(T)eflon(S)hadow
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Russian general says missiles could target US shield report
Agence France-Presse  Dec 18 2007


Moscow: Russia's nuclear weapons chief threatened Monday to target a planned US missile defence shield in central Europe if Washington fails to take into account Moscow's worries, the Interfax news agency reported.

General Nikolai Solovtsov, head of strategic missile forces, said that such a decision could be taken if the US shield is seen to "undermine the Russian nuclear deterrent capability."

In that case, "I do not exclude... the missile defence shield sites in Poland and the Czech Republic being chosen as targets for some of our intercontinental ballistic missiles," Solovtsov said, according to Interfax.

Washington says the plans to install radar in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor rockets in Poland would guard against theoretical missile strikes from "rogue" nations such as Iran, without denting Russia's massive nuclear offensive arsenal.

But Moscow claims the United States is exaggerating the threat from Iran and describes the shield as the thin end of a wedge aimed at changing the current balance of military power.

On Saturday, the Russian chief of staff, General Yury Baluyevsky, warned that the launch of US interceptor missiles could accidentally trigger a Russian retaliatory strike.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk denounced the comments as "unacceptable" and said that "no declaration of this kind will influence Polish-American negotiations."

Solovtsov, speaking hours after state television showed images of a ballistic missile being test fired from a submerged submarine at a target on the other side of Russia, said the United States was untrustworthy.

"If the Americans signed a treaty with us that they would only deploy 10 anti-missile rockets in Poland and one radar in the Czech Republic and will never put anything else there, then we could deal with this," he said.

"However they won't sign, they just tell us verbally, 'We won't threaten you'."

"They already cheated Russia once," he said, referring to NATO expansion into former Soviet-dominated territory after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. "Verbally they already told us that when we re-unite Germany there won't be one NATO soldier there. Now where are they?"

East-West relations are increasingly strained as Russia and NATO countries argue over how to ensure security in the post-Cold War landscape.

Russia froze compliance last week with the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty, which imposes strict limits on deployment of troops around the country.

The Foreign Ministry offered reassurance that Russia had "no current plans to accumulate massive armaments on our neighbours' borders."

However the decision was criticized by NATO, the United States and other Western powers.

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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well, there goes that vacation Ive been planning.
CameronPoe
Member
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Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
GunSlinger OIF II
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+1,860|7079

CameronPoe wrote:

Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
bread lines?  worked in the cold war.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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This guy seems to be very much set into the old Soviet ways, my god its the Sum of All Fears!
CameronPoe
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
bread lines?  worked in the cold war.
Tougher. They have an open market economy now.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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Putin could now become Prime Minister indefinetly with the recent changes in the constitution, correct?
CameronPoe
Member
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Putin could now become Prime Minister indefinetly with the recent changes in the constitution, correct?
I'm not so sure, it's still a stop gap measure. He's transferring powers from the presidency to the role of prime minister but I'm not sure if he can be re-elected indefinitely.
PZmohax01
Banned
+13|6413|St.Petersburg, Russia

CameronPoe wrote:

Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
LOL, thanks for the info, I really didn't know=) Maybe we must stop watching news that feeds us with lies?
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7265|Grapevine, TX

PZmohax01 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
LOL, thanks for the info, I really didn't know=) Maybe we must stop watching news that feeds us with lies?
Umm I dont know if you are being sincere or sarcastic, man. Although I wish I could be deaf and blind to current events, I must search for the truth. So what did you mean about the lies, here?
PZmohax01
Banned
+13|6413|St.Petersburg, Russia

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

PZmohax01 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Russia is just talking tough. The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour and this display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that. Having said that, who's gonna stop them? No-one, that's who.
LOL, thanks for the info, I really didn't know=) Maybe we must stop watching news that feeds us with lies?
Umm I dont know if you are being sincere or sarcastic, man. Although I wish I could be deaf and blind to current events, I must search for the truth. So what did you mean about the lies, here?
Sorry if i was unclear.
"The country is plagued at the moment by a government-driven nationalistic fervour" I mean I live in this country, and trying to be unbiassed, I'm afraid that the quoted statement is not true. I suppose it was the news formula.

