Yeah, sorry, that should be 1920x1080 obviouslyGR34 wrote:
Tv wont support that big of resolution only _ _ _ _x1080 I thinkelbekko wrote:
An 8800GT should easily pump out 1920x1800.
You should just wait for the new Sony OEL to be released. 1,000,000:1 contrast.
Supposed to be the whole new way TVs are going to work. They aren't even LCD.
But yeah, my knowledge on TVs is slightly limited, I only saw that the Pioneer won an award for best TV of 2007.
Supposed to be the whole new way TVs are going to work. They aren't even LCD.
But yeah, my knowledge on TVs is slightly limited, I only saw that the Pioneer won an award for best TV of 2007.
I saw that one on display at the Sony Shop. OMG, it is wafer thin, flexible even, almost like a fabric; and the clarity, contrast, color - amazing!Zimmer wrote:
You should just wait for the new Sony OEL to be released. 1,000,000:1 contrast.
Supposed to be the whole new way TVs are going to work. They aren't even LCD.
But yeah, my knowledge on TVs is slightly limited, I only saw that the Pioneer won an award for best TV of 2007.
To output from an Xbox 360 at 720p - you need a VGA cable that you have to purchase separately. Most newer HDTVs have a PC (VGA) input in the back... some only the HDMI.Kmarion wrote:
I run my consoles through my receiver (Onkyo TX-SR805). It has video conversion. I play most of my games on the 360. It looks great but I will have to check and see the exact output. I have Gears of War also (For 360). I know it won't answer your PC output question.. but now you have got me wondering how my receiver is handling it .topal63 wrote:
Well I am pretty much set on the HDTV thing... as a computer monitor. What I am worried about is getting games to display at the native resolution (1920 x 1080) my new 3-way SLI 8800 will definitely pump out the pixels... but will the games support it?Kmarion wrote:
Yea I tried it awhile ago with a 32" Sony LCD. I don't remember the max rez on the tv. I do remember moving into my room and saying screw that. I just believe in taking advantage of all of the extra space. My laptop has an hdmi out... maybe I should give it a whirl.
I will plug my PS3, XBOX 360 elite and PC into it... I am just hoping the PC games can output 1080p, my consoles can.
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Gears of War - looks really detailed and cool at 1080p on the console - so I bought the PC version... when my new computer arrives I will install Gears of War on my new PC and compare the images to the console version.
To output from an Xbox 360 elite at 1080p (HDMI) - you need, well an Xbox 360 elite with the HDMI cable.
If you don't (have the special cable) the image quality is dramatically lower in quality & resolution... it's a normal composite low-res. NTSC signal - I think?
Most console games are not actually rendered in 1080p, I think not more than 720p (max-ed @ about 1366 x 768), or even less in the case of COD4 and Halo 3 - @ 600p. Then the image-frame is scaled to the Native resolutions of 720p or 1080p and then output. The built-in console image-scaling technology is very good though.
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Yeah I know, I was meaning they dont seem toi be doing large LCDs (ala 40''+) they seem to go plasma. And u sure the Pioneer PDP-428XD is LCD? I was under the impression Pioneer where plasma only.Zimmer wrote:
Bell, the best LCD tv out right now is a Pioneer PDP-428XD. Also, Panasonics are not only LCD. One of the best 26in LCDs is a Panasonic.
Martyn
I had a standard 360 using an HDMI through my receiver last night (component from my 360 to my receiver). It was being output at 720p. I of course tried 1080p , but the screen went black and came back. I was playing Assassins creed.topal63 wrote:
To output from an Xbox 360 at 720p - you need a VGA cable that you have to purchase separately. Most newer HDTVs have a PC (VGA) input in the back... some only the HDMI.Kmarion wrote:
I run my consoles through my receiver (Onkyo TX-SR805). It has video conversion. I play most of my games on the 360. It looks great but I will have to check and see the exact output. I have Gears of War also (For 360). I know it won't answer your PC output question.. but now you have got me wondering how my receiver is handling it .topal63 wrote:
Well I am pretty much set on the HDTV thing... as a computer monitor. What I am worried about is getting games to display at the native resolution (1920 x 1080) my new 3-way SLI 8800 will definitely pump out the pixels... but will the games support it?
I will plug my PS3, XBOX 360 elite and PC into it... I am just hoping the PC games can output 1080p, my consoles can.
