I read a good post on a Swedish "military" forum the other day. (Since I'm from Sweden, obviously) It was a very well written worst case scenario where Sweden is eventually invaded by Russia (a few years from now). Now I don't wanna go in to all the details because the post was several pages long, but pretty much what happened was that Chechnian terrorists attacked the subway in Moscow, Russia. And somehow these terrorists and/or people who had something to do with them where in Sweden as refugees, so Swedish law prohibits them from being handed over to the Russians. Now I don't remember the whole story, but as I said it was very well written and I just want to give you an overall idea of what happened in the "story". So besides these terrorists being given "asylum" in Sweden, there where a lot of other things going on like Russian border intrusion in to Swedish waters, Swedish coast guard killing Russian sailors, oil drama, u name it. Even though it might sound ridiculous me explaining this, if you read the story and new a bit about Sweden and Russia you would understand. (They have been "enemies" for centuries.) Anyway, just IMAGINE, that for some reason Russia has now invaded Sweden. Not much force was needed since the Swedish armed forces is pretty small now a days (was one of Europes biggest 20 years ago, and there is a big debate in Sweden now on whether we should continue to take money from the armed forces or not - hence this scenario was created). Maybe small skirmishes were fought but the Russians pretty much just rolled in, took out key TV/Radio broadcasting stations, Air Force bases etc. (Again, this is probably not how things would happen, but imagine!)
So within a matter of days most of Sweden is occupied but Russia. Even though there is not any major hostility against the people there is of course tension. After a few weeks a system is set up where Russian guards are patrolling the streets of Stockholm with Swedish police officers and the Russians claim that when the Swedish government have agreed to certain terms than they will pull out. But it seems as there is some kind of a hidden agenda, perhaps the Russians are aiming to stay in Sweden, for more than just a couple of months....
Sweden is not officially a part of NATO, although we work a lot with them. But still I believe that America sees Sweden as their "ally" more than anything else. Not only that, Norway - being a NATO country, is just beside Sweden. So with Sweden occupied by Russia, NATO would surely see that as a threat. Would Finland come to our aid? Perhaps a guerrilla war would start against the occupiers? With Finnish soldiers fighting along side their Swedish comrades just like in WWII (except it was the other way around back then of course).
I'm not sure what the EU would do, but I'm guessing they wouldn't wanna interfere too much because of all the bureaucracy within the EU.
But to my question, do you think that the USA would do anything about the situation, either with or without armed force? Would the US come to our aid?
EDIT: Magpie did us all a huge favor and translated a summarized version of the story:
I doubt any of you can read it, but if you happen to be swedish, or know someone who can translate it then take your time.
So within a matter of days most of Sweden is occupied but Russia. Even though there is not any major hostility against the people there is of course tension. After a few weeks a system is set up where Russian guards are patrolling the streets of Stockholm with Swedish police officers and the Russians claim that when the Swedish government have agreed to certain terms than they will pull out. But it seems as there is some kind of a hidden agenda, perhaps the Russians are aiming to stay in Sweden, for more than just a couple of months....
Sweden is not officially a part of NATO, although we work a lot with them. But still I believe that America sees Sweden as their "ally" more than anything else. Not only that, Norway - being a NATO country, is just beside Sweden. So with Sweden occupied by Russia, NATO would surely see that as a threat. Would Finland come to our aid? Perhaps a guerrilla war would start against the occupiers? With Finnish soldiers fighting along side their Swedish comrades just like in WWII (except it was the other way around back then of course).
I'm not sure what the EU would do, but I'm guessing they wouldn't wanna interfere too much because of all the bureaucracy within the EU.
But to my question, do you think that the USA would do anything about the situation, either with or without armed force? Would the US come to our aid?
EDIT: Magpie did us all a huge favor and translated a summarized version of the story:
Here is a link to the topic on the swedish forum. It was posted back in '04.International Maritime Organization (IMO) Did in 2004 declare the Baltic sea as a protected sea or something, and declared that no oil tankers could enter if the did not have double hulls?
all of the countries surrounding the Baltic except Russia signed the agreement
January 2007
The Swedish coastguard (KBV) boarded two Russian oil tankers to try and send them back to Basra where they came from. Since they did not have a double hull. They did not want to cooperate so the coast guard took control over the ships and escorted them out of kattegat and there the crew were handed back the ship
The oil the ships where carrying was supposed to go to a power plant in kallingrad, but during that time it was the coldest winter months with temps down to -34 and there was hardly any fuel reserves left, they had limited electricity
The Russians said that over 330 ppl die, but there was a public outcry when it came out that 22 of the dead had died in the same old ppl home and they where ww2 war veterans
Russia calls back its ambassador . the ships are sent through again but with a heavy Russian navy escort, the Swedish coastguard orders are ignored . and the transport goes through
May 2007
Russia declares that they are going to raise their fishing quotas with over 40% , even though Swe and Finland protest they go through with it and start to fish outside of gotland (Swedish island) some of the ships are on Swedish territorial waters and when the coastguard try and board a ship a Russian fisher shoots and kills a Coastguard.
After this the coastguard uses Swedish military spec ops to do the boardings , the Russians gets P.O and the Russian fishing fleet is escorted by Navy ships. Sometimes the ships are in Swedish waters and after a confrontation between them a Swedish Corvette is damaged badly, since a Russian navy ship rammed it. A Russian sailor dies
September 2007
A well planned terror attack occurs during rush hour in the Moscow's underground 2 of the 8 rucksacks have a nervgas in them within 15 min 860 ppl have died due to the nervgas. After a massive manhunt Chechnian separatists are arrested 6 of them are Swedish citizens, they were granted it a few years ago. The money that was used to plan the assault was funded by a government run relief agency, who thought they where funding a center for raped women outside of Grozny
February 2008
A outbreak of smallpox occurs and is found to have originated from St peterburgs water plant. After two weeks the over 2000 ppl have died and several hundred more have been shoot by Russian troops since they tried to escape from the quarantine area.
as responsible for that act the Russians point the finger at a "Sergej" who lives in Sweden. The Swedish security police question him but release him due to the lack of evidence. Russia demands that he will be sent over but Sweden refuses on the grounds that he has already been questioned by the security police and that Russia does not belong to the EU and that he also risks to get the death penalty if sent over.
There is no way he could be sent to Russia according to the law
Russia threatens Sweden and declares that sergej is outlawed and that they will deal with him some other way. after 2 attempts on sergejs life and
after a media storm he is given police protection. When a third attempt is made on his life his attacker is killed by a Security police bodyguard.
The attacker is identified as a active officer in the Russian domestic troops
Sweden calls home its ambassador from Russia.
Russia also calls home their ambassador and declare in the UN security council that they no longer accept that Sweden has become a safe haven for Russian enemies
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March 2008
Rumours of a imminent nuclear terror attack spreads widespread panic in Moscow , roads are blocked and looting occurs during several days in the city. The rumour was posted on 10 of Russia's most visited sites. The well written message says that 3 suitcase nukes will be detonated in three named locations in Moscow. This as revenge towards Russia's oppression of the tjetjen ppl.
Nobody is harmed during the days of civil unrest but the economy is hurt, and it is a huge crisis for the Russian industry since nobody is ordering.
Allot of ppl lose their jobs
The messages author is never found but Russian gossip newspapers state that the message probably has its origin in the it country Sweden
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After that it goes on to tell how Russia managed to invade Sweden ,
Sorry if there are any errors in the text if there is then stfu
I doubt any of you can read it, but if you happen to be swedish, or know someone who can translate it then take your time.
Last edited by Snorkelfarsan (2008-01-08 19:53:12)