YesLoonyk wrote:
Is there any americains still over there...I know other country have troops there:
Question: Is your country have troop there...and if yes where are you from, what do you think about having troop in Afghanistan
Remember when the soviets tried to do the same things over there.. They left after losing a bunch of soldiers..CaptainMike wrote:
I'm Canadian as well and I think we should stay. We made the commitment and said we were going to stay, we can't bail out now. Yes, we have casualties, but think of what would happen if everyone just pulled out of Afghanistan. We would most likely lose all or most of the progress that has been done there.
Untrue and kinda out of context. The "Godless" Russians invaded Afghanistan, the Mujahadean were freedom fighters and did a very good job (thanks to US arms help) at repelling the Russian invasion... after ten years.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Remember when the soviets tried to do the same things over there.. They left after losing a bunch of soldiers..
The same will happen with us..
our presence there is the main motivation of the crazy islamists..
the bad weather argument they gave is total bullcrap^*AlphA*^ wrote:
Yes,
The Netherlands..
2 died yesterday because of friendly fire (bad weather, no air support) 14 death in total.
I support them over there tho, they're doing some good, and are committed to do there job and they know the risk better then anyone else.
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I understand what you mean.. make no mistake i think that our soldiers are doing a great job.. and the goal of giving a better life to the Afghan people is a great idea. I sure hope that in the future they will be able to live a better life.ReTox wrote:
Untrue and kinda out of context. The "Godless" Russians invaded Afghanistan, the Mujahadean were freedom fighters and did a very good job (thanks to US arms help) at repelling the Russian invasion... after ten years.
Our situation is very very different. The Afghan government WANTS us there. So much so they are begging that we do not leave before the work is done, before the nation is secure and standing on its own feet. And our presence doesn't motivate the extremists... they are motivated by power and greed like most warlords, the regular Al-Qeada soldier likely thinks it is totally about the jihad but that is also a lie told by the power hungry to herd the sweep their way.
Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with religion. These fucks use Islam, a wonderful peaceful religion, and twist it to suit their needs... they do not act for anything higher than their own ambitions.
I would like to know what world you live in.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Unless we start the save the entire world from evil, i will always see that mission for what it is: a lie.
I just think its strange that the only people we are willing to save from evil are where the oil is.usmarine2005 wrote:
I would like to know what world you live in.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Unless we start the save the entire world from evil, i will always see that mission for what it is: a lie.
Aahhhh, boo hooo. What are you so scared of, its not like youre over there. Go ask your soldiers (Canadians) if they dont think its a just cause and whether they should leave. They would all be very ashamed that a fellow Canadian doesnt appreciate their work and doesnt think that they are making a difference.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Remember when the soviets tried to do the same things over there.. They left after losing a bunch of soldiers..CaptainMike wrote:
I'm Canadian as well and I think we should stay. We made the commitment and said we were going to stay, we can't bail out now. Yes, we have casualties, but think of what would happen if everyone just pulled out of Afghanistan. We would most likely lose all or most of the progress that has been done there.
The same will happen with us..
our presence there is the main motivation of the crazy islamists..
What does that have to do with anything? It does not matter what I care about.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
North Korea and African countries haven't attacked us... the Taliban did so we fight them. Big difference and also the reason we didn't go into Iraq.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I just think its strange that the only people we are willing to save from evil are where the oil is.usmarine2005 wrote:
I would like to know what world you live in.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Unless we start the save the entire world from evil, i will always see that mission for what it is: a lie.
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
North Korea and Dafur are not threats to International Security.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
The entire "peacekeeping" bit that Canadians like to be proud of is nothing more than nationalistic crap that has been inflated by a need for a national identity.ReTox wrote:
I am an ex soldier in the Canadian military.
It is never easy to hear about comrades who have fallen or are injured. It is certainly never easy for the families that lose their love ones. I say that as totally truth that we all know and can understand.
Now here comes the rub... soldiers die. That is their job, not literally but their job is such that death is always there. Soldiers accept this and I doubt you will find too many soldiers that think what we are doing in Afghanistan is wrong or not worth it. Canada has had, and I'm very proud of it, a history of peace making. Our role in the UN is unprecedented and our ability to find common ground and deliver a safer life for the "locals" is something I am very proud of.
I believe that the Soviet example will serve as context to Canada's occupation. The situation in Afghanistan even after six years is still inconsistent and not necessarily strong. Some regions are out of control, there remains a strong resistance force that has lasted years, warlords still have a great deal of power, and democracy in Afghanistan has proved that prior customs of Islam remain strong, even nearing the levels of Taliban authority. The Soviets deployed hundreds of thousands, and were not successful. While they were not committed to humanitarian activities as NATO has, it is difficult to imagine that the small efforts taken by a small international force can make enough of a difference. There are Afghans who wish us gone- And not necessarily radical Muslims. Any foreign army in another country will be opposed by some part of the population. Afghanistan has a history of turning away foreigners, beginning with the British during the Great Race.ReTox wrote:
Our role right now is mainly combat but it is also reconstruction and, for lack of a better word, public relations. I honestly don't think any other nation currently with troops in Afghanistan has a better chance of securing a better life for the Afghan people. A people who have been dealing with war and destruction for almost 50 years. They deserve so much better than that.