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Gears of War - looks really detailed and cool at 1080p on the console - so I bought the PC version... when my new computer arrives I will install Gears of War on my new PC and compare the images to the console version.
To output from an Xbox 360 elite at 1080p (HDMI) - you need, well an Xbox 360 elite with the HDMI cable.
If you don't (have the special cable) the image quality is dramatically lower in quality & resolution... it's a normal composite low-res. NTSC signal - I think?
Most console games are not actually rendered in 1080p, I think not more than 720p (max-ed @ about 1366 x 768), or even less in the case of COD4 and Halo 3 - @ 600p. Then the image-frame is scaled to the Native resolutions of 720p or 1080p and then output. The built-in console image-scaling technology is very good though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
What cable are you connecting the Xbox-360 to the receiver? If it is a normal composite or even 3-component cable the quality will be less than if it is either a special-bought; does not come with the console; VGA-cable for the normal Xbox-360; or an HDMI cable for the Xbox-360 elite.
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There is a switch on the standard Xbox-360 cable for the 3-component output @ 720p; but I assure you; it is not the same quality signal as the VGA-cable outputting @ 720p.
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There is a switch on the standard Xbox-360 cable for the 3-component output @ 720p; but I assure you; it is not the same quality signal as the VGA-cable outputting @ 720p.
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It's component from my 360 to my receiver. My receiver is converting it up and sending it to my TV through my HDMI connection.topal63 wrote:
What cable are you connecting the Xbox-360 to the receiver? If it is a normal composite or even 3-component cable the quality will be less than if it is either a special-bought; does not come with the console; VGA-cable for the normal Xbox-360; or an HDMI cable for the Xbox-360 elite.
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That's why I bought the special (Xbox-360) VGA cable... the image-quality @ 720p is really better. Dramatically better than the 3-component signal.Kmarion wrote:
It's component from my 360 to my receiver. My receiver is converting it up and sending it to my TV through my HDMI connection.topal63 wrote:
What cable are you connecting the Xbox-360 to the receiver? If it is a normal composite or even 3-component cable the quality will be less than if it is either a special-bought; does not come with the console; VGA-cable for the normal Xbox-360; or an HDMI cable for the Xbox-360 elite.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable
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At the same resolution and format?topal63 wrote:
That's why I bought the special (Xbox-360) VGA cable... the image-quality @ 720p is really better. Dramatically better than the 3-component signal.Kmarion wrote:
It's component from my 360 to my receiver. My receiver is converting it up and sending it to my TV through my HDMI connection.topal63 wrote:
What cable are you connecting the Xbox-360 to the receiver? If it is a normal composite or even 3-component cable the quality will be less than if it is either a special-bought; does not come with the console; VGA-cable for the normal Xbox-360; or an HDMI cable for the Xbox-360 elite.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
It's a different signal. It's the signal quality than makes the difference.
The signal transferred on the VGA-cable is a true digital signal.
3-component is an analog conversion from a digital source (in terms of the Xbox-360 anyways).
The signal transferred on the VGA-cable is a true digital signal.
3-component is an analog conversion from a digital source (in terms of the Xbox-360 anyways).
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
Yeppers...
A true HD digital signal.
Edit: I guess, I be wrong...
A true HD digital signal.
Edit: I guess, I be wrong...
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That cable is? I have that one, connect it to my Samsung monitor.
I still saw a noticeable difference with the 3 separate HDMI cables ( the ones supplied ) on an HD Ready Samsung.
So you want a TV with a VGA input?
I still saw a noticeable difference with the 3 separate HDMI cables ( the ones supplied ) on an HD Ready Samsung.
So you want a TV with a VGA input?
I bought my son a video capture card for Christmas. And had to get a component signal splitter/amplifier from radio shack. He connected the old-Xbox-360 component cable to his HDTV so he could capture game-videos. One feed to the HDTV one feed to the PC (captured).
Now, when he really wants to just play a game... he can't stand the loss of image quality and will go to the trouble of disconnecting the standard Xbox 360 cable in favor of the VGA digital cable (to bad the Xbox-360 does not have 2 outputs).
He goes to the all-the-trouble because the image quality is that much better.
Now, when he really wants to just play a game... he can't stand the loss of image quality and will go to the trouble of disconnecting the standard Xbox 360 cable in favor of the VGA digital cable (to bad the Xbox-360 does not have 2 outputs).
