People shouldn't be stirring things up anyway. Things are finally peaceful apart from minor incidents. We withdrew our troops... The last thing anyone should be doing is risking pissing people off.
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lol. You dont seem to realise that religion rarely effects any major decisions in the last 20 years in England. I guess your more primitive in Ireland and let religion dictate your lives. And yes adults are having a conversation here... you not being one of them.
I like you Vilham ...always good for a giggle. You remind of the kind of archetypal 'oop North' lad who races off to join the British army and goes off to fight in a land you have no business being in and end up hating all 'Paddies' because they have the brazen cheek to be annoyed by your presence there. No point trying to convince you on anything in the North so I'll save us the circular argument.Vilham wrote:
lol. You dont seem to realise that religion rarely effects any major decisions in the last 20 years in England. I guess your more primitive in Ireland and let religion dictate your lives. And yes adults are having a conversation here... you not being one of them.
Religion was not a central factor in the troubles in the North but it was still an important factor. People didn't join the IRA because of their Catholic beliefs, it just so happened that many Republicans came from a Catholic background. I have republican beliefs and personally I think Protestantism makes more sense than Catholicism (if I was going to pick a nonsensical religion to follow I'd pick Protestantism over Catholicism as it uses marginally more logic ...if that's possible in religion). Religion was, in certain ways, used as a means of maintaining a societal hierarchy loyal to the crown. Back in the day if you wanted to go to school you had to renounce your Catholicism and embrace Anglicanism, otherwise you had to meet up secretly to learn at a hedge school and risk punishment from the authorities (heaven forbid us savages should try and educate ourselves!).
It's quite funny really, the Unionists are still trying to destroy Gaelic culture and heritage and it won't be long (another 10-20 years or so) until the tables are turned and they will have to campaign to preserve their 'unique' culture and heritage ...like their hilarious made-up Ulster Scoots language.
On the issue of Gaelic Games in other countries ...well I happen to work for a magazine called 'GaelicGamesUK' believe it or not. I can tell you that it's extremely popular among the Irish populations everywhere from America to Argentina to the Cayman Islands. There is also a club in Rennes, France that we done a special story on that don't have any Irish players, they are all French.
Well that pretty much sums me up...Braddock wrote:
I like you Vilham ...always good for a giggle. You remind of the kind of archetypal 'oop North' lad who races off to join the British army and goes off to fight
Won't be long eh? What have you got in store for us now?Braddock wrote:
It's quite funny really, the Unionists are still trying to destroy Gaelic culture and heritage and it won't be long (another 10-20 years or so) until the tables are turned and they will have to campaign to preserve their 'unique' culture and heritage ...like their hilarious made-up Ulster Scoots language.
Last edited by jord (2008-01-18 13:16:39)
I think he means someday nationalists will outnumber loyalists and there will be a united Ireland after a quick referemdum, they wont even have to fire a shot.
Im not sure if im in favour of this though.
Im not sure if im in favour of this though.
Last edited by Jepeto87 (2008-01-18 13:49:39)
I am. I cant wait till Ireland fucks off and bes Ireland. I really dont care what they do. Aslong as they stupid bitching like little girls.
Braddock the last time there was trouble in NI was nearly 10 years ago now... Religion has little factor in the UK, I dont even consider NI part of the UK. And the key factor is that the sport is only played by Irish people. Therefore as i previously stated I dont care if you have ur tune or not, I dont see why you shouldnt have it in your game.
And as to your sweeping conclusion of me, im the total opposite of that, Im against war, coz tbh I dont give a shit what anyone else does with their time. Its when people in Ireland demand that NI joins Ireland even if they people dont want it that i care.
Braddock the last time there was trouble in NI was nearly 10 years ago now... Religion has little factor in the UK, I dont even consider NI part of the UK. And the key factor is that the sport is only played by Irish people. Therefore as i previously stated I dont care if you have ur tune or not, I dont see why you shouldnt have it in your game.
And as to your sweeping conclusion of me, im the total opposite of that, Im against war, coz tbh I dont give a shit what anyone else does with their time. Its when people in Ireland demand that NI joins Ireland even if they people dont want it that i care.
