FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6934|so randum
To be blunt, do you think re-unification is viable, if so will it happen, and would you want it to?

Stems from a debate i had with a few friends in my local, so just amuse me please.
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CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6989
Re-unification is inevitable given the birth rate of the Irish in the six counties and the rate of emigration of the Brits. The Good Friday agreement was just a means of facilitating the transition without the British government looking like it got defeated by the IRA. I'm currently working on All Island planning of the electricity transmission grids of Northern Ireland and the Republic and all sorts of cross border institutions have been set up.
Srgt Killalot
Member
+6|6856|ireland
by the end of this century it could be anyones guess as to what way it pans out.
it would be cool to have the whole island back again
rdx-fx
...
+955|7025
Ireland have the same immigration problems as England?

(i.e., being overrun by non-natives)
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7105|UK

rdx-fx wrote:

Ireland have the same immigration problems as England?

(i.e., being overrun by non-natives)
Where ya get that little beauty from?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
rdx-fx
...
+955|7025

m3thod wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Ireland have the same immigration problems as England?

(i.e., being overrun by non-natives)
Where ya get that little beauty from?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyou … crime.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/migrants.shtml
...
and quite a few other links.

Seems to be a common topic over in the UK lately.

and, M3thod, take your own advice, please;

m3thod wrote:

LOL go back to your hole.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7105|UK

rdx-fx wrote:

m3thod wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Ireland have the same immigration problems as England?

(i.e., being overrun by non-natives)
Where ya get that little beauty from?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyou … crime.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/migrants.shtml
...
and quite a few other links.

Seems to be a common topic over in the UK lately.

and, M3thod, take your own advice, please;

m3thod wrote:

LOL go back to your hole.
Ethnic minorities make up 10% of the UK population, so you might want to look at the bigger picture before your type nonsensical wank. 

There has been an influx of eastern European people since their home countries joined the EU. However, it is being addressed with only skilled individuals permitted entry and the strain you avidly read about is in London where most turn up.  The rest of teh country is fine in fact the doctor surgery i went to on monday was advertising for new patients in Polish.

A 52,000 backlog of illegal immigrants is currently being cleared of which 17,000 illegals have been deported.  Fox News paint a different picture did it son?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7189766.stm - 15 January 2008

Nice this hole, might wanna get one too.

edit

I can't believe you used a a fucking blog as a source.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-19 21:47:18)

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rdx-fx
...
+955|7025
m3thod, thanks for the level headed input on the first half - and a laugh at the second half.

Wanted the perceptions from people that were actually living in the UK (like that blog..) - so, thanks for that (no sarcasm).

Didn't really want the pissing and vinegar - so, thanks for that too (a touch of sarcasm).

Last edited by rdx-fx (2008-01-19 22:53:09)

Jepeto87
Member
+38|7119|Dublin
I think the people in the north have developed there own special identity, they seem to define them selves as northern Irish. Maybe in 20 years they wont want to join the south or remain part of the UK but remain in there own special state within a state.

On another note did Fitz Gerald not give up the Republics claim to the north can we legally have it back or will the constitution have to be amended?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6989

Jepeto87 wrote:

I think the people in the north have developed there own special identity, they seem to define them selves as northern Irish. Maybe in 20 years they wont want to join the south or remain part of the UK but remain in there own special state within a state.

On another note did Fitz Gerald not give up the Republics claim to the north can we legally have it back or will the constitution have to be amended?
We will get it back through a double referendum.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7055|London, England

rdx-fx wrote:

Ireland have the same immigration problems as England?

(i.e., being overrun by non-natives)
Your Mexican problem is a hundred times worse than what's going on here.

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And I hope Ireland takes back Northern Ireland. That way England won't waste so much of it's money on other lesser Union members. I personally can't wait for Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland/England to split up from the UK. Seeing as England foot the bills for most of the shit and provides the most for the UK. I couldn't care less if the UK split up. Less taxmoney going to other places. The Scottish want independence so why not give it to them, I bet they'll still want all the money though.
Jepeto87
Member
+38|7119|Dublin
Yeah it makes sense for England though you'll look all small on the world map!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7055|London, England

Jepeto87 wrote:

Yeah it makes sense for England though you'll look all small on the world map!
But Ireland would look neater on the world map without having that small northern chunk in a different colour
Jepeto87
Member
+38|7119|Dublin
So we'll all be happy, hurray!!

Last edited by Jepeto87 (2008-01-20 04:40:19)

IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7176|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Jepeto87 wrote:

I think the people in the north have developed there own special identity, they seem to define them selves as northern Irish. Maybe in 20 years they wont want to join the south or remain part of the UK but remain in there own special state within a state.

On another note did Fitz Gerald not g

ive up the Republics claim to the north can we legally have it back or will the constitution have to be amended?
Jepeto, that's pretty insulting coming from a fellow Irish man. Of course Ulster men are unique compared to the folk of Leinster, Munster, Connaught.  However personally as a Democrat I have to accept the will of the people, and as such the people of the "whole" island of Ireland have agreed that the 6 Counties is a Provence of the UK - hence the removal of articles 2 & 3 (it was called the Good Friday agreement).  Where does that leave us? a great deal of folk though still a minority, mainly Catholic & some Protestant are committed none militantly & militantly to the ideal of a Republic.  In a way it's a bit like battlefield 2, we are in the process of neutralizing the flags here (see Poots thread saying it's time to stop playing the Irish national anthem at GAA games in Northern Ireland). Perhaps many will view this situation as an acceptable compromise and the 6 counties will just become an independent state.  What is important is that should the Majority vote for re-unification the British & Unionists can no longer stop it happening it's an inevitability (this is why dissident militant Republicans are redundant and they don't realise it) which leads me on to the other thing we can say for sure - there are some who will never accept subjugation, that's why i'm a citizen of the Republic.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-01-20 06:14:49)

m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7105|UK

rdx-fx wrote:

m3thod, thanks for the level headed input on the first half - and a laugh at the second half.

