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topal63
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I am thinking about my next computer setup having a 40" - 46" Sony or Samsung 1080p HDTV as a monitor, gaming monitor that is!

The Sony Bravia and Samsung models have a 120hz progressive scan refresh rate. I think they interpolate a frame in-between; that technology is called motion-flow or cine-motion. Which makes the image look/move on screen more smoothly. Does anyone have any experience with either of these HDTVs?

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-09 13:01:36)

mtb0minime
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That would be a sweet gaming monitor! Unfortunately I know nothing of HDTVs. Just make sure your videocard is HD, though, so you can take full advantage of it.
Funky_Finny
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My brother has a 42" HDTV Plasma. Word of warning: He has an 8800GT (I think, one of the 88's) and it can't push out a big enough resolution to fill the edges, so he got major screenburn around the sides, and ended up having to buy a Widescreen 26" because he had framed his HDTV and almost ruined it. Thankfully, Panisonic (don't buy a TV from anyone else - they're the shizz.) fixed it, and it was all fine and dandy, and now he only uses his Xbox Elite and HDDVD player on it. (Rich bastard... Well, he is on disability benifits...)
jord
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Funky_Finny wrote:

My brother has a 42" HDTV Plasma. Word of warning: He has an 8800GT (I think, one of the 88's) and it can't push out a big enough resolution to fill the edges, so he got major screenburn around the sides, and ended up having to buy a Widescreen 26" because he had framed his HDTV and almost ruined it. Thankfully, Panisonic (don't buy a TV from anyone else - they're the shizz.) fixed it, and it was all fine and dandy, and now he only uses his Xbox Elite and HDDVD player on it. (Rich bastard... Well, he is on disability benifits...)
I know enough about TV's to know that Panasonic aren't the only ones of making a quality product. They're overpriced, you get them because you're either a rich bastard or because of the name.
Funky_Finny
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jord wrote:

Funky_Finny wrote:

My brother has a 42" HDTV Plasma. Word of warning: He has an 8800GT (I think, one of the 88's) and it can't push out a big enough resolution to fill the edges, so he got major screenburn around the sides, and ended up having to buy a Widescreen 26" because he had framed his HDTV and almost ruined it. Thankfully, Panisonic (don't buy a TV from anyone else - they're the shizz.) fixed it, and it was all fine and dandy, and now he only uses his Xbox Elite and HDDVD player on it. (Rich bastard... Well, he is on disability benifits...)
I know enough about TV's to know that Panasonic aren't the only ones of making a quality product. They're overpriced, you get them because you're either a rich bastard or because of the name.
Remember, when you buy a product, you don't just buy the product. You buy customer service, warrenty, staff friendlyness, etc etc, and Panasonic are in those departments, the friendlies people you will ever come across, if you have a few grand to hand.
topal63
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Not interested in Panasonic at all; more interested in the Sony Bravia or Samsung 1080p at 120hz... they have the motion-flow and cine-motion technology.
jord
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Funky_Finny wrote:

jord wrote:

Funky_Finny wrote:

My brother has a 42" HDTV Plasma. Word of warning: He has an 8800GT (I think, one of the 88's) and it can't push out a big enough resolution to fill the edges, so he got major screenburn around the sides, and ended up having to buy a Widescreen 26" because he had framed his HDTV and almost ruined it. Thankfully, Panisonic (don't buy a TV from anyone else - they're the shizz.) fixed it, and it was all fine and dandy, and now he only uses his Xbox Elite and HDDVD player on it. (Rich bastard... Well, he is on disability benifits...)
I know enough about TV's to know that Panasonic aren't the only ones of making a quality product. They're overpriced, you get them because you're either a rich bastard or because of the name.
Remember, when you buy a product, you don't just buy the product. You buy customer service, warrenty, staff friendlyness, etc etc, and Panasonic are in those departments, the friendlies people you will ever come across, if you have a few grand to hand.
Yeah I know that all to well, I'm on AOL and when it breaks I don't get to talk to a fluent English speaker. Always good to have, but when buying a product, I make the decision of value for money of the actual product, I don't intend for it to break too soon
topal63
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Eh, I just I thought maybe someone might have heard of a setup... using either one of those HDTVs.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
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topal63 wrote:

Not interested in Panasonic at all; more interested in the Sony Bravia or Samsung 1080p at 120hz... they have the motion-flow and cine-motion technology.
And that means there better?  Though, think am right in saying large Panasonic Tv's are Plasma's not LCDs soooooo, might as well go samsung/sony.