Last edited by Vilham (2008-01-18 14:17:50)
Clearly you are not up to date with what is going on then - Loyalist paramilitaries are beating people and parading them up and down the streets with placards to display their control over "their" areas and not the agents of Law and Order, Attacks are still prevalent on orange halls regularly, dissident Republicans have attempted to murder police men in Derry twice, and the IRA have been accused of a murder all in the last 12 months.. Yeah everything is tickety boo here mate.Vilham wrote:
I am. I cant wait till Ireland fucks off and bes Ireland. I really dont care what they do. Aslong as they stupid bitching like little girls.
Braddock the last time there was trouble in NI was nearly 10 years ago now... Religion has little factor in the UK, I dont even consider NI part of the UK. And the key factor is that the sport is only played by Irish people. Therefore as i previously stated I dont care if you have ur tune or not, I dont see why you shouldnt have it in your game.
And as to your sweeping conclusion of me, im the total opposite of that, Im against war, coz tbh I dont give a shit what anyone else does with their time. Its when people in Ireland demand that NI joins Ireland even if they people dont want it that i care.
Braddock of course Religion played a major part in the troubles, you need to look up "sectarian" in the dictionary the troubles were a sectarian war mate, like a neighbour of mine, she was shot dead infront of her two children as she played with them, alledgely by Billy Wrights LVF with RUC collusion, for the crime of being "Catholic" not for being a Republican, as were countless hundreds other murders..
I know it was a sectarian war, don't worry! I was just talking to Vilham about how religion was originally used in decision making and policy to reinforce the British (predominantly Protestant) hierarchy as he was claiming religion had nothing to do with decisions made in England. In the North during the troubles it was very much a case of born a catholic always a catholic (and vice versa for Protestants) in the eyes of the 'enemy' and this was a convenient way of identifying the division in society. A UDA or IRA paramilitary wouldn't have been too interested if you were atheist and didn't attend church. On a fundamental level though the issue of the North was purely about land and subjugation, religion just happened to be inextricably weaved into the problem.IG-Calibre wrote:
Clearly you are not up to date with what is going on then - Loyalist paramilitaries are beating people and parading them up and down the streets with placards to display their control over "their" areas and not the agents of Law and Order, Attacks are still prevalent on orange halls regularly, dissident Republicans have attempted to murder police men in Derry twice, and the IRA have been accused of a murder all in the last 12 months.. Yeah everything is tickety boo here mate.Vilham wrote:
I am. I cant wait till Ireland fucks off and bes Ireland. I really dont care what they do. Aslong as they stupid bitching like little girls.
Braddock the last time there was trouble in NI was nearly 10 years ago now... Religion has little factor in the UK, I dont even consider NI part of the UK. And the key factor is that the sport is only played by Irish people. Therefore as i previously stated I dont care if you have ur tune or not, I dont see why you shouldnt have it in your game.
And as to your sweeping conclusion of me, im the total opposite of that, Im against war, coz tbh I dont give a shit what anyone else does with their time. Its when people in Ireland demand that NI joins Ireland even if they people dont want it that i care.
Braddock of course Religion played a major part in the troubles, you need to look up "sectarian" in the dictionary the troubles were a sectarian war mate, like a neighbour of mine, she was shot dead infront of her two children as she played with them, alledgely by Billy Wrights LVF with RUC collusion, for the crime of being "Catholic" not for being a Republican, as were countless hundreds other murders..
never even heard the Irish natioal anthem, its not a drinkin song is it
Oh right, i see your point now, tbh any Loyalist on the forum (of which i'm sure there are many) who reads Vilams drivel would be particularly repulsed by his ignorance i'd imagine, not to mention his apparent indifference to all those who gave their lives for Queen and country. Amazing how indifferent people are to the suffering of their fellow citizens within their own borders, i'm sure it swells their heart with pride..Braddock wrote:
I know it was a sectarian war, don't worry! I was just talking to Vilham about how religion was originally used in decision making and policy to reinforce the British (predominantly Protestant) hierarchy as he was claiming religion had nothing to do with decisions made in England. In the North during the troubles it was very much a case of born a catholic always a catholic (and vice versa for Protestants) in the eyes of the 'enemy' and this was a convenient way of identifying the division in society. A UDA or IRA paramilitary wouldn't have been too interested if you were atheist and didn't attend church. On a fundamental level though the issue of the North was purely about land and subjugation, religion just happened to be inextricably weaved into the problem.IG-Calibre wrote:
Clearly you are not up to date with what is going on then - Loyalist paramilitaries are beating people and parading them up and down the streets with placards to display their control over "their" areas and not the agents of Law and Order, Attacks are still prevalent on orange halls regularly, dissident Republicans have attempted to murder police men in Derry twice, and the IRA have been accused of a murder all in the last 12 months.. Yeah everything is tickety boo here mate.Vilham wrote:
I am. I cant wait till Ireland fucks off and bes Ireland. I really dont care what they do. Aslong as they stupid bitching like little girls.