The only people who don't need/want us there are the extremists and that is because they know we will succeed. The regular Afghan people, for the most part, are starting to see the other things we are doing. Building schools, improving sanitation and water availability, and keeping them a safe as possible is making a difference. More and more Afghans are seeing that they could actually have some semblance of a peaceful life.Untrue and kinda out of context. The "Godless" Russians invaded Afghanistan, the Mujahadean were freedom fighters and did a very good job (thanks to US arms help) at repelling the Russian invasion... after ten years.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Remember when the soviets tried to do the same things over there.. They left after losing a bunch of soldiers..
The same will happen with us..
our presence there is the main motivation of the crazy islamists..
Our situation is very very different. The Afghan government WANTS us there. So much so they are begging that we do not leave before the work is done, before the nation is secure and standing on its own feet. And our presence doesn't motivate the extremists... they are motivated by power and greed like most warlords, the regular Al-Qeada soldier likely thinks it is totally about the jihad but that is also a lie told by the power hungry to herd the sweep their way.
Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with religion. These fucks use Islam, a wonderful peaceful religion, and twist it to suit their needs... they do not act for anything higher than their own ambitions.
Most Canadians appreciate the efforts of the soldiers. Do not propagate those lies that insist that an anti-war person must disrespect the individual soldiers. It is this exact line of thinking that initiated the 'I Support Our Troops' bumper stickers in Canada.NantanCochise wrote:
Aahhhh, boo hooo. What are you so scared of, its not like youre over there. Go ask your soldiers (Canadians) if they dont think its a just cause and whether they should leave. They would all be very ashamed that a fellow Canadian doesnt appreciate their work and doesnt think that they are making a difference.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Remember when the soviets tried to do the same things over there.. They left after losing a bunch of soldiers..CaptainMike wrote:
I'm Canadian as well and I think we should stay. We made the commitment and said we were going to stay, we can't bail out now. Yes, we have casualties, but think of what would happen if everyone just pulled out of Afghanistan. We would most likely lose all or most of the progress that has been done there.
The same will happen with us..
our presence there is the main motivation of the crazy islamists..
I knew those two. My best friend is in Afghanistan, and the two guys who died were in his squad. They were his corporal and a squad mate. I'd like to see my friend get home before he gets killed.^*AlphA*^ wrote:
Yes,
The Netherlands..
2 died yesterday because of friendly fire (bad weather, no air support) 14 death in total.
I support them over there tho, they're doing some good, and are committed to do there job and they know the risk better then anyone else.
Shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.dayarath wrote:
the bad weather argument they gave is total bullcrap
obviously something went wrong when they were sent up forward, someone didn't tell the others those two were going.
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The taliban never attacked us canadians and they never attacked the US either. Ben laden did it.. Ben laden is not a taliban.. hes an international terrorist who is now hiding in Pakistan. If we really want to get him and help our fellow americans, i think we should go in Pakistan and get him.ReTox wrote:
North Korea and African countries haven't attacked us... the Taliban did so we fight them. Big difference and also the reason we didn't go into Iraq.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I just think its strange that the only people we are willing to save from evil are where the oil is.usmarine2005 wrote:
I would like to know what world you live in.
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
And we do engage in matters involving other nations... we just don't go in guns blazing for no reason other than "I think you are evil".
um the Taliban were not a threat to international security, they were just a bunch of religion weirdos hiding in caves.stryyker wrote:
North Korea and Dafur are not threats to International Security.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
Just an insecure Asian dictator and a mob of machete wielding crazies.
Let them initiate the fight before we carpet bomb them into the stone age.
Why dont you graduate from the first grade before trying to make any comment that makes you look like a 2 year old, seriously. What on earth are you talking about.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
um the Taliban were not a threat to international security, they were just a bunch of religion weirdos hiding in caves.stryyker wrote:
North Korea and Dafur are not threats to International Security.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Don't you care about north koreans? or darfurians (people in darfur)?
Just an insecure Asian dictator and a mob of machete wielding crazies.
Let them initiate the fight before we carpet bomb them into the stone age.
If you talk about Ben laden who could be considered a threat to international security, then what are you waiting for to go get him in pakistan? We all know hes in there.
And in my opinion, North Korea is ten times more a threat to international security than Iraq or afghanistan ever were, they already have nukes and are testing them left and right.
You are burning yourselves in those wars, only for the benefit of a small group of warmongerers. if at least your country was benefiting from all of this but no..
I wasnt replying to you kid. You don't need to understandNantanCochise wrote:
Why dont you graduate from the first grade before trying to make any comment that makes you look like a 2 year old, seriously. What on earth are you talking about.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
um the Taliban were not a threat to international security, they were just a bunch of religion weirdos hiding in caves.stryyker wrote:
North Korea and Dafur are not threats to International Security.
Just an insecure Asian dictator and a mob of machete wielding crazies.
Let them initiate the fight before we carpet bomb them into the stone age.
If you talk about Ben laden who could be considered a threat to international security, then what are you waiting for to go get him in pakistan? We all know hes in there.
And in my opinion, North Korea is ten times more a threat to international security than Iraq or afghanistan ever were, they already have nukes and are testing them left and right.
You are burning yourselves in those wars, only for the benefit of a small group of warmongerers. if at least your country was benefiting from all of this but no..