It will work, look great and all, but, you will have to have one mother of a graphics card(s) to run it at the full HD rez.  Have a look for those 1GB  memory cards, you will certainly need as much RAM as possible on such a screen.

If not waiting for these dual PCB cards to come out, it's for this type of display SLI/Crossfire was really made for.

What kind of frame rate would you be after?

Martyn
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Bell, the best LCD tv out right now is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Also, Panasonics are not only LCD. One of the best 26in LCDs is a Panasonic.
It wont best TV of the year 2007.

Sony have fallen down in the LCD category over the last few year. Pioneer and Panasonic have taken over. I wouldn't even think of buying a sony for a gaming screen or a TV. You will get the best quality and performance out of a Pioneer.

Also, Topal, 120Hz is not noticeable by the naked eye. Max difference you will see is about 75Hz. Anything above that is a minimal change. The claims that sony make don't make the TV better, it just allows them to put a larger price tag on it.

But if you are not going to change your mind, then I suggest looking at other similar set ups over the internet. A very powerful GFX ( or plural form ) will be required to even have playable frame rates.
elbekko
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An 8800GT should easily pump out 1920x1800.
topal63
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Pioneer PDP-428XD: max. res. 1024 x 768, that is a little to low res. when compared to 1920 x 1080.

Zimmer wrote:

Bell, the best LCD tv out right now is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Also, Panasonics are not only LCD. One of the best 26in LCDs is a Panasonic.
It wont best TV of the year 2007.

Sony have fallen down in the LCD category over the last few year. Pioneer and Panasonic have taken over. I wouldn't even think of buying a sony for a gaming screen or a TV. You will get the best quality and performance out of a Pioneer.

Also, Topal, 120Hz is not noticeable by the naked eye. Max difference you will see is about 75Hz. Anything above that is a minimal change. The claims that sony make don't make the TV better, it just allows them to put a larger price tag on it.

But if you are not going to change your mind, then I suggest looking at other similar set ups over the internet. A very powerful GFX ( or plural form ) will be required to even have playable frame rates.
Nah, not dead set on anything... but you're semi-wrong the motion-flow and cine-motion is visible to the naked eye. I've seen it and tweaked with it at Circuit City and the Sony shop, but alas that was with movies and not an output from a PC. The point is that (I think) a frame is interpolated in between 2 others... the smoothness and clarity of the moving image is more than just noticeable; it can be dramatic. But, I don't know if that works when connected to a PC? I think it should but don't know?

Was just wondering (interested) if any one had seen a setup to smooth-out game play imaging with the cine-motion or motion-flow? I already have a decent 24inch monitor (I can use that but again... a new 3-way SLI comp. with 3 overclocked 8800 Ultras is on its way to me house). The question is just a question.

Has any one seen a setup utilizing PC game-play with cine-motion or motion-flow?

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-09 19:04:34)

topal63
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Sony bravia info./review from: http://www.epinions.com/content_404682346116
120hz Motion Enhancer and Cinemotion—These are the new features which set this XBR4 apart from other Sony models. I can say that the Motion Enhancer does have a subtle smoothing effect on scrolling text like the ESPN crawl or other things of that nature. It's hard to see a noticeable effect on fast moving objects during regular viewing, but I can say that everything I've viewed on this TV has looked great in motion. Also, the “Cinemotion” feature has a very unique effect when coupled with Motion Enhancement.” When Cinemotion is set to “Auto1” and Motion Enhancement is set to “High”, motion blurring is almost completely eliminated and film-based content begins to look like it was shot on HD Video. This combination almost makes it appear that the people are 3-d and moving at 1.5x speed, which can seem unnatural. Also, during some scenes it can introduce artifacts, so my preference is to go with Cinemotion set to “Auto2” which gives more of a film-like quality but still smooths out motion and doesn’t introduce any unnecessary artifacts.

