PhaxeNor
:D
+119|6901|Norway | Unkown

PBBans wrote:

January 22, 2008
On January 21, 2008 a massive DDoS attack was directed at our main web server. It overloaded a primary internet backbone router that connects the datacenter to the internet backbone and affected potentially thousands of other sites in the process. The authorities have been notified about the attack.

Currently all PBBans services are offline and there is no ETA on when they will be restored. No data was lost so please bare with us as we work to restore service.
this is just funny.. first punksbusted then not long after PBBans... lol..

http://www.pbbans.com/

Last edited by PhaxeNor (2008-01-23 10:41:23)

Cyrax-Sektor
Official Battlefield fanboy
+240|6633|San Antonio, Texas
Funny how they didn't capitalize 'internet'. What kind of site are they running?
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7314|Grapevine, TX
DoS= Denial of Service. I was trying to go there last night and was thinking something went bad for them
gandlers
Member
+4|7186

PhaxeNor wrote:

this is just funny.. first punksbusted then not long after PBBans... lol..

http://www.pbbans.com/
Yeah its hilarious....
It's a sad state of affairs that dickless wonders hack, then you get the hack sites hacking the anti-hack sites.
Then you get idiots saying it's funny... you sir are a tool!
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7247

gandlers wrote:

PhaxeNor wrote:

this is just funny.. first punksbusted then not long after PBBans... lol..

http://www.pbbans.com/
Yeah its hilarious....
It's a sad state of affairs that dickless wonders hack, then you get the hack sites hacking the anti-hack sites.
Then you get idiots saying it's funny... you sir are a tool!
lol
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7160|Canberra, AUS

gandlers wrote:

PhaxeNor wrote:

this is just funny.. first punksbusted then not long after PBBans... lol..

http://www.pbbans.com/
Yeah its hilarious....
It's a sad state of affairs that dickless wonders hack, then you get the hack sites hacking the anti-hack sites.
Then you get idiots saying it's funny... you sir are a tool!
Spasm?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
gene_pool
Banned
+519|7106|Gold coast, Aus.

gandlers wrote:

PhaxeNor wrote:

this is just funny.. first punksbusted then not long after PBBans... lol..

http://www.pbbans.com/
Yeah its hilarious....
It's a sad state of affairs that dickless wonders hack, then you get the hack sites hacking the anti-hack sites.
Then you get idiots saying it's funny... you sir are a tool!
cry moooaaarrrr

besides, downloading a dos program and putting in an ip != hacking....
gandlers
Member
+4|7186

High Profile Networking Security Site wrote:

DEFINITION - On the Internet, a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is one in which a multitude of compromised systems attack a single target, thereby causing denial of service for users of the targeted system. The flood of incoming messages to the target system essentially forces it to shut down, thereby denying service to the system to legitimate users.

A hacker (or, if you prefer, cracker) begins a DDoS attack by exploiting a vulnerability in one computer system and making it the DDoS "master." It is from the master system that the intruder identifies and communicates with other systems that can be compromised. The intruder loads cracking tools available on the Internet on multiple -- sometimes thousands of -- compromised systems. With a single command, the intruder instructs the controlled machines to launch one of many flood attacks against a specified target. The inundation of packets to the target causes a denial of service.

While the press tends to focus on the target of DDoS attacks as the victim, in reality there are many victims in a DDoS attack -- the final target and as well the systems controlled by the intruder.
Maybe you should tell the entire internet security community that they are wrong, or maybe you should shut your pie hole buddy! 
gene_pool
Banned
+519|7106|Gold coast, Aus.
https://i28.tinypic.com/2rp732a.jpg

edit: I guess I'll explain.

Scriptkiddies are not hackers. Scriptkiddies, presumably the people ddosing atm, are nobodies thinking they are hackers by using simple programs that require no real hacking skills.

Last edited by gene_pool (2008-01-28 00:32:00)

nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6809|New Haven, CT
I'll make a nice chart of the hierarchy of Internet assholes, from worst on the bottom, to approaching worst on top.

           Trolls
              |
Hackers, spammers, phishers, virus writers, script kiddies.

Simple.
Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|7012|London (At Heart)

REAL hackers generally pride themselves in what they do, and often have much better things to do then take down a stupid list of people who have been banned y'know.

