The zoo should have prevented that a tiger or other wild animal could scape and they should have been prepaired for that with darts.Bertster7 wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it is standard policy in these instances to destroy animals that have killed someone. Whether or not it is the tigers fault is beside the point.sergeriver wrote:
I agree the zoo response time wasn't good enough, then the cops had no choice but shoot the tiger. I disagree a tiger must be put to sleep just because it killed a person. It's a wild animal, it's not its fault at all.Bertster7 wrote:
Response times are the issue here. The tiger would've been destroyed after being tranqed anyway (standard policy), so it really makes no difference.
It is obviously the zoos fault for not keeping the tiger properly confined, but the cops should be commended for their swift action which ensured there was no additional loss of life.
Poll
Was It the right thing to Do?
| Yes | 64% | 64% - 86 | ||||
| No | 35% | 35% - 48 | ||||
| Total: 134 | ||||||
There's a rampaging Tiger on the loose and people are dead.
Wait for a net!
Rolls eyes.
Wait for a net!
Rolls eyes.
You are wrong. You can't tame a tiger. You can think it's tamed, but it always be a wild animal. The tiger is not to blame.Defiance wrote:
This is where I think you take pity in the animal too much. No, it's not a wild animal. It's coarsely domesticated and fed multiple times a day, why it decided to attack (out of hunger or innate violence?) I couldn't say.sergeriver wrote:
It's a wild animal, it's not its fault at all.
Secondly, where does the blame lie? The tiger raised it's paw, opened it's jaw and violence ensued. There is a clear difference between a tame tiger and a violent tiger. What happened at the zoo was a case of the latter, as well as a year ago.
There's a scared and confused tiger on the loose killing people.ATG wrote:
There's a rampaging Tiger on the loose and people are dead.
Wait for a net!
Rolls eyes.
Wait for the zoo to be prepaired for these situations.
Rolls eyes.
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You're right. The vet didn't deserve Chritmas night off, he should be at work 24/7 in case an animal needs to be tranquilized.sergeriver wrote:
The zoo should have trained veterinarians with darts. Why did the police shoot the tiger? It was the zoo who should have caught the tiger. I'm very pissed off at the zoo. They're supposed to protect wildlife not to kill tigers.Defiance wrote:
It was police that shot the animal. I don't think tranq darts are carried around the clock by SFPD, and a tiger that had attacked a keeper, 2 visitors and killed another was advancing on to them.
They had no other choice. No doubt they would have rather kept the animal alive, but after all that's happened the tiger would have likely been put down anyways.
There were no other options to the Police who responded.
^^^^^ A tiger will ALWAYS be a Tiger, just ask Zigfried & Roy!sergeriver wrote:
You are wrong. You can't tame a tiger. You can think it's tamed, but it always be a wild animal. The tiger is not to blame.Defiance wrote:
This is where I think you take pity in the animal too much. No, it's not a wild animal. It's coarsely domesticated and fed multiple times a day, why it decided to attack (out of hunger or innate violence?) I couldn't say.sergeriver wrote:
It's a wild animal, it's not its fault at all.
Secondly, where does the blame lie? The tiger raised it's paw, opened it's jaw and violence ensued. There is a clear difference between a tame tiger and a violent tiger. What happened at the zoo was a case of the latter, as well as a year ago.
Last edited by T.Pike (2007-12-26 06:05:21)
The SF zoo should have a 24/7 vet.T.Pike wrote:
You're right. The vet didn't deserve Chritmas night off, he should be at work 24/7 in case an animal needs to be tranquilized.sergeriver wrote:
The zoo should have trained veterinarians with darts. Why did the police shoot the tiger? It was the zoo who should have caught the tiger. I'm very pissed off at the zoo. They're supposed to protect wildlife not to kill tigers.Defiance wrote:
It was police that shot the animal. I don't think tranq darts are carried around the clock by SFPD, and a tiger that had attacked a keeper, 2 visitors and killed another was advancing on to them.
They had no other choice. No doubt they would have rather kept the animal alive, but after all that's happened the tiger would have likely been put down anyways.
