FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

If you're talking about kicking Palestinians out of their homes, bulldozing them, and building Israeli settlements on top of them, then yes. It's completely unfair.

However, that is but one single facet of a very complex situation, with unfairness piled high on both sides. I certainly don't agree with your percentage...my guess would be closer to 80/20 on both sides.
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― Albert Einstein

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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7069|949

As stated before, the blame belongs to many different players as far as this particular situation.  I don't think anyone with half a brain really would want to live like those depicted in the youtube videos, or agrees with what the Israeli government is doing in controlling the occupied areas.  The fact that the international community constantly condemns and refuses to recognize the occupation as legitimate is pretty indicative of this.

It is not and should not simply be a Palestinian vs. Israeli argument.  Most Arab nations in the region refuse to take responsibility for their actions in the region over the last 60 years.  If more support for a two-state solution was brought from the countries in the region, perhaps peace would be a lot more conceivable.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

FEOS wrote:

If you're talking about kicking Palestinians out of their homes, bulldozing them, and building Israeli settlements on top of them, then yes. It's completely unfair.

However, that is but one single facet of a very complex situation, with unfairness piled high on both sides. I certainly don't agree with your percentage...my guess would be closer to 80/20 on both sides.
Well, 20% of terrorists is a bit too much.  Anyway, the 80% of innocent people would be paying for the actions of the minority.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

As stated before, the blame belongs to many different players as far as this particular situation.  I don't think anyone with half a brain really would want to live like those depicted in the youtube videos, or agrees with what the Israeli government is doing in controlling the occupied areas.  The fact that the international community constantly condemns and refuses to recognize the occupation as legitimate is pretty indicative of this.

It is not and should not simply be a Palestinian vs. Israeli argument.  Most Arab nations in the region refuse to take responsibility for their actions in the region over the last 60 years.  If more support for a two-state solution was brought from the countries in the region, perhaps peace would be a lot more conceivable.
I don't agree with the part of the International community constantly condemning Israel.  You know why?  Because it doesn't matter if you pass a resolution against Israel, but you get the US veto.  Things continue the same.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7069|949

sergeriver wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

As stated before, the blame belongs to many different players as far as this particular situation.  I don't think anyone with half a brain really would want to live like those depicted in the youtube videos, or agrees with what the Israeli government is doing in controlling the occupied areas.  The fact that the international community constantly condemns and refuses to recognize the occupation as legitimate is pretty indicative of this.

It is not and should not simply be a Palestinian vs. Israeli argument.  Most Arab nations in the region refuse to take responsibility for their actions in the region over the last 60 years.  If more support for a two-state solution was brought from the countries in the region, perhaps peace would be a lot more conceivable.
I don't agree with the part of the International community constantly condemning Israel.  You know why?  Because it doesn't matter if you pass a resolution against Israel, but you get the US veto.  Things continue the same.
Bro, even the U.S. doesn't recognize the occupied areas as legitimate claims.  In fact, the U.S. has probably done more to broker a peace deal between Palestine and Israel than any other country outside the Middle East.  Granted, we seem to have more of an interest in the region, but where are other major world powers?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

but where are other major world powers?
QFE
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

As stated before, the blame belongs to many different players as far as this particular situation.  I don't think anyone with half a brain really would want to live like those depicted in the youtube videos, or agrees with what the Israeli government is doing in controlling the occupied areas.  The fact that the international community constantly condemns and refuses to recognize the occupation as legitimate is pretty indicative of this.

It is not and should not simply be a Palestinian vs. Israeli argument.  Most Arab nations in the region refuse to take responsibility for their actions in the region over the last 60 years.  If more support for a two-state solution was brought from the countries in the region, perhaps peace would be a lot more conceivable.
I don't agree with the part of the International community constantly condemning Israel.  You know why?  Because it doesn't matter if you pass a resolution against Israel, but you get the US veto.  Things continue the same.
Bro, even the U.S. doesn't recognize the occupied areas as legitimate claims.  In fact, the U.S. has probably done more to broker a peace deal between Palestine and Israel than any other country outside the Middle East.  Granted, we seem to have more of an interest in the region, but where are other major world powers?
The other members of the Security Council don't use the veto to save Israel from the UN resolutions.  There they are I guess.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

I think what he's getting at is that you see a lot of examples of the US working directly with the parties involved on trying to negotiate some type of peace...but very little (if any) examples of GCC or EU (or any other non-US entity) doing the same. Yet the ones screaming so hard for peace in the region are those very groups doing almost nothing about it...other than complaining, of course.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

FEOS wrote:

I think what he's getting at is that you see a lot of examples of the US working directly with the parties involved on trying to negotiate some type of peace...but very little (if any) examples of GCC or EU (or any other non-US entity) doing the same. Yet the ones screaming so hard for peace in the region are those very groups doing almost nothing about it...other than complaining, of course.
I agree.  In fact Clinton was closer than anyone else to achieve peace.  My point is the US doesn't help to achieve peace in the ME using its veto to save Israel.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

But on the other hand, it is actively engaging the parties involved to try to work out a peace agreement. You can't focus on one and overlook the other.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

FEOS wrote:

But on the other hand, it is actively engaging the parties involved to try to work out a peace agreement. You can't focus on one and overlook the other.
You are right.  The US plays a good role trying to get the parties together to negotiate.  I think Clinton deserved to be the one to achieve peace in ME.  But the radicals, in this case Zionists, didn't let him unfortunately.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7203|UK
I have to say Ender is right. We arent advanced enough as society to not still have things on a strong over the weak basis.

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