS though. It's just some traditional thing that a lot of countries have that you have a natural born person of that particular country eligible to lead it. I don't think anyone is worried about those Brits taking it over anymore.
HollisHurlbut
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DesertFox- wrote:

The Commerce Clause has been tinkered with in several Supreme Court cases already.
And the extent to which they have expanded federal authority is frightening.  Congress must be reigned in.

There are several theories about the language in the Constitution and what it means. Right now, it seems the Court is most responsible for determining what the meaning is for legal use.
I think we're all well aware of that.  However, when the courts run amok, it's our prerogative to whip their asses back into line.  And we do that by amending the document they are obliged to apply to their cases.

I'd still keep the US-born person for POTUS though. It's just some traditional thing that a lot of countries have that you have a natural born person of that particular country eligible to lead it. I don't think anyone is worried about those Brits taking it over anymore.
I know, that's why I think we can dump the provision.  Besides, 35 years is a helluva long time to foment a conspiracy to topple the government by getting elected to the highest office in the land.
CameronPoe
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Put in a clause stipulating that only one country be occupied by the US at any one time.
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deeznutz1245
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CameronPoe wrote:

Put in a clause stipulating that only one country be occupied by the US at any one time.
Starting with Ireland
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GunSlinger OIF II
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a clearly defined right to privacy. as it is is, there is no guarantee to privacy in the constitution, just implied rights by several amendments.
CameronPoe
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Put in a clause stipulating that only one country be occupied by the US at any one time.
Starting with Ireland
They can start by ramming this massive 400 kV overhead powerline I'm planning at work up through 130km of pristine rural Ireland. Fucking NIMBYs.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-12-06 15:45:50)

deeznutz1245
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CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Put in a clause stipulating that only one country be occupied by the US at any one time.
Starting with Ireland
They can start by ramming this massive 400 kV overhead powerline I'm planning at work up through 130km of pristine rural Ireland. Fucking NIMBYs.
Not quite sure what that is, but it sounds dangerous. We should attack now.
Malloy must go
PureFodder
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


Starting with Ireland
They can start by ramming this massive 400 kV overhead powerline I'm planning at work up through 130km of pristine rural Ireland. Fucking NIMBYs.
Not quite sure what that is, but it sounds dangerous. We should attack now.
Not In My Back Yard, I think.
DesertFox-
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

a clearly defined right to privacy. as it is is, there is no guarantee to privacy in the constitution, just implied rights by several amendments.
Which court case are you referring to with the creation of this implied right to privacy?





















That's right....Griswold v. Connecticut
FEOS
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Those are all great ideas, Hollis. My personal favorite is #4...no country should allow any external law/agreement to trump its own Constitution.
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Turquoise
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HollisHurlbut wrote:

The subject of amending the Constitution came up in the gun control case thread, and I was wondering what the forums thought should be changed in the U.S. Constitution.

Here's my list, in no particular order:
1. Modification of citizenship requirements for presidency.  A simple change, but a significant one.  I would alter the requirement that eligibility for the office of President is denied by an accident of birth.  Currently, if an individual is not born an American citizen, he is ineleigible to be president.  I believe we are sufficiently removed from the threat of British reconquest to tiptoe into the waters of the possibility of maybe having a non-native American president.  The age required to be president is currently 35.  I think that is a sufficient requirement for term of citizenship also.

2. Amendment concerning acquisition of territory.  There is no vehicle at the moment in the Constitution regarding how the United States can expand if the opportunity arises.  The only possible justification is the method for signing and ratifying treaties, but that's only an implied authority.  I would add an amendment that states new territory can be acquired by treaty, land gained in the course of congressionally declared war, or by claiming previously unclaimed land.  Not only would this fix an oversight by the framers, it would also provide a constitutional basis for NASA.

3. Clarification of the Commerce Clause.  As it stands, the clause granting Congress the authority to regulate commerce between the states is the basis for almost all laws passed by Congress and regulations enacted by various agencies.  Supreme Court precedent holds that the federal government can regulate anything that merely travels between the states and even something that doesn't involve interstate activity at all can be regulated, relying on the possibility that it may affect commerce that could be interstate in nature.  Anyone who took the time to understand the founding principles of this nation would know the federal government's powers were supposed to be few and defined.  Compare that idea to the leviathan we have in Washington today, where one is hard-pressed to identify any activity that is not touched upon in some aspect by federal laws and/or regulations.  This amendment would clarify the original intent of the Commerce Clause, which was to regulate ("make regular")commerce between the states and restrict them from enacting barriers to trade between them.

4. Designation of treaties as subordinate to the Constitution.  Currently, treaties ratified by the Senate carry as much weight as the Constitution itself, yet they are not subject to the same controls as constitutional amendments.  A simple majority of the Senate can, with the cooperation of the President, enter into a treaty that removes rights guaranteed by the Constitution.  An amendment, on the other hand, must pass the Senate and the House, and the also be ratified by three-fourths of the several states in order to be carried into force.  This imbalance in protections against unwanted changes from within is a threat to our freedoms.  It should be fixed.

