Yes11 Bravo wrote:
does nasa pay the contractors out of their budget?
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NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Didn't they explicitly separate NASA from the military back at its inception?JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
Yes..... standing on the promise of not militarizing spaceSenorToenails wrote:
Didn't they explicitly separate NASA from the military back at its inception?JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
I'm guessing it's fairly closely linked with the air force?
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
hehe. I argued that the dod needed to absorb it back in the day, and I think you jumped on me for being a fan of small government...JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Yes. I wasn't being serious. There's all sorts of problems associated with attaching NASA to the military. It's just too bad they didn't have anyone with enough standing to stick up for them. I guess the failures have just been too many over the decades and it finally caught up with them.SenorToenails wrote:
Didn't they explicitly separate NASA from the military back at its inception?JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
Hopefully a civilian firm steps up to replace them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I was being serious.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Failures have been too many? Fuck me, I hope that's not your opinion!JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. I wasn't being serious. There's all sorts of problems associated with attaching NASA to the military. It's just too bad they didn't have anyone with enough standing to stick up for them. I guess the failures have just been too many over the decades and it finally caught up with them.SenorToenails wrote:
Didn't they explicitly separate NASA from the military back at its inception?JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
Hopefully a civilian firm steps up to replace them.
I don't ultimately agree with NASA falling under the governments umbrella simply because it allows waste. The government doesn't run anything efficiently. In this case though, the numbers involved and the necessary return are, from an outsiders perspective, simply too massive. I'd love to see a civilian company come in and operate a profitable space program and I guess we'll see if it's possible.DBBrinson1 wrote:
hehe. I argued that the dod needed to absorb it back in the day, and I think you jumped on me for being a fan of small government...JohnG@lt wrote:
NASA should've finagled its way into being represented by the Pentagon. Then it would have an unlimited budget
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The shuttle crashes are bad press. So are all the problems they've been having with delayed launches due to maintenance issues etc. The solid, no issues, launches don't get any press so that's what public opinion is formed by.SenorToenails wrote:
Failures have been too many? Fuck me, I hope that's not your opinion!JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. I wasn't being serious. There's all sorts of problems associated with attaching NASA to the military. It's just too bad they didn't have anyone with enough standing to stick up for them. I guess the failures have just been too many over the decades and it finally caught up with them.SenorToenails wrote:
Didn't they explicitly separate NASA from the military back at its inception?
Hopefully a civilian firm steps up to replace them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
But then the private firm will go all haliburton on the US. No bid contracts and stuff.JohnG@lt wrote:
I don't ultimately agree with NASA falling under the governments umbrella simply because it allows waste. The government doesn't run anything efficiently. In this case though, the numbers involved and the necessary return are, from an outsiders perspective, simply too massive. I'd love to see a civilian company come in and operate a profitable space program and I guess we'll see if it's possible.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Who says there can't be competition?DBBrinson1 wrote:
But then the private firm will go all haliburton on the US. No bid contracts and stuff.JohnG@lt wrote:
I don't ultimately agree with NASA falling under the governments umbrella simply because it allows waste. The government doesn't run anything efficiently. In this case though, the numbers involved and the necessary return are, from an outsiders perspective, simply too massive. I'd love to see a civilian company come in and operate a profitable space program and I guess we'll see if it's possible.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I know that it's only when bad shit happens that people ever hear about NASA. It's a shame, really.JohnG@lt wrote:
The shuttle crashes are bad press. So are all the problems they've been having with delayed launches due to maintenance issues etc. The solid, no issues, launches don't get any press so that's what public opinion is formed by.SenorToenails wrote:
Failures have been too many? Fuck me, I hope that's not your opinion!JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. I wasn't being serious. There's all sorts of problems associated with attaching NASA to the military. It's just too bad they didn't have anyone with enough standing to stick up for them. I guess the failures have just been too many over the decades and it finally caught up with them.
Hopefully a civilian firm steps up to replace them.
