Don't worry we can always send in the SAS to use the abort codes in the nick of time
To be honest - she was a bit fucking stupid for prancing around so publicly - not only did she put herself in danger but she also put her supporters in danger. She should have taken the fucking wakeup call when her homecoming bus was bombed a few months ago. Sheer stupidity. Not only did Musharraf's men want her dead but so did the Islamic extremists - security should be your numero uno top priority.
PS Before you begin the eulogies please bear in mind that she was a self interested criminal, wanted in Switzerland for money laundering.
PS Before you begin the eulogies please bear in mind that she was a self interested criminal, wanted in Switzerland for money laundering.
What a bunch of cunts.
Bhutto was a great leader. I've been a big supporter of hers for a long time, since I saw her speak whilst she was in exile in London.
She'll be sorely missed.
Bhutto was a great leader. I've been a big supporter of hers for a long time, since I saw her speak whilst she was in exile in London.
She'll be sorely missed.
Pakistan is so FUBAR.
Nice source Chief.TheDarkRaven wrote:
Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … 6FBCBC.htm
I couldn't understand why she went back.
Talk about martyrdom, she knew this was inevitable.
Too soon to point any fingers but I sure hope the "fundamentalists" are responsible.
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She was also the only person that could pretty much get pakistan back to a relatively peacefull country, atleast giving back some order there. Now instead she got killed meaning pakistan lost the only person that could probably end all the shit happening over there, gg. Always easy to say things afterwards.CameronPoe wrote:
To be honest - she was a bit fucking stupid for prancing around so publicly - not only did she put herself in danger but she also put her supporters in danger. She should have taken the fucking wakeup call when her homecoming bus was bombed a few months ago. Sheer stupidity. Not only did Musharraf's men want her dead but so did the Islamic extremists - security should be your numero uno top priority.
PS Before you begin the eulogies please bear in mind that she was a self interested criminal, wanted in Switzerland for money laundering.
inane little opines
I just keep going back to wiping out the whole Muslim faith. I know it sounds idiotic, narrow-minded, unenlightened and uninformed, but it's not questionable that most all the bullshit violence and terrorism occurring on planet Earth are somehow related to the whole "Muslims spreading their culture" thing.
Southeast Asia is chock full of Islamo-facism, sub-Saharan Africa has its fair share of it, it hit the U.S., and everyone knows about the Middle East.
The problem is that the good solid honest everyday Muslim is indistinguishable from the lunatic, and I'm not talking about the way they look. I'm talking about the fact that the loony is all for blowing us all up so he can snuggle up to virgins in Casa Allah, and the guy who might not be for doing it himself is certainly not so against it that he does anything to stop it. That's called complicity and it's simply a sin of omission as opposed to a sin of commission. If my neighbor were plotting to blow up a bunch of Hindus I'd call the cops on his ass and if they couldn't stop it my Springfield Armory XD45 would. I'm just of the opinion that given half a chance the average Muslim would vote to end Christian and Jewish life on the planet, so I'm for getting them before they get any more of us.
Sucks, but the truth is that the world would be a better, safer place without the whole Muslim thing. Of course I could say the same about other groups and some world rulers, but the most pressing eradication has to be the whole Saudi Arabia/Sharia/Iran/Muslim thing.
Southeast Asia is chock full of Islamo-facism, sub-Saharan Africa has its fair share of it, it hit the U.S., and everyone knows about the Middle East.
The problem is that the good solid honest everyday Muslim is indistinguishable from the lunatic, and I'm not talking about the way they look. I'm talking about the fact that the loony is all for blowing us all up so he can snuggle up to virgins in Casa Allah, and the guy who might not be for doing it himself is certainly not so against it that he does anything to stop it. That's called complicity and it's simply a sin of omission as opposed to a sin of commission. If my neighbor were plotting to blow up a bunch of Hindus I'd call the cops on his ass and if they couldn't stop it my Springfield Armory XD45 would. I'm just of the opinion that given half a chance the average Muslim would vote to end Christian and Jewish life on the planet, so I'm for getting them before they get any more of us.
Sucks, but the truth is that the world would be a better, safer place without the whole Muslim thing. Of course I could say the same about other groups and some world rulers, but the most pressing eradication has to be the whole Saudi Arabia/Sharia/Iran/Muslim thing.