There were no other options to the Police who responded.
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I'm sure they do. Zoos tend to be quite big. In the time it takes a vet to get from one side of the zoo to the other, how many people do you think a tiger could kill?sergeriver wrote:
The SF zoo should have a 24/7 vet.T.Pike wrote:
You're right. The vet didn't deserve Chritmas night off, he should be at work 24/7 in case an animal needs to be tranquilized.sergeriver wrote:
The zoo should have trained veterinarians with darts. Why did the police shoot the tiger? It was the zoo who should have caught the tiger. I'm very pissed off at the zoo. They're supposed to protect wildlife not to kill tigers.
There were no other options to the Police who responded.
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You don't need a vet to use a tranquilliser gun anyway.
But all of that would be pointless - BECAUSE ANY ANIMAL THAT KILLS SOMEONE GETS KILLED. That happens for a reason.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-12-26 06:09:22)
Are you kidding me? That would be the animal equivilant of a Level 1 Trauma Center for Humans available 24/7.sergeriver wrote:
The SF zoo should have a 24/7 vet.
If you live in the US you're lucky to live with 1 hour of such a facility. The costs would be prohibitive.
I'm gonna check with the Philadelphia Zoo. I know they have a well respected program.
Last edited by T.Pike (2007-12-26 06:09:32)
I always thought they had rifles close by if something like this would happen, so that the trained staff could take the dangerous animal out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CHJqMta9YEsergeriver wrote:
You are wrong. You can't tame a tiger. You can think it's tamed, but it always be a wild animal. The tiger is not to blame.Defiance wrote:
This is where I think you take pity in the animal too much. No, it's not a wild animal. It's coarsely domesticated and fed multiple times a day, why it decided to attack (out of hunger or innate violence?) I couldn't say.sergeriver wrote:
It's a wild animal, it's not its fault at all.
Secondly, where does the blame lie? The tiger raised it's paw, opened it's jaw and violence ensued. There is a clear difference between a tame tiger and a violent tiger. What happened at the zoo was a case of the latter, as well as a year ago.
Appears to be quite tame, enjoying the fresh air and a bit playful. Reminds me of trying to get to sleep with my cat in the same bed.
I ask again, who is to blame? Who or what explicitly caused the Tiger to attack? Nothing other then the Tiger itself could have done that, no effort by humans can "break" some animals minds to behave as we wish. I have some problems with that myself, but don't try and desperately shift the blame to something other then the animal that killed 1 and attacked 3.
You have a valid point though, Tigers have natural instincts and can never be entirely tamed. Then again, that's like trying to say something is perfect. Humans cant be tamed, neither can any animal. However, if a animal can't be tamed and it poses a threat to people when it's supposed to be in a zoo, visited by thousands a day then damn, looks like it's time to get a different tiger.
It's an endangered species, I don't care if it killed a guy. I'm sorry, but you can't blame a fucking tiger. A tiger isn't a rational being. And I don't care about the policies if an animal kills someone.Bertster7 wrote:
I'm sure they do. Zoos tend to be quite big. In the time it takes a vet to get from one side of the zoo to the other, how many people do you think a tiger could kill?sergeriver wrote:
The SF zoo should have a 24/7 vet.T.Pike wrote:
You're right. The vet didn't deserve Chritmas night off, he should be at work 24/7 in case an animal needs to be tranquilized.
There were no other options to the Police who responded.
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You don't need a vet to use a tranquilliser gun anyway.
But all of that would be pointless - BECAUSE ANY ANIMAL THAT KILLS SOMEONE GETS KILLED. That happens for a reason.
That wouldn't happen in the UK, at our zoos we have trained staff on standby whenever an animal is baing moved, plus our cages actually work.
"Oh noez sum1 killt a tigr!"
FFS, theres a tiger on the loose thats already killed two people. Do you send your partner back to the car to look for darts or do you just shoot it?
I mean honestly. Yes the zoo failed to keep darts/use darts. Whatever. Oh no thats very bad.
