BF2S Forums Iran tests newly developed ballistic missile

FEOS wrote:

Just curious...what "crazy war rhetoric" has been bandied about? All the pressure on Iran has been diplomatic. Much of it coming from Europe.

Neither the Americans nor the Iranians want a war anytime soon, It's Ahmadinejad saying idiotic things on TV, and then our leaders jump all over him.  Iran cannot afford to power itself solely with fossil fuels, and needs nuclear power to stay competitive in the world market.  Why Ahmadimanidiotjad won't just come out and say it, I'll never know. i think hes just trying to win over the hardcore religious leaders, since he has failed at winning over the general public.

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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

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you dont, just sit tight and somebody will be at your door eventually.

lol, The draft card came in the mail on my 18th birthday, they don't waste any time do they?

So many retarded posts in this thread. Uuuuyyyyy.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

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Can u show me how to drive a Bradley?

I say we should temporarily shut down Iran's uranium enrichment program, Ahmoudinejad is too dangerous to be allowed such technology, especially after operating in secrecy a few times from the IAEA and wanting to blast Israel off the earth. We should only consider granting them this the moment they have a reasonable government with no loudmouthed idiot like Ahmoudinejad, also I do not approve of religiously led countries which treat women like we still live in the middle ages.

dayarath wrote:

I say we should temporarily shut down Iran's uranium enrichment program, Ahmoudinejad is too dangerous to be allowed such technology, especially after operating in secrecy a few times from the IAEA and wanting to blast Israel off the earth. We should only consider granting them this the moment they have a reasonable government with no loudmouthed idiot like Ahmoudinejad, also I do not approve of religiously led countries which treat women like we still live in the middle ages.

Do you honestly think they'll stop developing nuclear technology just because we tell them to?  We might be able to force them to stop enriching uranium openly, but they're sure to continue in secrecy.

There really is no surefire way of ending this program unless we overthrow Iran's government, but that would be a horrible move.

Turquoise wrote:

dayarath wrote:

I say we should temporarily shut down Iran's uranium enrichment program, Ahmoudinejad is too dangerous to be allowed such technology, especially after operating in secrecy a few times from the IAEA and wanting to blast Israel off the earth. We should only consider granting them this the moment they have a reasonable government with no loudmouthed idiot like Ahmoudinejad, also I do not approve of religiously led countries which treat women like we still live in the middle ages.

Do you honestly think they'll stop developing nuclear technology just because we tell them to?  We might be able to force them to stop enriching uranium openly, but they're sure to continue in secrecy.

There really is no surefire way of ending this program unless we overthrow Iran's government, but that would be a horrible move.

well if we put on enough pressure and routinely investigations by IAEA / UN they shouldn't be able to, neither could anyone else help them because that would destroy their reputation in the IAEA. If we could get full room via hard sanctions and control their uranium in/output for the time being all should go well, you don't just develop a nuclear weapon in secrecy as an open state, the soviet times are over.

I think the name of the party that dude belongs to is pretty funny.  The association of combatant clerics or something like that.

GS do Bradleys use the same/similar gunning controls to Strykers?

The_Mac wrote:

We're not talking about economics, we're talking about Nukes getting in the hands of oppressive leaders. I reiterate: The United States and the West don't want to nuke the world and spread their religion as a theocracy everywhere, can you comprehend that? Or are just brainwashed to rewrite things as they suit you?

Ahmadinejad is a tool.  Nothing more, nothing less.  He is a mouthpiece for the ultraconservatives in his country, but the Ayatollah would never allow him to act out some of his crazy rhetoric.  The easiest way for me to explain this is that the Ayatollah is a very clever businessman that wields Islam as a weapon with which to manipulate the more religious members of his society.  He's not actually interested in spreading Islam so much as he is interested in lessening our influence in the Middle East as well as our ability to interfere with his affairs.

The_Mac wrote:

Clearly you've never studied history, all politicians play waiting games, saying things but not wanting to become too aggressive til the time is right.  I'm sure you've heard Adolf Hitler; he was able to manipulate the West's fear of fighting, a fear not unlike the type you have exhibited , as well as purporting racist ideas. Then he struck. This nut is waiting for the time to strike while rallying his people around racist and nationalist ideas.

Speaking of being manipulated by fear, you seem rather paranoid yourself.  Do you honestly believe what this administration tells you about Iran?  Do you honestly trust the same government that got us in this mess that Iraq has become?  Something you need to realize is that Bush and Ahmadinejad are two sides of the same coin.  They both use fear and patriotism to rally their people toward aggressive ideas.  You've been thoroughly brainwashed by the neocon ideal if you actually buy into the government's agenda against Iran.

The_Mac wrote:

That's a load of shit. Saudi Arabia doesn't plan on nuking the West or taking over the world. I don't quite follow what you mean by "playing ball by our rules" are you just being ambiguous to sound intelligent?

Saudi Arabia has been a business partner of ours for quite some time.  They've profitted immensely from our influence in the Middle East, and with that money, they've invested heavily in our economy.  As a result, they wield a lot more power over our government than any other country in the region, with the exception of Israel.  By the same token, we helped keep the Saudis in power despite domestic turmoil among their people over whether or not the Saudi family really properly represents the interests of their people.  If the Saudis were not so friendly to our business interests (and if they didn't invest so much in us), then we'd likely have aided the rise of another aristocracy there, similar to how we undermined Mossadegh in Iran.

The_Mac wrote:

If you mean, "trying to get nukes" then yes, I would say they're not playing by the rules, especially with Ahmadinejad as "president."

I reiterate:
West: Does not want to take over teh world and nuke everybody.
Iran&Palestine etc.: Does.

Should Iran be given the capacity to have missiles? No. It's that simple, this concession is akin to conceding Adolf  Hitler Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia.

My point ousted Mr. "I have a degree in International Politics" when he seemed to suggest that "modern architecture" determines a cultural outlook.

For someone who likes to point out the negative aspects of a paranoid delusional fascist, you have many similarities to this man.  You seem to have a relentless fear of a nation that has been antagonized and demonized by our government for years.  I don't like Iran anymore than you do, but it is utterly foolish to believe that people like the Iranians or the Palestinians want to take over the world.  Many Palestinians may want to destroy Israel, but they really don't give a fuck about us.   Iran may hate Israel, but they're not stupid enough to attack them.

I'll reiterate a point of my own here: Iran wants nukes to prevent us or Israel from invading them.  This is a defensive move, not an offensive one.