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What the bloody hell have you got against al-Jazeera? They're extremely reliable and often have information long before and western newsgroups have anything up.T.Pike wrote:
Nice source Chief.TheDarkRaven wrote:
Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … 6FBCBC.htm
You're right there. Perhaps Americans should be wiped out for assassinating JFK and Martin Luther King eh?Dersmikner wrote:
I know it sounds idiotic, narrow-minded, unenlightened and uninformed
Those were isolated incidents as opposed to a culture of intolerance. But, you're right insomuch as that I think radical intolerance has to be stopped by military force, and when the MLK thing went down you saw American troops occupying American cities. During the Civil Rights movement we had the National Guard in Selma, Alabama, knocking heads with the racists.
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence. Let's also not forget that the guy who killed Bhutto also took out another few dozen people and wounded about 50 more. This wasn't one loon with a high powered rifle, this guy was the tip of the Muslim spear. It happens every single day over there, over not just religion, but the DETAILS of the religion.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence. Let's also not forget that the guy who killed Bhutto also took out another few dozen people and wounded about 50 more. This wasn't one loon with a high powered rifle, this guy was the tip of the Muslim spear. It happens every single day over there, over not just religion, but the DETAILS of the religion.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
You know trying to crush ideas by force invariably fails?Dersmikner wrote:
I think radical intolerance has to be stopped by military force
I guess pretty well everyone wanted Bhutto dead, Musharaf, Al Qaeda, any fundamentalist who couldn't take a woman in power.
Plus she was thoroughly corrupt and self-interested, she never gave a crap if anyone around her got hurt.
She was pretty dumb going back to Pakistan in the current situation
Fuck Israel
Crushing ideas with force has worked from the time of the Huns, through the U.S. Civil War, right up to today. If it didn't the American Indian would still hunt buffalo on the plains.
How can you even suggest wiping out the whole muslim faith?
The idea of a republic?
What ideas are we referring to?Dersmikner wrote:
Crushing ideas with force has worked....through the U.S. Civil War
The idea of a republic?
You know, I look at it like this: A community in _____ state in _____ country is infected with a terrible virus. Terrible. It's so virulent that it spreads wildly, and is always fatal. Estimates vary, but it's known that between 15 and 50% of the people are infected. The problem is that you can't tell when someone is infected until their fucking head explodes, infecting everyone near them and killing dozens of innocent people. It's the worst disease in human history. Blows The Plague, AIDS, CCHF and Ebola out of the water.
So what are your options?
1. Hope to work on cure and try to make sure it doesn't spread too badly. Of course, you're risking the entire population of the world like that.
2. Quarantine the town and hope nobody gets out. Again, if ANYONE gets out, how can you be sure they aren't infected, and how do you know they won't spread the shit to your neck of the woods? Remember, there's no good test for telling if someone has it before it's too late to keep innocent people from dying.
3. Nuke the fucking place and pray for forgiveness, realizing that you're taking out innocent lives but saving the rest of the world in the process.
I say drop the nuke. It's the best of a bunch of bad alternatives.
So what are your options?
1. Hope to work on cure and try to make sure it doesn't spread too badly. Of course, you're risking the entire population of the world like that.
2. Quarantine the town and hope nobody gets out. Again, if ANYONE gets out, how can you be sure they aren't infected, and how do you know they won't spread the shit to your neck of the woods? Remember, there's no good test for telling if someone has it before it's too late to keep innocent people from dying.
3. Nuke the fucking place and pray for forgiveness, realizing that you're taking out innocent lives but saving the rest of the world in the process.
I say drop the nuke. It's the best of a bunch of bad alternatives.
You do realise that the violent crime rate in Pakistan is way lower than that in the US.Dersmikner wrote:
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
This was not a religiously motivated killing. This was a POLITICALLY motivated killing. The same shit goes on in African nations, Latin American nations and Asian nations that have not developed politically at the same pace as the west (it even happens in the west - the attempt on Reagan being of note). Pinning this on Islam is retarded given that Muslims themselves were killed and Muslims were supporters of Bhutto. You guys will equate anything back to Islam, it's quite scary. It's called political violence. It's nothing new.Dersmikner wrote:
Those were isolated incidents as opposed to a culture of intolerance. But, you're right insomuch as that I think radical intolerance has to be stopped by military force, and when the MLK thing went down you saw American troops occupying American cities. During the Civil Rights movement we had the National Guard in Selma, Alabama, knocking heads with the racists.
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence. Let's also not forget that the guy who killed Bhutto also took out another few dozen people and wounded about 50 more. This wasn't one loon with a high powered rifle, this guy was the tip of the Muslim spear. It happens every single day over there, over not just religion, but the DETAILS of the religion.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
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Yeah that was really fair on the indians...Dersmikner wrote:
Crushing ideas with force has worked from the time of the Huns, through the U.S. Civil War, right up to today. If it didn't the American Indian would still hunt buffalo on the plains.
