BF2S Forums What's right RIGHT and what's WRONG with America, all in one post

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CameronPoe wrote:

Another -

Good:

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Research, development and contributions to technological advancement.

Bad:

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Foreign policy dictated sometimes cruelly by natural resources.

So it's the US's fault that people in another country (that being one that's NOT the US) live in squalor?

*slaps forehead* OF COURSE! Why wouldn't it be the US's fault and NOT the fault of the friggin country in which those people live?

Dragonclaw wrote:

phil-12-12 wrote:

Wrong:

Americans lack education.

Wrong. Most Americans are smart, there are always a few dumbasses just like in your country and [Insert Random European Country Here]. Saying we lack education is admitting that you lack education.

he's Canadien, don't you mention Europe.

lowing wrote:

Yes there is circumstances that led to these robbers doing wrong, it is called a lack of personal responsibility. In America, you are FREE to choose to exercise it or not. There are rewards and consequences established for your decisions.

Its called being a product of your environment. if you grow up with bad parents and/or in poverty, don't you think your personal responsibility is compromised by being raised in a shit environment? in a white picket fence world, ok fair enough its probably their fault for meddling in other peoples lives. but some people don't have a proper choice.

which goes back to the point i was making.  how about fixing the root of the problem? what is better, prevention or cure? carrying around a gun may prevent you from coming into bodily harm. until thieves decide, "well if my targets carry guns then i might to". then theres chaos. or am i wrong?

where as if the focus was put on education and eliminating poverty you will probably find less people stealing, less people using drugs as an escape (either using or dealing), more people working and having opportunities to work. and therefore less need to carry guns around, to potentially blow peoples heads off who may or may not be after you.

how was this even considered for the RIGHT pile?

twiistaaa wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes there is circumstances that led to these robbers doing wrong, it is called a lack of personal responsibility. In America, you are FREE to choose to exercise it or not. There are rewards and consequences established for your decisions.

Its called being a product of your environment. if you grow up with bad parents and/or in poverty, don't you think your personal responsibility is compromised by being raised in a shit environment? in a white picket fence world, ok fair enough its probably their fault for meddling in other peoples lives. but some people don't have a proper choice.

which goes back to the point i was making.  how about fixing the root of the problem? what is better, prevention or cure? carrying around a gun may prevent you from coming into bodily harm. until thieves decide, "well if my targets carry guns then i might to". then theres chaos. or am i wrong?

where as if the focus was put on education and eliminating poverty you will probably find less people stealing, less people using drugs as an escape (either using or dealing), more people working and having opportunities to work. and therefore less need to carry guns around, to potentially blow peoples heads off who may or may not be after you.

how was this even considered for the RIGHT pile?

First, I do not buy the, "my parents hated me so I have a reason to be a piece of shit" excuse. If you are 13 years old even, you know the difference between right and wrong. It is YOUR responsibility to act accordingly. No one ever grew up in a perfect home.

Second, there are more govt. grants and student loan programs out there that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting one. My state offers FREE college to anyone that graduates HS with a meager B average. Given all of this, a person still has to have the initiative to ACTUALLY APPLY for said programs do they not?


Third, you will NEVER eliminate poverty because there are always going to be people who will not pull their on load and blame everyone else for the consequences of it.

It went to the RIGHT pile because a potential VICTIM turned the tables on the CRIMINAL, and is alive while the criminal is dead, how do you justify putting this inot the WRONG pile? If someone hadda die in this situation the RIGHT person did.

Last edited by lowing (2007-12-29 17:23:37)

David.P wrote:

Cam were'nt the people decapitated potentially innocent? Was that christian mother in indonesia potentially inncoent when they gunned her down? How about the buddhist monk in thailand who was on a peace mission with the muslims potentially innocent? Cam whats worse dying or being imprisoned? Also cam explain to me how when muslims kill people for their cause it's only a small group but when the US does something not even close to that, All US citizens are automatically bad? Tell me Cam? Why?