But the police did the right thing without a question. Without a question
Haven't you got something better to worry about serge?
But don't say that an injustice has been done because the cops shot a deadly rampaging animal.
FFS, theres a tiger on the loose thats already killed two people. Do you send your partner back to the car to look for darts or do you just shoot it?
I mean honestly. Yes the zoo failed to keep darts/use darts. Whatever. Oh no thats very bad.
But the police did the right thing without a question. Without a question
Haven't you got something better to worry about serge?
Have you got your head screwed on straight mate? A rampaging animal thats already killed two people is on the loose. Yes, lets all lament that the zoo should have had tranqs on hand (obviously).sergeriver wrote:
It's an endangered species, I don't care if it killed a guy. I'm sorry, but you can't blame a fucking tiger. A tiger isn't a rational being. And I don't care about the policies if an animal kills someone.
But don't say that an injustice has been done because the cops shot a deadly rampaging animal.
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For the sake of discussion, could you elaborate on "rational being?"sergeriver wrote:
It's an endangered species, I don't care if it killed a guy. I'm sorry, but you can't blame a fucking tiger. A tiger isn't a rational being. And I don't care about the policies if an animal kills someone.
Read thy thread good sire!SharkyMcshark wrote:
"Oh noez sum1 killt a tigr!"
FFS, theres a tiger on the loose thats already killed two people. Do you send your partner back to the car to look for darts or do you just shoot it?
I mean honestly. Yes the zoo failed to keep darts/use darts. Whatever. Oh no thats very bad.
But the police did the right thing without a question. Without a question
Haven't you got something better to worry about serge?
Old english aside, (if I understand him correctly,) serge is against the zoo not taking care of the situation. The police did their job, that's all well and good, but the zoo should be prepared for an outbreak and they weren't [as far as we know].
Last edited by Defiance (2007-12-26 06:36:48)
Serge, buddy.
You are seeking very hard for hairs to split lately.
You are seeking very hard for hairs to split lately.
Read my posts pal, I don't blame the cops, but the zoo.SharkyMcshark wrote:
"Oh noez sum1 killt a tigr!"
FFS, theres a tiger on the loose thats already killed two people. Do you send your partner back to the car to look for darts or do you just shoot it?
I mean honestly. Yes the zoo failed to keep darts/use darts. Whatever. Oh no thats very bad.
But the police did the right thing without a question. Without a question
Haven't you got something better to worry about serge?Have you got your head screwed on straight mate? A rampaging animal thats already killed two people is on the loose. Yes, lets all lament that the zoo should have had tranqs on hand (obviously).sergeriver wrote:
It's an endangered species, I don't care if it killed a guy. I'm sorry, but you can't blame a fucking tiger. A tiger isn't a rational being. And I don't care about the policies if an animal kills someone.
But don't say that an injustice has been done because the cops shot a deadly rampaging animal.
Not really. Maybe you guys don't feel this sadness when an innocent animal is shot but I do.ATG wrote:
Serge, buddy.
You are seeking very hard for hairs to split lately.
I would bet money that the tiger espcaped due to an unlocked door in her enclosure, when a tiger escapes, people should know why - It was most likely the incompetence of the Zoo staff that led to this appalling killing of the tiger and man.
Personally I'm against Zoo's on the whole, wild animals should not be captured and shipped thousands of miles for the enjoyment of kids, it most likely fucks them up in the head - I hope no one is suprised that a tiger in a zoo killed someone, its a freaking wild tiger for god's sake, you can stick it in a zoo and feed it at regulated times but you can't take away it's animal instinct.
Personally I'm against Zoo's on the whole, wild animals should not be captured and shipped thousands of miles for the enjoyment of kids, it most likely fucks them up in the head - I hope no one is suprised that a tiger in a zoo killed someone, its a freaking wild tiger for god's sake, you can stick it in a zoo and feed it at regulated times but you can't take away it's animal instinct.
Last edited by Simon (2007-12-26 07:01:33)
If you don't keep the animals in line, then they all will think they have chance to revolt.