You're thinking of killing people through genocide, not ideas.Dersmikner wrote:
Crushing ideas with force has worked from the time of the Huns, through the U.S. Civil War, right up to today. If it didn't the American Indian would still hunt buffalo on the plains.
There is a big difference between a virus and a viewpoint, people can change their minds - something I wouldn't expect a Texan to understamd.
But according to your logic anyone who believes YOU are infected with a virus - eg radical capitalism - has equal right to exterminate you and your kind? Have fun!
Fuck Israel
I vehemently disagree with Dersmikner on many things, but he does have a good point.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah that was really fair on the indians...Dersmikner wrote:
Crushing ideas with force has worked from the time of the Huns, through the U.S. Civil War, right up to today. If it didn't the American Indian would still hunt buffalo on the plains.
To put it more bluntly, I'd rather be the guy behind the machinegun rather than in front of it.
Um.... what about the areas controlled by extremists?... I seriously doubt the reporting of crime is anywhere near as reliable in Pakistan as it is in America.Bertster7 wrote:
You do realise that the violent crime rate in Pakistan is way lower than that in the US.Dersmikner wrote:
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
Yeah it's probably about 0.5%. We still do not know whether this was the work of Musharraf's henchmen btw. Bit quick to jump on the 'Allah Ackbar' bandwagon.rdx-fx wrote:
When they're saying Allah Ackbar before blowing themselves up, and claiming religious martyrdom for their acts.. yeah.. I'll call it Islam.
It's not 100% of Islam doing such things, but it's not 0% either.
Excellent Mr. Poe, very well put, my thoughts exactly. +1 karma for you.CameronPoe wrote:
To be honest - she was a bit fucking stupid for prancing around so publicly - not only did she put herself in danger but she also put her supporters in danger. She should have taken the fucking wakeup call when her homecoming bus was bombed a few months ago. Sheer stupidity. Not only did Musharraf's men want her dead but so did the Islamic extremists - security should be your numero uno top priority.
PS Before you begin the eulogies please bear in mind that she was a self interested criminal, wanted in Switzerland for money laundering.
Ever been to Pakistan?Turquoise wrote:
Um.... what about the areas controlled by extremists?... I seriously doubt the reporting of crime is anywhere near as reliable in Pakistan as it is in America.Bertster7 wrote:
You do realise that the violent crime rate in Pakistan is way lower than that in the US.Dersmikner wrote:
Let's not equate one lunatic shooting a President with a pervasive culture of violence.
The more I think about it, the less water is carried by your analogy.
Know anyone who's moved to Pakistan?
Everything I've ever heard from people moving there from either the US or UK is that crime in Pakistan is virtually non-existent.
Although of course you are right about the rate of crime being reported.
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Points taken, but I'm just saying that, if Pakistan has less violent crime than America, then it is an anomaly of that part of the world. For example, Afghanistan's violent crime is rather high.Bertster7 wrote:
Ever been to Pakistan?Turquoise wrote:
Um.... what about the areas controlled by extremists?... I seriously doubt the reporting of crime is anywhere near as reliable in Pakistan as it is in America.Bertster7 wrote:
You do realise that the violent crime rate in Pakistan is way lower than that in the US.
Know anyone who's moved to Pakistan?
Everything I've ever heard from people moving there from either the US or UK is that crime in Pakistan is virtually non-existent.
Although of course you are right about the rate of crime being reported.
Well, maybe I'm just being a wishy washy liberal here, but blase advocation of genocide seems like pretty much the most ignorant, inhuman and abhorrent solution you could come up with. It's also quite probably the stupidest, least likely to be remotely effective idea I've ever heard.Turquoise wrote:
I vehemently disagree with Dersmikner on many things, but he does have a good point.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah that was really fair on the indians...Dersmikner wrote:
Crushing ideas with force has worked from the time of the Huns, through the U.S. Civil War, right up to today. If it didn't the American Indian would still hunt buffalo on the plains.
To put it more bluntly, I'd rather be the guy behind the machinegun rather than in front of it.
What is the threat posed by Islamic extremism? Terrorism, obviously.
Is it not absurdly obvious that even if you were to utterly wipe Islam from the face of the Earth (impossible through military force, even with death camps to round up the Muslims) the (almost certain), associated political backlash, cost and new (most likely more dangerous) waves of terrorism by those who opposed the move, would be far more damaging than Islamic extremism itself.