Braddock the last time there was trouble in NI was nearly 10 years ago now... Religion has little factor in the UK, I dont even consider NI part of the UK. And the key factor is that the sport is only played by Irish people. Therefore as i previously stated I dont care if you have ur tune or not, I dont see why you shouldnt have it in your game.
And as to your sweeping conclusion of me, im the total opposite of that, Im against war, coz tbh I dont give a shit what anyone else does with their time. Its when people in Ireland demand that NI joins Ireland even if they people dont want it that i care.
Braddock of course Religion played a major part in the troubles, you need to look up "sectarian" in the dictionary the troubles were a sectarian war mate, like a neighbour of mine, she was shot dead infront of her two children as she played with them, alledgely by Billy Wrights LVF with RUC collusion, for the crime of being "Catholic" not for being a Republican, as were countless hundreds other murders..
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The IRA that won the war of Independence is different than the northern provisional IRA which broke away from it decades ago. So you see it is possible to support the old IRA without supporting the provisional IRA.Vilham wrote:
lol i love you IG. If i support my troops im a monster. If i dont i should be ashamed. haha. How about a big... fuck you.
Bit hypocritical of you isnt it? Supporting the IRA who blow up your own people... and I dont want to hear any "i dont support the IRA" based on things you have written, I know you might not admit it right out that u support what they did, but as it brought u freedom you do feel that.
Vilham you really are an ignorant little cunt aren't you? Your only basis of judging my support of the IRA is the fact that I am an unashamed Irish man, from a Catholic background, who lives in Northern Ireland, who is critical of the British state and the Crown's actions here - er go your offensive little accusation. I've told you before you odious cretin that I don't support now or never have done the actions of the IRA during the troubles. You are the prime example of all pricks that probably think all Muslims support Al qaeda. My position on the IRA has been made clear, and I wish the fucking mods in this forum would do there fucking jobs when asked to. I can't believe that this offensive base less accusation is still allowed to posted here
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[13:44:00] <Zimmer> I hate the fact that people report all these postsIG-Calibre wrote:
Vilham you really are an ignorant little cunt aren't you? Your only basis of judging my support of the IRA is the fact that I am an unashamed Irish man, from a Catholic background, who lives in Northern Ireland, who is critical of the British state and the Crown's actions here - er go your offensive little accusation. I've told you before you odious cretin that I don't support now or never have done the actions of the IRA during the troubles. You are the prime example of all pricks that probably think all Muslims support Al qaeda. My position on the IRA has been made clear, and I wish the fucking mods in this forum would do there fucking jobs when asked to. I can't believe that this offensive base less accusation is still allowed to posted here
[13:44:02] <Zimmer> which offend them
[13:44:06] <Zimmer> but which dont flame them
So that's who Zimmer was talking about.
I decided to not flame the tedious little anti-Irish bigot with his spurious allegations because quite frankly who can be arsed? Thus I requested a mod to deal with it, thank you.. Edit: if you don't view as "Flaming" the unsupported accusation of supporting an organisation that blew one of your best friends to little pieces, then you really shouldn't be a moderator..
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Lol... so this isnt flaming? Moron.IG-Calibre wrote:
I decided to not flame the tedious little anti-Irish bigot with his spurious allegations because quite frankly who can be arsed? Thus I requested a mod to deal with it, thank you.. Edit: if you don't view as "Flaming" the unsupported accusation of supporting an organisation that blew one of your best friends to little pieces, then you really shouldn't be a moderator..
Um yeah bla bla. Yes you do.IG-Calibre wrote:
Vilham you really are an ignorant little cunt aren't you? Your only basis of judging my support of the IRA is the fact that I am an unashamed Irish man, from a Catholic background, who lives in Northern Ireland, who is critical of the British state and the Crown's actions here - er go your offensive little accusation. I've told you before you odious cretin that I don't support now or never have done the actions of the IRA during the troubles. You are the prime example of all pricks that probably think all Muslims support Al qaeda. My position on the IRA has been made clear, and I wish the fucking mods in this forum would do there fucking jobs when asked to. I can't believe that this offensive base less accusation is still allowed to posted here
Vilham, please, watch it. You got reported 3 times for your posts in here. Calm down a tad.
