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She is muslimKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
but making ill-formed generalizations about an entire religion is ignorant in my opinion.
i'll second thatusmarine2005 wrote:
I agree 100000% with her.
Duly Noted.usmarine2005 wrote:
She is muslimKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
but making ill-formed generalizations about an entire religion is ignorant in my opinion.
Because you are a condescending elitistKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I am amazed at how you are continuously able to pound out one single sentence in response to any post.
Thanks, bud. I like you too!usmarine2005 wrote:
Because you are a condescending elitistKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I am amazed at how you are continuously able to pound out one single sentence in response to any post.
Al Sharpton isKmarion wrote:
Jesse Jackson is not the emperor of Black people.
Well I got four things open that I am working on. This site is like a quick little break every so often. I spout off a few words then back to work. I don't give a rats fuck what any of you think about it either.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Thanks, bud. I like you too!usmarine2005 wrote:
Because you are a condescending elitistKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I am amazed at how you are continuously able to pound out one single sentence in response to any post.
Sorry. Didn't realize it was a repeat. Kind of hard to search on video...Flecco wrote:
This has done the rounds here tbh.
As with the one with Teddybear issue.blademaster wrote:
she has a good point but too bad the extremist Muslims wont listen to her:They'll be like "A woman speaking! kill the infidel!
I agree with everything she is saying. But us westerners shouldn't use that idea, take it to the next step, and invade other countries because they're oppresive. Every people has to evolve culturally enough, we can't make them do it on their own. 200 years from now Islam will likely look back upon today and be ashamed, much like the Germans and Japanese today looking back on World War 2.Turquoise wrote:
While I agree that there are plenty of Western friendly Muslims, there are plenty of non-Western friendly governments. As long as we ally ourselves with oppressive governments (Muslim or otherwise), we are setting a very bad example for the world.
By the same token, we should always voice our resistance to the way that women and gays are treated by much of the Islamic world. Through criticism, their cultures may eventually evolve.
Don't worry about it. I was about ready to drag it up again tbh. The woman should be heard.FEOS wrote:
Sorry. Didn't realize it was a repeat. Kind of hard to search on video...Flecco wrote:
This has done the rounds here tbh.
Well, you might realize she is rather well versed in Qua'ran scripture considering she is a former Muslim woman. But then again, I'm sure you know a lot more than she does, right?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I just searched for about 10 minutes for my response to the original post of this video here but couldn't find it.
Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory wouldn't be the proper way I would describe Islam's relationship with the Western World. Plenty of people are Muslim and wholly embrace Western values and ideology. There are plenty of advanced Muslim societies as well. Clearly she has a bone to pick with Islam, but making ill-formed generalizations about an entire religion is ignorant in my opinion.
She is a secular Muslim, not a former Muslim. I never said I knew more about the Qu'ran than her, simply that her sociological generalizations are ill-formed. Then again, I doubt you even watched the video longer than to hear her say that Islam is barbaric and backwards.The_Mac wrote:
Well, you might realize she is rather well versed in Qua'ran scripture considering she is a former Muslim woman. But then again, I'm sure you know a lot more than she does, right?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I just searched for about 10 minutes for my response to the original post of this video here but couldn't find it.
Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory wouldn't be the proper way I would describe Islam's relationship with the Western World. Plenty of people are Muslim and wholly embrace Western values and ideology. There are plenty of advanced Muslim societies as well. Clearly she has a bone to pick with Islam, but making ill-formed generalizations about an entire religion is ignorant in my opinion.
I have no idea. I don't agree with her belief that these practitioners of Islam are trying to convert people through the sword to Islam. I do not see the extremist movement as a movement to convert the world into an Islamic state, at least not the more generic, popular ones. I see it as more of a class struggle, or social problem. Wafa even seems to contradict herself by stating that "it is not a war of religion" then saying that the turning point was when "the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe." OBL may have created this current conflict with the bombing of embassies and the USS Cole and 9/11, but the American concern with certain regions of the globe and its tactics in securing its interests around the globe is what is causing this "clash of civilizations" - which like I said would be more properly referred to as a "clash of social classes". Al-Qaeda was set up as a social movement from the start, not necessarily a "global jihad against the infidel movement". The fact that they have resorted to what we consider less civilized tactics doesn't necessarily mean that the cause is invalid.FEOS wrote:
KJ, I believe she was addressing the extremist views of the other guest, and not making generalizations of Islam. Rather, she was commenting on the other guests' particular vision of Islam, which is mired in the 7th century. At least, that's what I got out of it. Why would she make sweeping generalizations about Islam at large, when she is proof against those very generalizations?
Agreed. I'm only interventionist when it involves stabilizing a country without a functioning government, or when it involves defending a nation being attacked.Spearhead wrote:
I agree with everything she is saying. But us westerners shouldn't use that idea, take it to the next step, and invade other countries because they're oppresive. Every people has to evolve culturally enough, we can't make them do it on their own. 200 years from now Islam will likely look back upon today and be ashamed, much like the Germans and Japanese today looking back on World War 2.Turquoise wrote:
While I agree that there are plenty of Western friendly Muslims, there are plenty of non-Western friendly governments. As long as we ally ourselves with oppressive governments (Muslim or otherwise), we are setting a very bad example for the world.
By the same token, we should always voice our resistance to the way that women and gays are treated by much of the Islamic world. Through criticism, their cultures may eventually evolve.
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