Those are the changes I could think of off the top of my head.  I might have more, but I can't think of any at the moment.

Any comments on my suggestions?  Any suggestions of your own?
You've got my vote on all of those.
Kmar
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stryyker
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Presidential hopefuls cannot and will not accept monetary support for their campaigns. They must pay out of their own pocket.

A President that does not follow his campaign guidelines is subject to trial and removal, if necessary

War requires approval of Congress, the President, and a majority vote of 51% of the general public, except in an invasion

Vice President no longer President of Senate

Powers of Congress tweaked slightly

President has no power to fill vacancies in his cabinet or senate
DesertFox-
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Kmarion wrote:

Shorter.
I read an interesting article today that concerns problems with the government and what you're suggesting is one of them. Shorter terms would make the presidency more like a position in the House of Representatives. The House is pretty much a perpetual campaign that doesn't really allow the members to take a definate stance on issues for fear of losing support and not getting reelected (watch the presidential debates how the candidates are vague). Congresspeople spend extravagant amounts to get elected even though they already get free name recognition in the press and their franking privileges that allow them to blanket their constituents. And since soft money is allowed to be limited by the Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2002, they have to get small contributions from a lot of people. Over the two years of the term, they have to raise usually a couple million dollars, which averages out to several thousand dollars a day. Congresspeople have harder jobs than most people think, and are also more honest than the reputation as a politician suggests.

stryyker wrote:

Presidential hopefuls cannot and will not accept monetary support for their campaigns. They must pay out of their own pocket.
I suppose you could implement that if you want, although then the office of president will seem even more elitist.

stryyker wrote:

A President that does not follow his campaign guidelines is subject to trial and removal, if necessary
Sounds like a parliamentary system, which is one of the advantages a parliament has over a presidential system.

stryyker wrote:

War requires approval of Congress, the President, and a majority vote of 51% of the general public, except in an invasion
Getting 51% of those registered in the public to vote is hard enough, so that option seems farfetched. Otherwise, the Prez usually asks Congress to declare war as that's the power of the legislative branch alone as described in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

stryyker wrote:

Vice President no longer President of Senate
The VP is rarely even at the Senate anymore except to break ties. I believe it was John Adams or Thomas Jefferson who developed a rift between the Senate and VP, so the President Pro Tempore of the Senate is usually the leader in that respect.

stryyker wrote:

Powers of Congress tweaked slightly
Well, all I can say is that you can alter those powers...

stryyker wrote:

President has no power to fill vacancies in his cabinet or senate.
Dude, the president gets a whole shyteload of jobs he gets to appoint people to and that is summed up in a publication called the Plum Book. The Senate gets to review and approve or reject his nominees. I understand why you think he shouldn't be able to fill vacancies in the Senate but it's his Cabinet comprised of his appointees. It seems unfair that everyone else gets to be appointed except those who occupy a vacated position.
GunSlinger OIF II
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stryyker wrote:

Presidential hopefuls cannot and will not accept monetary support for their campaigns. They must pay out of their own pocket.

A President that does not follow his campaign guidelines is subject to trial and removal, if necessary

War requires approval of Congress, the President, and a majority vote of 51% of the general public, except in an invasion

Vice President no longer President of Senate

Powers of Congress tweaked slightly

President has no power to fill vacancies in his cabinet or senate
turning the president into a figurehead and nothing more.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-12-06 21:00:01)

FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

2. Amendment concerning acquisition of territory.
So the US can declare war on whever they like and take their land?
Not at all:

HollisHurlburt wrote:

I would add an amendment that states new territory can be acquired by treaty, land gained in the course of congressionally declared war, or by claiming previously unclaimed land.  Not only would this fix an oversight by the framers, it would also provide a constitutional basis for NASA.
What you've pointed out, Dilbert, is only one of three possible cases, with the other two being much more likely. Since the last congressionally-declared war was WW2, this wouldn't apply to your pet peeve of Iraq.
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HollisHurlbut
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Whatever is more or less likely of the three, it has been framed here by HollisHurlburt to say the US can invade wherever they like and seize it for their own.
Welcome to warfare.  Over the whole history of civilization, conquered peoples generally lose their land.  We could have kept and/or partitioned with other Allies all of Japan, Germany, and Italy after the second World War.  That's the way war usually goes.  Really, there's nothing saying we couldn't do it now so I don't know what your beef is.  All I want to do is codify it in the Constitution.  If we include a mechanism for expansion without including it, courts could conclude it is unconstitutional to do it.

Bottom line is this: nothing's really changing, we'd just be writing it down.
RAIMIUS
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I'd probably reword it to limit the interstate-commerce clause.  It has become the government's excuse to control whatever they want (provided it isn't specifically restricted somewhere else).

I might also expand the Bill of rights to make rights clearer (and very broad).

The presidential birth restriction would be changed to a time-in-citizenship restriction.

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