DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7166|United States of America
Smoking Banned in the Cafes of France

PARIS (AP) — Non-smokers reveled. Some smokers grumbled. But others pondered kicking the habit as France's smoking ban went into effect Tuesday with the start of the new year. Owners of bars, restaurants, nightclubs and cafes, where smoking is now prohibited, worried it would be bad for business.
Newly hung no-smoking signs dotted the entrance and walls of the Cafe Elysees, off Paris' celebrated Champs-Elysees avenue, and staffers bundled up against the cold for sidewalk smoke breaks. Client Pierre Morgon, 22, praised the ban, saying the cafe's clean air allowed him to better appreciate the food.
"Today's filet mignon tastes richer than it did yesterday," the Cafe Elysees regular said with a sly smile.
Morgon, a smoker, said the restrictions would also help motivate him to quit: "There's no way I'll be able to put it off anymore."
Others saw the ban as attack on their rights.
Jean-Pierre Aiglement, a 55-year-old waiter at the Cafe Au Depart in northern Paris, vowed not to be "chased out onto the pavement" by the "stupid law."
"I'll smoke where I please," he said, lighting a cigarette with his morning coffee.
French officials gave smokers a New Year's day reprieve, saying they would only start enforcing the ban on Wednesday. But many Paris cafes and restaurants had already gone smoke-free.
Eight states in neighboring Germany also launched restrictions on smoking in bars and restaurants, though the measures were generally more flexible than in France.
Under France's ban, those caught lighting up inside face a $93 fine, while owners who turn a blind eye to smoking in their establishments face a $198 fine.
Restaurateurs and cafe personnel say the ban forces them to police their clients, and insist it will slice into their revenues.
"Once they start enforcing the ban, this place will be empty," Aiglement said.
Loic Chardonnay, a 22-year-old waiter at the Cafe Elysees, said he expected business to slow down for several months.
"But it'll pick up once we French get used to it," he predicted, pointing to the success of recent smoking bans in Spain and Italy.
With the ban, France joins the swelling ranks of European countries that have enacted broad anti-smoking restrictions. But for many in this country known for its smoky cafes, cigarettes are an integral part of what it means to be French.
About a quarter of France's 60 million people smoke. The Health Ministry said one in two regular smokers — or some 66,000 people annually — dies of smoking-related illness here, and about 5,000 nonsmokers die each year from second-hand smoke.
Last year saw the reinforcement of a long-standing prohibition on smoking in France's workplaces, schools, airports, hospitals and other "closed and covered" public places such as train stations. Restaurants and other so-called places of conviviality were given an extra 11 months to adapt to the new rules, which allow smoking only inside special sealed chambers.
Restaurateurs have decried the chambers, which they say are prohibitively expensive, and urged more flexibility.
In Germany, a group representing restaurant and bar owners filed a challenge to the country's supreme court against new anti-smoking laws — which took effect Tuesday in eight states.
American tourist Regina Sauma applauded the European efforts to go smoke-free. Sauma, a New Yorker who often travels to Europe for business, said she did not think the French ban was a threat to Parisian cafe culture.
"There's more to Paris than just smoke," Sauma said as savored a cigarette on a chilly outdoor terrace.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7243

I have been to France (Toulouse), and I swear to god I could not believe how much they smoke.  Not sure how this going to happen.
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|7019|Chicago
Same laws went into effect in Chicago yesterday. It sucks.
AWSMFOX
Banned
+405|6945|A W S M F O X
Yeah, this was amazing when it happened to us, no-one could give a flying fuck about france.
Rubix-Cubes
Member
+123|7137|UK
I dont think its sucks, i used to hate going to a pub to watch some sport, only for my eyes to be watering because of the smoke, as a lot of you know its been in the UK for about 5 or so months and i dont think that anyone really gives a shit.

Ps i am a smoker
[-DER-]Omega
membeR
+188|7308|Lithuania

RedTwizzler wrote:

Same laws went into effect in Chicago yesterday. It sucks.
thank god for that
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jord
Member
+2,382|7160|The North, beyond the wall.
Shame.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7019|Long Island, New York
yay for not getting cancer
jord
Member
+2,382|7160|The North, beyond the wall.