Last edited by jsnipy (2007-12-26 07:03:30)
I heard it jumped across an 18ft moat and scaled a fence. It didn't just wander out.Simon wrote:
I would bet money that the tiger espcaped due to an unlocked door in her enclosure, when a tiger escapes, people should know why - It was most likely the incompetence of the Zoo staff that led to this appalling killing of the tiger and man.
Personally I'm against Zoo's on the whole, wild animals should not be captured and shipped thousands of miles for the enjoyment of kids, it most likely fucks them up in the head - I hope no one is suprised that a tiger in a zoo killed someone, its a freaking wild tiger for god's sake, you can stick it in a zoo and feed it at regulated times but you can't take away it's animal instinct.
My mistake then, I don't know much about tigers and what they are capable of. Where did you hear that from?Bertster7 wrote:
I heard it jumped across an 18ft moat and scaled a fence. It didn't just wander out.Simon wrote:
I would bet money that the tiger espcaped due to an unlocked door in her enclosure, when a tiger escapes, people should know why - It was most likely the incompetence of the Zoo staff that led to this appalling killing of the tiger and man.
Personally I'm against Zoo's on the whole, wild animals should not be captured and shipped thousands of miles for the enjoyment of kids, it most likely fucks them up in the head - I hope no one is suprised that a tiger in a zoo killed someone, its a freaking wild tiger for god's sake, you can stick it in a zoo and feed it at regulated times but you can't take away it's animal instinct.
Last edited by Simon (2007-12-26 07:25:48)
Didn't read more than the 1st page
I saw this on CNN, the tiger had a history. A year ago it took the arm of a trainer during an exhibition for reasons not quite known. And now it killed a man, seriously injured 2 more. It was either the tiger's life or the policemen's lives... I love animals but I value human life over a tiger. Best course of action would've been to tranquilize it and send it back to the jungle or whatever, from the sounds of it the tiger wasn't the safest of animals.
I saw this on CNN, the tiger had a history. A year ago it took the arm of a trainer during an exhibition for reasons not quite known. And now it killed a man, seriously injured 2 more. It was either the tiger's life or the policemen's lives... I love animals but I value human life over a tiger. Best course of action would've been to tranquilize it and send it back to the jungle or whatever, from the sounds of it the tiger wasn't the safest of animals.
But your poll questions whether shooting the tiger was the right thing to do, not who to blame for the whole scenario in the first place.sergeriver wrote:
No, I don't blame the police. I blame the damn SF zoo for letting her scape, and for not having the guards with darts at the scene when needed. They are to blame.
Backpedaling, AHOY!
It's the Tiger's fault - for being born a Tigersergeriver wrote:
Read my posts pal, I don't blame the cops, but the zoo.SharkyMcshark wrote:
"Oh noez sum1 killt a tigr!"
FFS, theres a tiger on the loose thats already killed two people. Do you send your partner back to the car to look for darts or do you just shoot it?
I mean honestly. Yes the zoo failed to keep darts/use darts. Whatever. Oh no thats very bad.
But the police did the right thing without a question. Without a question
Haven't you got something better to worry about serge?Have you got your head screwed on straight mate? A rampaging animal thats already killed two people is on the loose. Yes, lets all lament that the zoo should have had tranqs on hand (obviously).sergeriver wrote:
It's an endangered species, I don't care if it killed a guy. I'm sorry, but you can't blame a fucking tiger. A tiger isn't a rational being. And I don't care about the policies if an animal kills someone.
But don't say that an injustice has been done because the cops shot a deadly rampaging animal.
If as a society we choose to keep wild animals on display stuff is gonna happen.
The Police were just doing their job protecting the community.
The tiger was just doing it's job - being a tiger.
The tiger doesn't KNOW he's just an article for display.
He thinks he's a bad mo'fo tiger in some jungle.
He went down like a tiger; if there's a tiger heaven he has 72 virgins coming to him.
EDIT :L MSNBC is reporting he jumped a moat then scaled a fence/wall.
Last edited by T.Pike (2007-12-26 08:01:06)
that's terrible