These were little kiddies who think they are 1337 because they do such things, however it often blows in their face as their lack of understanding eventually bites them, e.g. an article about a game I used to play:

A UK teenager who admitted launching a denial of service attack on online multiplayer game Face Of Mankind has been reprimanded by police.

The 16-year-old, who can't be named for legal reasons, launched the relatively unsophisticated SYN Flood attack throughout May 2007. As a result, Face Of Mankind's portal was regularly unavailable during the assault.

A police investigation led by Scotland Yard's Computer Crime Unit led to the arrest of the computer studies student in London in October 2007. He admitted responsibility, stating that he and his friends launched the attack after deciding to "take down" the forum over dissatisfaction about the way it was been run. The teenagers co-ordinated their attack on MSN instant messenger.

During the attacks, the teenager logged into the forum and switched over to "invisible" mode, naively thinking this would hide his actions from the site's administrator. These actions led to his undoing, allowing technicians from network analysis and forensics firm Synerity Systems to track down his location in the UK, prior to handing over the case the detectives from Scotland Yard. Synerity Systems was hired by game publishers Ojom to look into the attacks.

Jasper Bongertz explained that the bulletin boards affected by the attack played an integral part of the game: "The bulletin boards were flooded with requests for pages, causing them to go down.

"After we placed a sniffer in front of the servers we found that the attack were coming from one single IP. The same IP was included in the user list for the bulletin board, which gave us an email address. The suspect email address was tied to a subscription to the game which gave us a name and address.

"The attacker was pretty stupid," Bongertz added.

Before it introduced subscription Face Of Mankind boasted 10,000 users. At the time of the attacks it had about 1,500 users. The assaults made the game virtually unplayable and its user base drifted away. Ojom, the publisher of the game, has since taken it down in the face of further assaults which proved more difficult to track down.

"The later attacks were by more professional people using botnets. Finally the game was stopped because those attacks cost money," Bongertz told El Reg. Developers are trying to resurrect the game.

Face Of Mankind's portal is based in Germany. The teenager involved in the attack was read the riot act by police on 24 December but details of the assault, and how he was tracked down, have only just emerged. ®
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6809|New Haven, CT

Shem wrote:

REAL hackers generally pride themselves in what they do, and often have much better things to do then take down a stupid list of people who have been banned y'know.

These were little kiddies who think they are 1337 because they do such things, however it often blows in their face as their lack of understanding eventually bites them, e.g. an article about a game I used to play
People pride themselves in illegal activities?

That's sad.
gandlers
Member
+4|7186

gene_pool wrote:

Scriptkiddies are not hackers. Scriptkiddies, presumably the people ddosing atm, are nobodies thinking they are hackers by using simple programs that require no real hacking skills.
I didn't say they were skilled. What I am saying is what they are doing is refered to as hacking. The term is used to cover a multitude of sins by people with limited ethics and morals, and to top it all are probably sexually inadequate.

We can waste as much time as you want arguing symantics, I'm "working from home" today and to be honest I have nothing better to do at the moment!

G
Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|7012|London (At Heart)

nukchebi0 wrote:

Shem wrote:

REAL hackers generally pride themselves in what they do, and often have much better things to do then take down a stupid list of people who have been banned y'know.

These were little kiddies who think they are 1337 because they do such things, however it often blows in their face as their lack of understanding eventually bites them, e.g. an article about a game I used to play
People pride themselves in illegal activities?

That's sad.
Who says it's illegal activities?

You are thinking of crackers, script-kiddies etc

Eric Raymond, compiler of The New Hacker's Dictionary, defines a hacker as a clever programmer. A "good hack" is a clever solution to a programming problem and "hacking" is the act of doing it. Raymond lists five possible characteristics that qualify one as a hacker, which we paraphrase here:

    * A person who enjoys learning details of a programming language or system
    * A person who enjoys actually doing the programming rather than just theorizing about it
    * A person capable of appreciating someone else's hacking
    * A person who picks up programming quickly
    * A person who is an expert at a particular programming language or system, as in "Unix hacker"

Raymond deprecates the use of this term for someone who attempts to crack someone else's system or otherwise uses programming or expert knowledge to act maliciously. He prefers the term cracker for this meaning.
There is a community, a shared culture, of expert programmers and networking wizards that traces its history back through decades to the first time-sharing minicomputers and the earliest ARPAnet experiments. The members of this culture originated the term ‘hacker’. Hackers built the Internet. Hackers made the Unix operating system what it is today. Hackers run Usenet. Hackers make the World Wide Web work. If you are part of this culture, if you have contributed to it and other people in it know who you are and call you a hacker, you're a hacker.