Vilham.. I really suggest you shut your fucking mouth. prick, it's the day after the sixteenth anniversary of his death so i'm particularly sensitive to it at the minute.. what you are flippantly talking about involved real people.. 
Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-01-19 07:00:02)
That's the kind of fact that is lost on the likes of Vilham.Jepeto87 wrote:
The IRA that won the war of Independence is different than the northern provisional IRA which broke away from it decades ago. So you see it is possible to support the old IRA without supporting the provisional IRA.
I'm an atheist and an Irish Republican. Most Irish people are about as religious as a set of cutlery. For me it's not about Catholic v Protestant, it's about Irish people not wanting to be ruled by British people.Vilham wrote:
lol. You dont seem to realise that religion rarely effects any major decisions in the last 20 years in England. I guess your more primitive in Ireland and let religion dictate your lives. And yes adults are having a conversation here... you not being one of them.
So you claim the opposite of IG then? I agree that it had nothing to do with religion.CameronPoe wrote:
I'm an atheist and an Irish Republican. Most Irish people are about as religious as a set of cutlery. For me it's not about Catholic v Protestant, it's about Irish people not wanting to be ruled by British people.Vilham wrote:
lol. You dont seem to realise that religion rarely effects any major decisions in the last 20 years in England. I guess your more primitive in Ireland and let religion dictate your lives. And yes adults are having a conversation here... you not being one of them.
The simple fact is that your first president was a member of the IRA, whether they agreed on what the provisional IRA did or not is irrelevant they were two arms of the same force.
Im calm lol. Im winding up IG because he tried to do exactly the same to me, my first post if you read it says I think they should have their song, then I got flamed for that. So screw IG tbh. But as you asked politely ill stop posting in this thread.Zimmer wrote:
Vilham, please, watch it. You got reported 3 times for your posts in here. Calm down a tad.
IG is making a different argument. Religion is tied into the thing but for me it's territorial/ethnic. Discrimination was visited upon people merely based on what religion they were at a governmental level - that's how the civil rights issues manifested themselves as a major problem.Vilham wrote:
So you claim the opposite of IG then? I agree that it had nothing to do with religion.
The simple fact is that your first president was a member of the IRA, whether they agreed on what the provisional IRA did or not is irrelevant they were two arms of the same force.
Your second point is ludicrous. The original IRA was to us what the British army is to you. The Provisional IRA - a group formed in the last 40 years - were a pack of dishonourable criminals who sullied the cause.
Im more than certain everyone who was in the Provisional IRA came from the original IRA. Thus quite a few people in the original IRA felt the same as the Provisional IRA. Im sure there were also lots of people that didnt. But in the end as i said, both are an arm of the same cause.CameronPoe wrote:
IG is making a different argument. Religion is tied into the thing but for me it's territorial/ethnic. Discrimination was visited upon people merely based on what religion they were at a governmental level - that's how the civil rights issues manifested themselves as a major problem.Vilham wrote:
So you claim the opposite of IG then? I agree that it had nothing to do with religion.
The simple fact is that your first president was a member of the IRA, whether they agreed on what the provisional IRA did or not is irrelevant they were two arms of the same force.
Your second point is ludicrous. The original IRA was to us what the British army is to you. The Provisional IRA - a group formed in the last 40 years - were a pack of dishonourable criminals who sullied the cause.
Well, he is just recognizing that portraiting these Irishmen is not conductive to the peace and harmony of the region. It is innsentive and not very Politically Correct. Cam, you of all people should be on board with this. It is just a game. RIGHT?CameronPoe wrote:
Fuck Edwin Poots in the ass. Incidentally, what a stupid fucking name.
Here's an idea too: let's let Queen Liz go for a nice walk in north inner city Dublin on her own when she arrives so that she can savour that famous Irish hospitality*.
* Hospitalisation, to be precise.
The GAA is not a government institution. It is an association that promotes Irish cultural values through clubs which host traditional sports played by amateurs. For him to stick his nose into it is akin to some of the nanny state things you often decry. He's just doing it to win votes with the British section of society by attempting to trample on our cultural heritage.lowing wrote:
Well, he is just recognizing that portraiting these Irishmen is not conductive to the peace and harmony of the region. It is innsentive and not very Politically Correct. Cam, you of all people should be on board with this. It is just a game. RIGHT?
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