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'The alleged ringleader of US troops who killed 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 in Haditha will not face murder charges, a US Marines spokesman said.
Sgt Frank Wuterich, 27, will stand trial for voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, dereliction of duty and other charges, officials said.

The decision was made by Lt Gen Samuel Helland, who is overseeing the case.
Sgt Wuterich is the last of four marines to have the murder charge against him dropped.
Another marine, 1st Lt Andrew Grayson, was ordered to face court-martial for making false official statements and other charges.

'Insurgent gunfight'

Twenty-four Iraqi civilians, including three women, seven children and several elderly men, died at Haditha, in Anbar province, on 19 November 2005.
Iraqi witnesses say the shootings were in retaliation for a roadside bomb that killed one of the marines, Lance Cpl Miguel Terrazas, as his convoy drove through the town.
The US military at first reported that the Iraqis had been killed by an improvised explosive device (IED) that killed L/Cpl Terrazas, or in a subsequent gunfight with insurgents.
But Iraqi witnesses said the US troops shot dead five unarmed men in a car when they approached the scene of the bombing in a taxi.
They were then accused of killing 19 other civilians in three houses nearby over the next few hours.
Despite the accusations, there was no full US investigation into what happened until January 2006, when video footage emerged of the aftermath, shot by a local human rights activist.'

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usmarine
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Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.
SgtSlutter
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.
dun dun nanananan dun dun nanananana waa waa waa dun dun nanananan...

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mikkel
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.
That's not war. It's murder. War crimes.
usmarine
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mikkel wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.
That's not war. It's murder. War crimes.
Well where did it happen?  I am not excusing if that is what you are getting at.
CommieChipmunk
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.

op wrote:

Twenty-four Iraqi civilians, including three women, seven children and several elderly men, died at Haditha, in Anbar province, on 19 November 2005.

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usmarine
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CommieChipmunk wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.

op wrote:

Twenty-four Iraqi civilians, including three women, seven children and several elderly men, died at Haditha, in Anbar province, on 19 November 2005.
Ok?  We know.  Been discussed many times on here.
Catbox
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I wasn't there to witness this event so its hard for me to tell if the shooting was justified... but i'd be willing to bet that after the insurgents opened fire on troops...then ran an hid amongst regular citizens to try and get away...  and i'm sure as hell that soldier isn't happy that innocent people got killed... war sucks...   

the soldier is still going to trial
"will stand trial for voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, dereliction of duty and other charges"

Im gonna err on the side of these soldiers....giving them the benefit of the doubt... being in a hostile life threatening situation everyday and the fight to stay alive is something i cant comprehend... thank god for their bravery...




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Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2007-12-31 16:46:11)

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CommieChipmunk
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I wasn't there to witness this event so its hard for me to tell if the shooting was justified... but i'd be willing to bet that after the insurgents opened fire on troops...then ran an hid amongst regular citizens to try and get away...  and i'm sure as hell that soldier isn't happy that innocent people got killed... war sucks...   

the soldier is still going to trial
"will stand trial for voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, dereliction of duty and other charges"

Im gonna err on the side of these soldiers....giving them the benefit of the doubt... being in a hostile life threatening situation everyday and the fight to stay alive is something i cant comprehend... thank god for their bravery...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/middleea … SN31581672

Reuters wrote:

LANCE CPL. STEPHEN TATUM - Faces a late March trial on charges of involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault. Other Marines have testified Tatum was among those who "cleared" two Iraqi homes, resulting in 19 deaths, including many women and children.
Another Marine testified Tatum told him to shoot a group of Iraqi women and children he found on a bed in a closed room

SGT. SANICK DELA CRUZ - Initially charged with unpremeditated murders, he was granted immunity from prosecution after agreeing to testify. Dela Cruz has admitted to urinating on the skull of one of the dead Iraqi men because he was upset about a well-liked Marine's death that day.
I think it was more of a "venting anger" situation, and I completely sympathize with the marines as I couldn't handle killing people and seeing my friends dying, that's hell and no one should have to go through that.  It obviously causes some mental instability/anger/frustration..etc.. which probably lead to the murders.

It's a shitty situation but it's not fair to just let them off...
m3thod
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Doesn't surprise me.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine
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m3thod wrote:

Doesn't surprise me.
Does it surprise you we actually put them on trial and not celebrate it like your hero's?
Master*
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usmarine2005 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Its war.  This is not an episode of Law & Order.

op wrote:

Twenty-four Iraqi civilians, including three women, seven children and several elderly men, died at Haditha, in Anbar province, on 19 November 2005.
Ok?  We know.  Been discussed many times on here.
Was it you?

Its sad really, you can see the anger that those marines felt after they lost one of their own. But they werent doing any good killing civilians.
Stingray24
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This has been debated time and time again, do we need another thread about it?  /close
m3thod
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usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Doesn't surprise me.
Does it surprise you we actually put them on trial and not celebrate it like your hero's?
Put them on trial, then wishy washy about for an extended period till everyone forgets then vindicated.  Woohoo.  Usual bollocks.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Turquoise
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Well, at least our soldiers are tried for alleged crimes.  Contractors can kill and get away with it, regardless of the reasons why.
notorious
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Sorry, but this really has been discussed at great length.

Maybe not this exact situation, but war crimes and things similar to this.

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