"display of 'pride' is just a manifestation of that."
I actually don't think Russia needs a display of pride. But I may not be right here, well, having any foreign army forces near you is not very pleasant.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6435|...
Russia doesn't need to display it's pride at all. If there's one thing I know for sure it's that, I don't think they're trying to look tough at all, but I haven't got any idea what made them go this way suddenly being hostile. I suppose it has to do with the stress over iran & the north pole.
inane little opines
PZmohax01
Banned
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dayarath wrote:

Russia doesn't need to display it's pride at all. If there's one thing I know for sure it's that, I don't think they're trying to look tough at all, but I haven't got any idea what made them go this way suddenly being hostile. I suppose it has to do with the stress over iran & the north pole.
Iran problem is highly possible, yes. Hostile? Well NATO is trying to cover too much territory and we don't like it. Its OK I think The USA was against our missles in Cuba, wasn't it?
PZmohax01
Banned
+13|6413|St.Petersburg, Russia

CameronPoe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Putin could now become Prime Minister indefinetly with the recent changes in the constitution, correct?
I'm not so sure, it's still a stop gap measure. He's transferring powers from the presidency to the role of prime minister but I'm not sure if he can be re-elected indefinitely.
It doesn't matter, I'm sure (maybe I even hope) the future president will continue Putin's politics. At least it works for us.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6435|...
Well it certainly does tense the situations up, last couple of months I've seen an increased defensive position of the russian military especially vs the US, scrambling of jets over our waters as if they were testing the reaction time of european jets, and claiming the pole under circumstances that do not make sense at all.

I don't like where it is going and if it tenses up too much we might aswell get to hear a cold war II *sigh*

Might I commend you on your english, not many russians type / understand it as well, atleast for as far as I got to meet / talk to them.
inane little opines
Commie Killer
Member
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Well, I would rather be stationed in Europe then the Mid East when I join.....
PZmohax01
Banned
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dayarath wrote:

Well it certainly does tense the situations up, last couple of months I've seen an increased defensive position of the russian military especially vs the US, scrambling of jets over our waters as if they were testing the reaction time of european jets, and claiming the pole under circumstances that do not make sense at all.

I don't like where it is going and if it tenses up too much we might aswell get to hear a cold war II *sigh*

Might I commend you on your english, not many russians type / understand it as well, atleast for as far as I got to meet / talk to them.
I didn't understand the situation with jets too but on the other hand it can be reasonable. Some tension might be required just for balance, that is the way countries tickle themselves. I only hope that it won't grow into something else.

P.s. Touching my English I do my best as I study it as my primary subject at the Uni (Ich sprehe etwas Deutch noch) I hope it's not as terrible as my teacher says. Well I definitely have to master American and British variants, formal/informal language and tons of special lexis...the exams are drawing near 0_o

P.p.s. I'm afraid that information about AK-47/AK-74 in the "real world statistics" is not correct. Is it possible to amend anything?

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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PZmohax01 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Putin could now become Prime Minister indefinetly with the recent changes in the constitution, correct?
I'm not so sure, it's still a stop gap measure. He's transferring powers from the presidency to the role of prime minister but I'm not sure if he can be re-elected indefinitely.
It doesn't matter, I'm sure (maybe I even hope) the future president will continue Putin's politics. At least it works for us.
I bet youre a stalin fan.
Longbow
Member
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I bet youre a stalin fan.
You consider 150 million of russians "stalin fans" ? Putin is doing fine.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7079

Longbow wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I bet youre a stalin fan.
You consider 150 million of russians "stalin fans" ? Putin is doing fine.
who needs freedom these days anyways.

https://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/11/LitvinenkoPA_228x294.jpg

I wouldnt doubt you Russian guys would even know what this picture is about.  What with Russia's world renowned freedom of the press.   Yeah Putin is A.O.K.  thumbs up number 10 GI.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-12-18 16:51:32)

specops10-4
Member
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PZmohax01 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Russia doesn't need to display it's pride at all. If there's one thing I know for sure it's that, I don't think they're trying to look tough at all, but I haven't got any idea what made them go this way suddenly being hostile. I suppose it has to do with the stress over iran & the north pole.
Iran problem is highly possible, yes. Hostile? Well NATO is trying to cover too much territory and we don't like it. Its OK I think The USA was against our missles in Cuba, wasn't it?
I'm sorry but putting nuclear missiles into the hands of some not so reliable people is not the same as putting a few ANTI missile systems around you.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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and they say Bush is bringing us back in time.
BVC
Member
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George Bush?  Didn't he liberate Kuwait from the Iraqis in 1991?
LT.Victim
Member
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Pubic wrote:

George Bush?  Didn't he liberate Kuwait from the Iraqis in 1991?
That was the other one...
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7215|Great Brown North

PZmohax01 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Russia doesn't need to display it's pride at all. If there's one thing I know for sure it's that, I don't think they're trying to look tough at all, but I haven't got any idea what made them go this way suddenly being hostile. I suppose it has to do with the stress over iran & the north pole.
Iran problem is highly possible, yes. Hostile? Well NATO is trying to cover too much territory and we don't like it. Its OK I think The USA was against our missles in Cuba, wasn't it?
the missiles in cuba were offensive

the missiles they want to place are defensive

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