The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music — actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art. Software hackers recognize these kindred spirits elsewhere and may call them ‘hackers’ too — and some claim that the hacker nature is really independent of the particular medium the hacker works in. But in the rest of this document we will focus on the skills and attitudes of software hackers, and the traditions of the shared culture that originated the term ‘hacker’.

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.
gene_pool
Banned
+519|7106|Gold coast, Aus.

gandlers wrote:

gene_pool wrote:

Scriptkiddies are not hackers. Scriptkiddies, presumably the people ddosing atm, are nobodies thinking they are hackers by using simple programs that require no real hacking skills.
I didn't say they were skilled. What I am saying is what they are doing is refered to as hacking. The term is used to cover a multitude of sins by people with limited ethics and morals, and to top it all are probably sexually inadequate.

We can waste as much time as you want arguing symantics, I'm "working from home" today and to be honest I have nothing better to do at the moment!

G
I however, have an interview tomorrow so I'm going to have an early night tonight.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6809|New Haven, CT

Shem wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Shem wrote:

REAL hackers generally pride themselves in what they do, and often have much better things to do then take down a stupid list of people who have been banned y'know.

These were little kiddies who think they are 1337 because they do such things, however it often blows in their face as their lack of understanding eventually bites them, e.g. an article about a game I used to play
People pride themselves in illegal activities?

That's sad.
Who says it's illegal activities?

You are thinking of crackers, script-kiddies etc

Eric Raymond, compiler of The New Hacker's Dictionary, defines a hacker as a clever programmer. A "good hack" is a clever solution to a programming problem and "hacking" is the act of doing it. Raymond lists five possible characteristics that qualify one as a hacker, which we paraphrase here:

    * A person who enjoys learning details of a programming language or system
    * A person who enjoys actually doing the programming rather than just theorizing about it
    * A person capable of appreciating someone else's hacking
    * A person who picks up programming quickly
    * A person who is an expert at a particular programming language or system, as in "Unix hacker"

Raymond deprecates the use of this term for someone who attempts to crack someone else's system or otherwise uses programming or expert knowledge to act maliciously. He prefers the term cracker for this meaning.
There is a community, a shared culture, of expert programmers and networking wizards that traces its history back through decades to the first time-sharing minicomputers and the earliest ARPAnet experiments. The members of this culture originated the term ‘hacker’. Hackers built the Internet. Hackers made the Unix operating system what it is today. Hackers run Usenet. Hackers make the World Wide Web work. If you are part of this culture, if you have contributed to it and other people in it know who you are and call you a hacker, you're a hacker.

The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music — actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art. Software hackers recognize these kindred spirits elsewhere and may call them ‘hackers’ too — and some claim that the hacker nature is really independent of the particular medium the hacker works in. But in the rest of this document we will focus on the skills and attitudes of software hackers, and the traditions of the shared culture that originated the term ‘hacker’.

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.
So basically, 99% of people think of 'crackers' when the word 'hacker' is mentioned?
gandlers
Member
+4|7186

gene_pool wrote:

I however, have an interview tomorrow so I'm going to have an early night tonight.
Good luck with that one buddy, dont argue with them is my tip!

whoever said it wrote:

Who says it's illegal activities?
Well the IAB for starters as it violates their "proper use" policy, also the national laws of most western nations. I cant speak for places like australia as I dont know, but as we deported all our criminals to that continent i would imagine that it is lawless wilderness much like the wild west was 

G

Last edited by gandlers (2008-01-28 01:23:00)

Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|7012|London (At Heart)

nukchebi0 wrote:

So basically, 99% of people think of 'crackers' when the word 'hacker' is mentioned?
Essentially.

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