Here are some newsflashes:

1. Yes the decapitated people were innocent. That is a fact that is 100% completely and utterly irrelevant to someone languishing in Gitmo for being in the wrong place at the wrong time like Ruhal Ahmed, Asif Iqbal and Shafiq Rasul, three completely innocent Britons who spent a couple of years banged up there. Are you saying it's ok to punish innocent people because they do it? That is warped logic and that is why people are losing respect for the US.

2. All US citizens are not automatically bad. You must have pulled the idea that I think that directly out of your rectal passage.

Twistaa, you remind me of my one friend who suggested we outlaw war. Congrats on being naive.

Kmarion wrote:

phil-12-12 wrote:

Wrong:

Americans lack education.

lol..

Intelligence knows no boundaries......

Commie Killer wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

phil-12-12 wrote:

Wrong:

Americans lack education.

lol..

Intelligence knows no boundaries......

You see, that's what I talked about in the thread about bigotry.  This guy saying Americans lack education is a bigot.

So basically the point of this is that we need to shoot more criminals. I like it!

CameronPoe wrote:

David.P wrote:

1. Sigh

2 And sigh no i did'nt pull it out my ass but from your anti america posts.

Not Anti-American: anti-moron that supports Republican foreign policy, which at the moment constitutes only about 30% of the population, mainly living in the likes of the old confederate states. At the same time I don't really blame them: a large proportion of the proles in most countries are usually excitable through nationalistic rhetoric and flashy media blitzes.

Sorry Cam, not buying it. Most Americans in general are too self absorbed in their own peaceful, debt laiden lives to give 2 flying fucks about FORIEGN policy, hell we do not even care about securing our own boders against foriegn invasion by mexico and islam. We are  busy trying to decide who the next American Idol will be. You give us citizens wayyyyyyyyyyy too much credit if you think we give a shit about what is happening over seas or even care to get involved, and most average REPUBLICAN citizens are too busy trying to achieve goals and build something for themselves and their familes to worry about the rest of the worlds problems.

It is the liberal mind set in the US,  that is all for saving the world and not offending anyone, at the cost of our nation,  that I think are the morons.

lowing wrote:

Sorry Cam, not buying it. Most Americans in general are too self absorbed in their own peaceful, debt laiden lives to give 2 flying fucks about FORIEGN policy, hell we do not even care about securing our own boders against foriegn invasion by mexico and islam. We are  busy trying to decide who the next American Idol will be. You give us citizens wayyyyyyyyyyy too much credit if you think we give a shit about what is happening over seas or even care to get involved, and most average REPUBLICAN citizens are too busy trying to achieve goals and build something for themselves and their familes to worry about the rest of the worlds problems.

It is the liberal mind set in the US,  that is all for saving the world and not offending anyone, at the cost of our nation,  that I think are the morons.

A real Republican does believe in securing his borders lowing, as well you know. But you are right - and that is exactly what I'm saying: America is no different than any country in Europe - affluent people don't give that much of a shit as long as they're doing ok themselves. It's unfortunate that Republican politicians seem to focus far more on matters in the 'outside world' than they do in America. The 'liberal mindset' I think you'll find is dead set against military intervention in other countries and would rather see the stupendous amounts of cash spent on countries like Iraq spent on roads, hospitals and schools in their own country. You accuse the 'liberals' of wanting to do what the Republicans have long been pretending to do for years - 'saving the world'.

lowing wrote:

I am speaking of the citizens NOT the politicians.

I am all for building the things you mention but  the liberals want to achieve this by controlling our money, our retirement our health-care. Basically our lives. They also want to hand over our military to the whims UN. Republicans are not monsters Cam, they simply insist on accountability for ones self, and let individuality prevail and flourish as opposed to having the achievers provide for the non-achievers.

Let's not turn this into a debate on the domestic affairs of the US. My gripe is with their foreign policy, I couldn't care less what they do within the US.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-12-30 06:56:38)