He goes to the all-the-trouble because the image quality is that much better.
Cool. I don't think there would be a problem running it through my receiver. That is a must for me.topal63 wrote:
Yeppers...
A true HD digital signal.
I'll grab one tonight on the way home from work.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
VGAZimmer wrote:
That cable is? I have that one, connect it to my Samsung monitor.
I still saw a noticeable difference with the 3 separate HDMI cables ( the ones supplied ) on an HD Ready Samsung.
So you want a TV with a VGA input?
or
HDMI
Either is digital. All HDTVs have HDMI, some have VGA.
Digital VGA input is compatible with the older original Xbox-360; if you buy the special cable.
Digital HDMI is compatible with the newer Xbox-360 elite.
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VGA is better than HDMI?
And here I thought it was the other way around
And here I thought it was the other way around
I don't see a VGA port anywhere in that pic. A bunch of HDMI's - but no VGA connector.Kmarion wrote:
Cool. I don't think there would be a problem running it through my receiver. That is a must for me.topal63 wrote:
Yeppers...
A true HD digital signal.
http://i15.tinypic.com/8dz0jfr.jpg
I'll grab one tonight on the way home from work.
It's the same image-quality... both are digital, sound is better on the HDMI, it is digital. VGA is an image only connector. The sound source is analog and connects to the standard RCA stereo input.Jenspm wrote:
VGA is better than HDMI?
And here I thought it was the other way around
The only reason for the VGA cable is strictly dependent upon the type of Xbox-360 you have.
a.) Original Xbox-360 requires a special bought VGA cable. There is no HDMI cable for this model.
b.) The newer Xbox-360 elite can connect through HDMI... it's the sound output from the original (to elite) that makes them different.
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Top-left?topal63 wrote:
I don't see a VGA port anywhere in pic. A bunch of HDMI's - but no VGA connector.Kmarion wrote:
Cool. I don't think there would be a problem running it through my receiver. That is a must for me.topal63 wrote:
Yeppers...
A true HD digital signal.
http://i15.tinypic.com/8dz0jfr.jpg
I'll grab one tonight on the way home from work.
From Microsoft:Jenspm wrote:
VGA is better than HDMI?
And here I thought it was the other way around
Now, for my most burning question: Would the HDMI connection be noticeably better than the VGA connection I was already using?
In a word: No.
An email to my Xbox press contact, asking for clarification, received this reply:
As you mention, the console can output 1080p resolution video over both VGA and HDMI. There may be very, very subtle differences depending on a consumer’s display, but we wouldn’t expect many people to notice.
There will be a difference between HD DVD video played over component and that played over HDMI. The content protection policies of HD DVD allow a maximum output of 1080i over component, so if you have HDMI (or VGA for that matter) you will get the full 1080p resolution.
In the end, by supporting HDMI we are giving our customers who have HD displays another option in the case their display doesn’t support VGA, plus they get the benefit of audio and video over a single cable.
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Thats not VGA... thats a RS232 comm-port.Jenspm wrote:
Top-left?topal63 wrote:
I don't see a VGA port anywhere in pic. A bunch of HDMI's - but no VGA connector.Kmarion wrote:
Cool. I don't think there would be a problem running it through my receiver. That is a must for me.
http://i15.tinypic.com/8dz0jfr.jpg
I'll grab one tonight on the way home from work.
You sure VGA carries a digital signal? Last time, I checked. Both component and VGA are analog. HDMI and DVI are digital.topal63 wrote:
The signal transferred on the VGA-cable is a true digital signal.
Exactly what I thought.r'Eeee wrote:
You sure VGA carries a digital signal? Last time, I checked. Both component and VGA are analog. HDMI and DVI are digital.topal63 wrote:
The signal transferred on the VGA-cable is a true digital signal.
You're sort-of exactly right... but it's technical. And, there is almost no difference in image-quality from between HDMI-DVI and VGA.r'Eeee wrote:
You sure VGA carries a digital signal? Last time, I checked. Both component and VGA are analog. HDMI and DVI are digital.topal63 wrote:
The signal transferred on the VGA-cable is a true digital signal.
VGA was specifically designed for CRT refresh schemes.
DVI was made for modern LCD refresh scanning schemes (a bit different than VGA).
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PS: None of that matters though; the point is that an older Xbox-360 does not have an HDMI cable for it. The best image quality possible is carried on a VGA-cable.
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