Wanted the perceptions from people that were actually living in the UK (like that blog..) - so, thanks for that (no sarcasm).

Didn't really want the pissing and vinegar - so, thanks for that too (a touch of sarcasm).
Why do you want personal perception?...which is often skewed by personal bigotry.  An individual living in London would tell you the UK is being overwhelmed by foreigners whereas an individual from Inverness would you probably tell you he aint seen a darkie in years.

Would it not be better to be provided with a holistic overview of the current immigration situation?

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-20 07:34:08)

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jord
Member
+2,382|7112|The North, beyond the wall.
If I'm correct we took it 800 years ago because France would of taken in and had a much better strategic position to attack from. We don't really need it anymore.

If it ever does happen, you can expect a few more Loyalist car bombs going off.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7176|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

jord wrote:

If I'm correct we took it 800 years ago because France would of taken in and had a much better strategic position to attack from. We don't really need it anymore.

If it ever does happen, you can expect a few more Loyalist car bombs going off.
You know Jord this is something i've been thinking about a lot.  Do you think that really would be the case? I sometimes think that too, but,  there was no Loyalist insurgency in the Republic when the British were driven out. I've now concluded that those so desperate to be reigned over shall go to where ever the Queen reigns, if anything the Loyal  sons & daughters will probably return to where they can wave their wee flags and sing  God save the queen! i'm sure there is plenty more room in England? eh?Of course the most deserving Loyal subjects will view this land as their entitlement, more so than, shall we say those from distant Empire lands? You could find  very interesting developments on your own door step, so don't be too quick to predict what we will find on ours..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-01-20 07:53:07)

jord
Member
+2,382|7112|The North, beyond the wall.

IG-Calibre wrote:

jord wrote:

If I'm correct we took it 800 years ago because France would of taken in and had a much better strategic position to attack from. We don't really need it anymore.

If it ever does happen, you can expect a few more Loyalist car bombs going off.
You know Jord this is something i've been thinking about a lot.  Do you think that really would be the case? I sometimes think that too, but,  there was no Loyalist insurgency in the Republic when the British were driven out. I've now concluded that those so desperate to be reigned over shall go to where ever the Queen reigns, if anything the Loyal  sons & daughters will probably return to where they can wave their wee flags and sing  God save the queen! i'm sure there is plenty more room in England? eh?Of course the most deserving Loyal subjects will view this land as their entitlement, more so than, shall we say those from distant Empire lands? You could find  very interesting developments on your own door step, so don't be too quick to predict what we will find on ours..
Yeah I think there is a good chance of violence. There's always political parties willing to blow stuff up to get their message across, I think quite a few would sprout up should that ever happen. If they were to sprout up, I'm wondering how the new unified Ieeland would deal with them. I mean, we sent in our Parachute regiment to deal with terrorist groups. I wonder what Ireland would do?

I also don't think everyone views it as a case of being reigned over by the Queen. Rather that they get certain benefits from being a part of the UK and they already have houses there now. They'll see it as "Why should we move, they didn't"...
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6927|N. Ireland

jord wrote:

There's always political parties willing to blow stuff up to get their message across
Not just political but paramilitary too.
Jackabo
Member
+127|6992|Dublin, Ireland
ireland > England
jord
Member
+2,382|7112|The North, beyond the wall.

Jackabo wrote:

ireland > England
Thanks for that...
mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|7033|S.C.

Jackabo wrote:

ireland > England
Your use of capitals suggest otherwise.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6657|Escea

mikeyb118 wrote:

Jackabo wrote:

ireland > England
Your use of capitals suggest otherwise.
haha i lol'd
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7176|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

jord wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

jord wrote:

If I'm correct we took it 800 years ago because France would of taken in and had a much better strategic position to attack from. We don't really need it anymore.

If it ever does happen, you can expect a few more Loyalist car bombs going off.
You know Jord this is something i've been thinking about a lot.  Do you think that really would be the case? I sometimes think that too, but,  there was no Loyalist insurgency in the Republic when the British were driven out. I've now concluded that those so desperate to be reigned over shall go to where ever the Queen reigns, if anything the Loyal  sons & daughters will probably return to where they can wave their wee flags and sing  God save the queen! i'm sure there is plenty more room in England? eh?Of course the most deserving Loyal subjects will view this land as their entitlement, more so than, shall we say those from distant Empire lands? You could find  very interesting developments on your own door step, so don't be too quick to predict what we will find on ours..
Yeah I think there is a good chance of violence. There's always political parties willing to blow stuff up to get their message across, I think quite a few would sprout up should that ever happen. If they were to sprout up, I'm wondering how the new unified Ieeland would deal with them. I mean, we sent in our Parachute regiment to deal with terrorist groups. I wonder what Ireland would do?

I also don't think everyone views it as a case of being reigned over by the Queen. Rather that they get certain benefits from being a part of the UK and they already have houses there now. They'll see it as "Why should we move, they didn't"...
Should they not move? then they are truly the sons & daughters of the Republic, they will take oats to uphold the Republic & constitution.  The Green White & Orange flag that flies over their heads will truly signify the meeting of the two traditions as equals. all vestiges of British "culture" will be harmless pageantry & remnant of the  past age of kings and Queens. This will be no sceptered isle, those that stay will be welcome,  Those Loyal will have to live in the Kingdom for their culture to have "meaning".  I don't think you understand what Loyalty means, any insurgency would be rendered pointless and moot

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