Drakef
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Albuquerque Has Renewal of Attacks on Abortion

By DAN FROSCH
Published: December 28, 2007

A rash of attacks on abortion and family planning clinics has struck Albuquerque this month, the first such violence there in nearly a decade.

Two attacks occurred early Tuesday at two buildings belonging to Planned Parenthood of New Mexico, according to Albuquerque police and fire officials. An arson fire damaged a surgery center the organization uses for abortions, and the windows of a Planned Parenthood family planning clinic 12 blocks away were smashed, the officials said.

Neither building sustained significant damage, and activities at both of them resumed Wednesday, a spokeswoman said.

The attacks came just weeks after the Albuquerque clinic run by a nationally known abortion provider, Dr. Curtis Boyd, was destroyed by arsonists on Dec. 6.

On Wednesday, agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, along with local arson investigators, arrested two suspects in the fire at Dr. Boyd’s clinic, which has provided abortions to women from throughout the region and Mexico since 1972.

The suspects, Chad Altman and Sergio Baca of Albuquerque, both 22, were arrested on arson charges after the authorities received a tip, said Jake Gonzales, the agent in charge of the firearms agency’s Albuquerque office.

Mr. Gonzales said it was not clear whether the Dec. 6 attack was related to those at the Planned Parenthood offices, which are still under investigation by federal and local authorities.

The small, tightknit group of abortion providers here reacted with a mix of shock and fear over the attacks. In 1999, the same Planned Parenthood surgical center was set ablaze. An ex-convict, Ricky Lee McDonald, who has a history of violence against New Mexico abortion clinics, was found guilty in that attack and sent to prison.

The Planned Parenthood of New Mexico spokeswoman, Martha Edmands, condemned the recent attacks, as did Dauneen Dolce, executive director of the Right to Life Committee of New Mexico.

“It makes me really angry,” Ms. Edmands said. “It’s really upsetting that anyone would attempt to put any kind of doctor out of business.”

She said the group was revamping security measures when the attacks occurred. Protesters regularly picket the surgical center, she said.

Ms. Dolce said: “We never encourage violence of any nature. After all, there’s enough violence going on in these clinics.”

Dr. Boyd, who helped found the National Abortion Federation, a professional association of abortion providers, said: “After working on the abortion reform movement for 40 years, I wake up and I still can’t believe we’re still where we are. When will it stop?”

He and his wife, Glenna Halvorson-Boyd, a past president of the National Abortion Federation who is a psychologist at the clinic, vowed to rebuild their operation. But they said it had been difficult to find a new location because landlords were wary of renting to an abortion provider.

“I’m going to have to accept the fact that I’m going to die before the rights of women are secured, and the violence against providers and staff comes to an end,” Dr. Boyd said.

A study issued last year by the Feminist Majority Foundation, which monitors attacks on abortion clinics, concluded that the most serious anti-abortion violence had declined since 1994, when federal legislation gave greater protection to providers and patients. According to the report, 18 percent of clinics experienced severe violence in 2005, compared with 52 percent in 1994.

Still, the report said, many clinics are still targets of extreme violence.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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I bet it was Islamic fundamentalists.
usmarine
Banned
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I bet it was Islamic fundamentalists.
oh shut up ffs
kylef
Gone
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I bet it was Islamic fundamentalists.
More than fundamentalism...extremism.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7067|949

usmarine2005 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I bet it was Islamic fundamentalists.
oh shut up ffs
Religion of peace, remember?
usmarine
Banned
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Religion of peace, remember?
What are you talking about?
Dragonclaw
Member
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As much as I strongly disagree with abortion being used just because the dumb stupid bitch was a fucking idiot and got pregnant this is taking it too far.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6961|Milkystania, yurop
blah blah blah
crazy  ppl
Its a free country let the women do what they want to do , its there body
you wanna decide over a woman go to the middleeast
othervise gtfo

back on topic my drink is finished gotta top it up

Happy new year weirdos     
Ajax_the_Great1
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and?
Dragonclaw
Member
+186|6740|Florida

Magpie wrote:

blah blah blah
crazy  ppl
Its a free country let the women do what they want to do , its there body
you wanna decide over a woman go to the middleeast
othervise gtfo

back on topic my drink is finished gotta top it up

Happy new year weirdos     
What about the kid. If you were going to be aborted would you agree just because "women can do whatever they want lolololol"
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7067|949

Dragonclaw wrote:

Magpie wrote:

blah blah blah
crazy  ppl
Its a free country let the women do what they want to do , its there body
you wanna decide over a woman go to the middleeast
othervise gtfo

back on topic my drink is finished gotta top it up

Happy new year weirdos     
What about the kid. If you were going to be aborted would you agree just because "women can do whatever they want lolololol"
Prenatal babies don't have the capacity to think like that.  If they did, do you think they would agree to being born in a piss-poor underdeveloped country with little chance for survival like most children born in the world?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-12-31 16:49:20)

Dragonclaw
Member
+186|6740|Florida

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Dragonclaw wrote:

Magpie wrote:

blah blah blah
crazy  ppl
Its a free country let the women do what they want to do , its there body
you wanna decide over a woman go to the middleeast
othervise gtfo

back on topic my drink is finished gotta top it up

Happy new year weirdos     
What about the kid. If you were going to be aborted would you agree just because "women can do whatever they want lolololol"
Prenatal babies don't have the capacity to think like that.  If they did, do you think they would agree to being born in a piss-poor underdeveloped country with little chance for survival like most children born in the world?
Of course they dont, but if they did Im sure they wouldnt be happy about being aborted.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
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In a world that is desperately over populated, these religeous fuckwits still hold on to the whole life is sacred bullshit.