Other Strengths to Note—One reason I prefer LCDs is their matte screens which diffuse reflections of ambient lighting. This TV, while being a bit glossier than previous generations, still does a good job of that. Also, I’m impressed with the amount of calibration options this set gives you. Some users may find this intimidating, but IMO more is always better. Those who don't want all of the picture adjustment options don't have to use them, but it's nice to have them there for those that like to endlessly tweak and calibrate their picture to near-perfection. Particularly pleasing is the advanced "White Balance" menu that lets you adjust primary color settings for better color accuracy. As far as gaming is concerned, I've never had to engage the "Game Mode" of this TV. I played a lot of MLB 07, which requires timing precision while pitching, and I’ve never had a problem with lag. So while I can't speak much on what Game Mode will improve, suffice it to say that since I haven't had a problem with lag so far, the TV is doing a great job.
That was another thing I noticed with the Sony - some images almost looked 3-D!

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-09 18:45:15)

ghettoperson
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elbekko wrote:

An 8800GT should easily pump out 1920x1800.
Yes, if you're playing games that are 3 years old.
Reciprocity
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I have a Samsung 4671 but I'm too lazy to move my puter down stairs and try it out.
topal63
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Reciprocity wrote:

I have a Samsung 4671 but I'm too lazy to move my puter down stairs and try it out.
Great picture quality - right? And 1080p right? Does that model have auto-motion, motion-flow or something like that?
Reciprocity
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topal63 wrote:

Great picture quality - right? And 1080p right? Does that model have auto-motion, motion-flow or something like that?
it's the nicest looking lcd, short of the 81 series, I've ever seen.  3 hdmi, 1 d-sub, but no DVI.  it does have automotion, and it's weird,  it makes everything look very smooth like a soap opera.  it also creates a strange sort of pseudo 3d effect.
Kmar
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Zimmer wrote:

Bell, the best LCD tv out right now is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Also, Panasonics are not only LCD. One of the best 26in LCDs is a Panasonic.
It wont best TV of the year 2007.

Sony have fallen down in the LCD category over the last few year. Pioneer and Panasonic have taken over. I wouldn't even think of buying a sony for a gaming screen or a TV. You will get the best quality and performance out of a Pioneer.

Also, Topal, 120Hz is not noticeable by the naked eye. Max difference you will see is about 75Hz. Anything above that is a minimal change. The claims that sony make don't make the TV better, it just allows them to put a larger price tag on it.

But if you are not going to change your mind, then I suggest looking at other similar set ups over the internet. A very powerful GFX ( or plural form ) will be required to even have playable frame rates.
I'll put my XBR4 up against the Pinoneer PDP-428XD (Which is in fact a Plasma not an LCD). One of the most important things to look at in a panel TV is the dynamic contrast. The Sony dynamic contrast is 3k higher. The contrast ratio is what gives a tv that image "Pop" appearance (3d). A high contrast will give you depth, dimension, and saturation. The lower the contrast the more washed out the picture is.  The Pioneer Pro series is the only one that beats the XBR4-5 (by 2000 dynamic). You would have to spend a couple grand more for a smaller tv to make up the difference. But again that TV is a Plasma, not an LCD. The sony has x.v color matching which works great. When I watch American Choppers I can see stains on black shirts. That kinda stuff I never saw with my other TV. The Sony has a much better refresh rate (no motion lag or ghosting). The Pinoneer is 50? I absolutely promise you that you can notice the difference. Watch a football game and when the ball fly's through the air you will see the stutter on lesser rates. It is especially noticeable on bigger screens. The Sony trumps the Pioneer on nearly all levels.

The motion enhancer is cool. It's hard to explain the results. We are so used to looking at TV's with an unnatural framerate that we have trained our eyese to accept it. There is always a look of confusion when one of my friends first looks at my TV with it on..lol. Running at 24 fps is cool as well. That is the way films are shot and the way directors intend them to be viewed (in theaters).

Even some of my most devoted home theater friends look in amazement at the XBR4's screen. My advice to anyone who doesn't understand why a TV cost more is to go to the store and look at them for yourself. Picture quality has to be seen, words and explanation can only go so far. The whole "you are just paying for the name" doesn't always apply in the television industry. The market is very competitive and consumers are getting smarter. Endorsements like "TV of the year" are silly imho. If I were to give it to any one manufacture it would be Samsung anyways. They developed technology to turn off each individual pixel on the screen. This completely eliminates the florescent glow that all panel televisions suffer from when the scenes are supposed to be completely dark.