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
Everything gives you Cancer.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7243

jord wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
Everything gives you Cancer.
even pie?
RandomSchl
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+52|6925|California

usmarine2005 wrote:

jord wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
Everything gives you Cancer.
even pie?
radioactive pie
jord
Member
+2,382|7160|The North, beyond the wall.

usmarine2005 wrote:

jord wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
Everything gives you Cancer.
even pie?
Depends. Actually no it doesn't, recent studies showed an eating in excess of 4 pies a day can cause several types of Cancer. Including but not limited to; Prostate, Lung, Throat, Heart, and Mouth Cancers.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|7007|South Florida

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
yay for being able to choose if you want cancer or not rather then the government telling you where you can and cant help your cancer grow.
15 more years! 15 more years!
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7311|Denver colorado
lol. I kinda was against it for a while but I reconsidered. Sucks to be a smoker.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6945|Tyne & Wear, England
Since the ban in England I have really enjoyed not being inundated by smoke every time I go to the pub.

And being a part-time barman I can tell you that it has not affected trade what-so-ever, at least in my experience.  All in all it has been a huge success.  I'm guessing the same will happen for France.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7243

If the govt pays for your health care.......why is this so bad?  Its actually a smart business move.
jord
Member
+2,382|7160|The North, beyond the wall.

usmarine2005 wrote:

If the govt pays for your health care.......why is this so bad?  Its actually a smart business move.
Not sure if France has free health care.

Anyway

People have to split up to go outside and smoke.
People have to go in the cold to smoke.
Bar owners got told how to manage their business.



In my opinion, and I don't smoke. It should be up to the owner of the property. Then you could get people who don't really give a shit about being around smoke and smokers all going to one bar/cafe, and the non smokers going to another. Everyone's happy. Non smokers, Bar owners, Smokers.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7019|Long Island, New York

Mitch wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
yay for being able to choose if you want cancer or not rather then the government telling you where you can and cant help your cancer grow.
i'm referring to the people in cafes.

jord wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

yay for not getting cancer
Everything gives you Cancer.
Well yeah, but smoking quicker. Sorry, I had a relative die from lung cancer so I'm adamantly against smoking.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-01-02 12:48:26)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6927|The Land of Scott Walker
They've done this in Madison and it has hurt business, some going out of business.  Seriously, why else do friends meet at a bar?  To drink and/or smoke, right?  If you don't want to breathe smoke, don't go in a bar or the smoking section of the restaurant!  Utter stupidity ... yes, I'm a non-smoker.
Darkhelmet
cereal killer
+233|7232|the middle of nowhere
Smoking was banned in restaurants where I live, which is great because it always smelled horrible.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7153|UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

I have been to France (Toulouse), and I swear to god I could not believe how much they smoke.  Not sure how this going to happen.
Wait till you to go to Greece approx 45% of their population smoke (about 11% for the french).
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6961|Somewhere else

RedTwizzler wrote:

Same laws went into effect in Chicago yesterday. It sucks.
All of Illinois, actually. 

While I can say that I see the reasoning, it doesn't make sense for bars.

It's a bar for god's sake.  It's o.k. to go somewhere to get liver cnacer, but the lungs must be protected in that environment? pff what? That's rediculous.

-I am a non-smoker by the way and I still see this as a bit too far.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7153|UK
check out the get around ploys, this is the german attempt.

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44328000/jpg/_44328313_germansmokerafp_203b.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7166159.stm
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6810

m3thod wrote:

check out the get around ploys, this is the german attempt.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … p_203b.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7166159.stm
I read and skimmed most of that article and didn't come across wtf is going on in that picture?
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7153|UK

Im_Dooomed wrote:

m3thod wrote:

check out the get around ploys, this is the german attempt.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 … p_203b.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7166159.stm
I read and skimmed most of that article and didn't come across wtf is going on in that picture?
smoking in a special part of a restaurant.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

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