Go bomb a health insurance company, or a pro-war politician's house.  Fucking hypocrites.
theelviscerator
Member
+19|6724
nobody cares either evidently..
Turquoise
O Canada
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RoosterCantrell wrote:

In a world that is desperately over populated, these religeous fuckwits still hold on to the whole life is sacred bullshit.

Go bomb a health insurance company, or a pro-war politician's house.  Fucking hypocrites.
No kidding, but reality has never been on the pro-life agenda.  If they actually supported the needed social programs to handle a ban, they might get somewhere, but the vast majority of them don't.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6961|Milkystania, yurop

Dragonclaw wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Dragonclaw wrote:


What about the kid. If you were going to be aborted would you agree just because "women can do whatever they want lolololol"
Prenatal babies don't have the capacity to think like that.  If they did, do you think they would agree to being born in a piss-poor underdeveloped country with little chance for survival like most children born in the world?
Of course they dont, but if they did Im sure they wouldnt be happy about being aborted.
But thats not the point the point is that you can have your opinion but in the end its the womens choice not yours or mine.....
So if a woman gets raped she should then keep the rapists baby? since having a abortion is so wrong...
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6565|North Tonawanda, NY

Dragonclaw wrote:

Of course they dont, but if they did Im sure they wouldnt be happy about being aborted.
And if trees could talk, then maybe they would protest being cut down.  But they can't.  There is no "if".
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Turquoise wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

In a world that is desperately over populated, these religeous fuckwits still hold on to the whole life is sacred bullshit.

Go bomb a health insurance company, or a pro-war politician's house.  Fucking hypocrites.
No kidding, but reality has never been on the pro-life agenda.  If they actually supported the needed social programs to handle a ban, they might get somewhere, but the vast majority of them don't.
You keep saying this, but all I see is pro-life organizations opening pregnancy centers offering help to expecting mothers.  So they're doing their own social program, without the government lifting a finger.
Ajax_the_Great1
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RoosterCantrell wrote:

In a world that is desperately over populated,
pfft, ever been to Montana?
Skorpy-chan
Member
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I blame the christian fundies for this one.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6840|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

In a world that is desperately over populated, these religeous fuckwits still hold on to the whole life is sacred bullshit.

Go bomb a health insurance company, or a pro-war politician's house.  Fucking hypocrites.
No kidding, but reality has never been on the pro-life agenda.  If they actually supported the needed social programs to handle a ban, they might get somewhere, but the vast majority of them don't.
You keep saying this, but all I see is pro-life organizations opening pregnancy centers offering help to expecting mothers.  So they're doing their own social program, without the government lifting a finger.
They're also ignoring the fact that a ban would produce more unwanted children and single mothers than any charities could handle.  So yeah, they're still dodging the reality that we need bigger and better social programs before a ban can even be considered.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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This is one of those cases of "who's the terrorist?"

But then again, it is impossible for a screaming, well-developed fetus to be afraid.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6840|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

This is one of those cases of "who's the terrorist?"

But then again, it is impossible for a screaming, well-developed fetus to be afraid.
Thank you for that assessment, Eric Rudolph.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6880|The Land of Scott Walker
Eric Rudolph was a terrorist who killed.  No matter what your position you cannot argue the fact that abortionists rip babies limb from limb inside their mother.  Pick any one abortionist and he/she has killed far more human beings than Eric Rudolph ...

Do they deserve to be killed?  No.  Civilized people do not kill people with whom they disagree.  Are they killers?  Absolutely.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6840|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

Eric Rudolph was a terrorist who killed.  No matter what your position you cannot argue the fact that abortionists rip babies limb from limb inside their mother.  Pick any one abortionist and he/she has killed far more human beings than Eric Rudolph ...

Do they deserve to be killed?  No.  Civilized people do not kill people with whom they disagree.  Are they killers?  Absolutely.
Don't complain about this until you have a plan that addresses the root causes of abortion itself.  You can't logically end this practice until we have large enough social programs, a more affordable and less bureaucratic adoption program, and better education of and availability of birth control throughout the country.

Until those things are in place, a ban would just skyrocket the practice of illegal abortions.

So what this really comes down to is....  Do you actually want abortion to end (legal and illegal ones)?  Or do you just want to push your self-righteousness on others with a ban?

If you truly want abortion to end almost altogether, support what most of Western Europe and Canada have done -- comprehensive social programs and easy access to birth control, along with better sex ed.  Western Europe has less abortions per capita than America by a longshot, and yet abortion is still legal there during the first trimester (in most of their countries).  Sure, it's not nonexistent, but you have to be realistic about these things.

And before you go on about charities, reality dictates that the government must get involved in this, like it or not.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-01-01 08:56:56)

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