I'm not religious and I don't support the death penalty, except in extreme cases. What I never understood, and I'd like some people with religious beliefs to explain, is the fact that they believe in God and support the death penalty all at the same time. How is that possible? What happened with "God gives life and only God can take it away" or "Only God can judge you"? Please, let's try to avoid another religious v. atheists flame war if possible.
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God never said there couldn't be a death penalty. There are certain crimes which are atrocious enough to warrant a death penalty. In these cases, the criminal has forfeited their right to live. There is no more place for them in this world. These monsters will NEVER be able to become a decent member of society.
Of course only if it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually guilty.
Also I don't know where you got those quotes from, but of course it isn't true that "Only God can judge". That would mean that no one could be sentenced to anything, ever.
Of course only if it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually guilty.
Also I don't know where you got those quotes from, but of course it isn't true that "Only God can judge". That would mean that no one could be sentenced to anything, ever.
Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2008-01-16 10:52:13)
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I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
Last edited by sergeriver (2008-01-16 10:55:53)
They fucking don't.
But, do you honestly think God would want one another to kill?sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
well, apparently God doesnt only support the death sentence, but actually encourages dismembermant such as chopping off hands or stoned to death - its all subjective to whatever fits the needs of the religion in question
I really don't know. If he doesn't want us to kill each other, he shouldn't agree with death penalty IMO. But I ain't God, lol.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
But, do you honestly think God would want one another to kill?sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
always confused me. Taking the power of god into your own hands to exact retribution. sounds like a bunch of sinning.
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.LaidBackNinja wrote:
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
I believe in both God and the death penalty, if you commited a crime like murder, you can and will be punished for it, in different ways in different cultures and countries, God didn't want humans to kill one another, even though he knew we would.
Well, I feel the same.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
always confused me. Taking the power of god into your own hands to exact retribution. sounds like a bunch of sinning.
Thou shalt not kill. It's in there in your Jew-Christ-Islam commandments. Therefore you shall not kill.
But Moses did it (Egyptians amirite), Muhammad did it (oh he fucking did it like a motherfucker). Jesus.....nah Jesus was cool , but Christianity was never about Jesus anyway.
End of story.
But Moses did it (Egyptians amirite), Muhammad did it (oh he fucking did it like a motherfucker). Jesus.....nah Jesus was cool , but Christianity was never about Jesus anyway.
End of story.
And what? Death penalty is here, and will be for ever, God would want us to have it to punish the criminals, if you don't want to die, don't kill someone.sergeriver wrote:
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.LaidBackNinja wrote:
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.
life is cheap
No, its not.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
life is cheap
What makes you say that?
No, its not the end, if God didn't want people to kill, and they do, he wouldn't mind them being punished with death.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Thou shalt not kill. It's in there in your Jew-Christ-Islam commandments. Therefore you shall not kill.
But Moses did it (Egyptians amirite), Muhammad did it (oh he fucking did it like a motherfucker). Jesus.....nah Jesus was cool , but Christianity was never about Jesus anyway.
End of story.
None taken, as I'm neither Christian nor Muslim. However, I don't see what the problem is, I honestly don't. It is forbidden to kill another person. If you violate this law, you have forfeited your place in this world. Hence, you might be sentenced to the death penalty, depending on the circumstances.sergeriver wrote:
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.LaidBackNinja wrote:
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.sergeriver wrote:
But in the Bible God advocates the killing of Humans. Deuteronomy is a bit violent if you ask me. And some parts of the Qu'ran are too.
I don't see where you people get the idea that religions should have nothing to do with violence. Violence is sometimes the only way, and even war can be permitted if it is justified. So is self defense. The death penalty is society's self defense against monsters who have no place on our planet.
Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2008-01-16 11:04:54)
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What happened with "God gives life and only God can take it away" or "Only God can judge you"?Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
And what? Death penalty is here, and will be for ever, God would want us to have it to punish the criminals, if you don't want to die, don't kill someone.sergeriver wrote:
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.LaidBackNinja wrote:
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.
Gays:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them - Leviticus 20:13
Murderers:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed - Genesis 9:6
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them - Leviticus 20:13
Murderers:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed - Genesis 9:6
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I agree but again, I heard a lot of times "God gives life and only God can take it away" or "Only God can judge you".LaidBackNinja wrote:
None taken, as I'm neither Christian nor Muslim. However, I don't see what the problem is, I honestly don't. It is forbidden to kill another person. If you violate this law, you have forfeited your place in this world. Hence, you might be sentenced to the death penalty, depending on the circumstances.sergeriver wrote:
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.LaidBackNinja wrote:
Are you asking a question or are you beating on religion? Because I can't tell.
I don't see where you people get the idea that religions should have nothing to do with violence. Violence is sometimes the only way, and even war can be permitted if it is justified. So is self defense. The death penalty is society's self defense against monsters who have no place on our planet.
yes it is.Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
No, its not.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
life is cheap
What makes you say that?
God has already judged that murder is punishable by death. Not killing, because you can kill someone by accident or in self-defense. My point is that the judging part has already been done.sergeriver wrote:
What happened with "God gives life and only God can take it away" or "Only God can judge you"?Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:
And what? Death penalty is here, and will be for ever, God would want us to have it to punish the criminals, if you don't want to die, don't kill someone.sergeriver wrote:
No, I'm just saying that some parts of the Bible or Qu'ran seem a bit violent, that's all. No offense.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
You don't even realise the hypocrisy just there. At first I was thinking you were actually pointing it out, but you weren't. Which is hilarious imo.Hakei wrote:
Gays:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them - Leviticus 20:13
Murderers:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed - Genesis 9:6
And Arnott what you said when you quoted me didn't make sense, rephrase.
Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-01-16 11:07:58)
Mek-Izzle wrote:
They fucking don't.
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