As far as using a TV like this for a computer. You will probably be wasting a lot of real estate. Pay attention to the TV's max resolution. You might be buying a large TV to have an IM window the size of your head.
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topal63
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I've already seen a 1080p HDTV used as a computer monitor (1920 x 1080 res) and it looked great... seen console games on 1080p also looked great, but I have yet to see a PC game on an HDTV at the native 1920 x 1080 res.

Also, I agree the XBR is great - that and the new Samsung are the best I've seen yet.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-09 19:41:26)

Kmar
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topal63 wrote:

I've already seen a 1080p HDTV used as a computer monitor (1920 x 1080 res) and it looked great... seen console games on 1080p also looked great, but I have yet to see a PC game on an HDTV at the native 1920 x 1080 res.
Yea I tried it awhile ago with a 32" Sony LCD. I don't remember the max rez on the tv. I do remember moving into my room and saying screw that. I just believe in taking advantage of all of the extra space. My laptop has an hdmi out... maybe I should give it a whirl.
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GR34
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elbekko wrote:

An 8800GT should easily pump out 1920x1800.
Tv wont support that big of resolution only _ _ _ _x1080 I think
Kmar
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topal63 wrote:

Also, I agree the XBR is great - that and the new Samsung are the best I've seen yet.
Samsung is on the right track. Their contrast is a little misleading though. Like I said before they now have the ability to turn off individual pixels. That doesn't mean that the television will run the full color range though. Off and on at the deepest black are two different things. But eliminating the glow is indeed cool.
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topal63
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Kmarion wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I've already seen a 1080p HDTV used as a computer monitor (1920 x 1080 res) and it looked great... seen console games on 1080p also looked great, but I have yet to see a PC game on an HDTV at the native 1920 x 1080 res.
Yea I tried it awhile ago with a 32" Sony LCD. I don't remember the max rez on the tv. I do remember moving into my room and saying screw that. I just believe in taking advantage of all of the extra space. My laptop has an hdmi out... maybe I should give it a whirl.
Well I am pretty much set on the HDTV thing... as a computer monitor. What I am worried about is getting games to display at the native resolution (1920 x 1080) my new 3-way SLI 8800 will definitely pump out the pixels... but will the games support it?

I will plug my PS3, XBOX 360 elite and PC into it... I am just hoping the PC games can output 1080p, my consoles can.

_____________

Gears of War - looks really detailed and cool at 1080p on the console - so I bought the PC version... when my new computer arrives I will install Gears of War on my new PC and compare the images to the console version.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-01-09 19:52:13)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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topal63 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I've already seen a 1080p HDTV used as a computer monitor (1920 x 1080 res) and it looked great... seen console games on 1080p also looked great, but I have yet to see a PC game on an HDTV at the native 1920 x 1080 res.
Yea I tried it awhile ago with a 32" Sony LCD. I don't remember the max rez on the tv. I do remember moving into my room and saying screw that. I just believe in taking advantage of all of the extra space. My laptop has an hdmi out... maybe I should give it a whirl.
Well I am pretty much set on the HDTV thing... as a computer monitor. What I am worried about is getting games to display at the native resolution (1920 x 1080) my new 3-way SLI 8800 will definitely pump out the pixels... but will the games support it?

I will plug my PS3, XBOX 360 elite and PC into it... I am just hoping the PC games can output 1080p, my consoles can.

_____________

Gears of War - looks really detailed and cool at 1080p on the console - so I bought the PC version... when my new computer arrives I will install Gears of War on my new PC and compare the images to the console version.
I run my consoles through my receiver (Onkyo TX-SR805). It has video conversion. I play most of my games on the 360. It looks great but I will have to check and see the exact output. I have Gears of War also (For 360). I know it won't answer your PC output question.. but now you have got me wondering how my receiver is handling it .
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Marlboroman82
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I have one of these

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/16/pi … -the-year/

That is in the lobby of my office it. I use to display mostly cnn span and updated stock quotes through out the day, but there have been a few nights of cod4 action on it. Resolution on any larger tv is going to look a bit stretched. Just get a 8800gtx and you should be fine

Last edited by Marlboroman82 (2008-01-09 20:12:28)

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