Competition for putting shit in space? It's not exactly a huge market, and with other nationalized space programs out there...what incentive is there for private companies to put a lot of investment into that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Who says there can't be competition?DBBrinson1 wrote:
But then the private firm will go all haliburton on the US. No bid contracts and stuff.JohnG@lt wrote:
I don't ultimately agree with NASA falling under the governments umbrella simply because it allows waste. The government doesn't run anything efficiently. In this case though, the numbers involved and the necessary return are, from an outsiders perspective, simply too massive. I'd love to see a civilian company come in and operate a profitable space program and I guess we'll see if it's possible.
Seriosuly, what money is there to be had for a commercialized space industry? It's not like we can mine the moon or asteroids or anything...so the markets are science (not a lot of profit, really), satellites (maybe...?), and tourism (for the rich!). What else is there?
I guess we're about to find outSenorToenails wrote:
Competition for putting shit in space? It's not exactly a huge market, and with other nationalized space programs out there...what incentive is there for private companies to put a lot of investment into that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Who says there can't be competition?DBBrinson1 wrote:
But then the private firm will go all haliburton on the US. No bid contracts and stuff.
Seriosuly, what money is there to be had for a commercialized space industry? It's not like we can mine the moon or asteroids or anything...so the markets are science (not a lot of profit, really), satellites (maybe...?), and tourism (for the rich!). What else is there?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
<2% of the shuttle missions have been failures. A delay because of a safety precaution is not a failure.JohnG@lt wrote:
The shuttle crashes are bad press. So are all the problems they've been having with delayed launches due to maintenance issues etc. The solid, no issues, launches don't get any press so that's what public opinion is formed by.SenorToenails wrote:
Failures have been too many? Fuck me, I hope that's not your opinion!JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. I wasn't being serious. There's all sorts of problems associated with attaching NASA to the military. It's just too bad they didn't have anyone with enough standing to stick up for them. I guess the failures have just been too many over the decades and it finally caught up with them.
Hopefully a civilian firm steps up to replace them.
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I'm not a space junkie like you. My knowledge is based on what I see in the media so I think it reflects the opinions of most Americans pretty well. Are we ignorant? Absolutely. And that's precisely why there has been so little uproar over the death of NASA.Kmar wrote:
<2% of the shuttle missions have been failures. A delay because of a safety precaution is not a failure.JohnG@lt wrote:
The shuttle crashes are bad press. So are all the problems they've been having with delayed launches due to maintenance issues etc. The solid, no issues, launches don't get any press so that's what public opinion is formed by.SenorToenails wrote:
Failures have been too many? Fuck me, I hope that's not your opinion!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ignorant? no i think most people dont care tbh.
You are confusing what we can do with todays technology with what we can do in the future. However, we have already landed on asteroids. I doubt we will see the commerce of the space industry develop in our time. But it will develop.JohnG@lt wrote:
I guess we're about to find outSenorToenails wrote:
Competition for putting shit in space? It's not exactly a huge market, and with other nationalized space programs out there...what incentive is there for private companies to put a lot of investment into that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Who says there can't be competition?
Seriosuly, what money is there to be had for a commercialized space industry? It's not like we can mine the moon or asteroids or anything...so the markets are science (not a lot of profit, really), satellites (maybe...?), and tourism (for the rich!). What else is there?
Kmar wrote:
Resources, everything we put a value on-on earth is in spades in space. I was watching a show the other night and they were talking about asteroids within our own solar system that could be mined for hundreds of trillions of dollars in return (net profit). "In fact, all the gold, cobalt, iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium and ruthenium that we now mine from the Earth's crust, and that are essential for our economic and technological development, came originally from the rain of asteroids that hit the Earth after the crust cooled.
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I understand that--but if we have to wait to develop the technology to do those things, and if that technology is 50-100 years away (or more!), then what incentive is there to actually get private, for-profit companies developing space tech now?Kmar wrote:
You are confusing what we can do with todays technology with what we can do in the future. However, we have already landed on asteroids. I doubt we will see the commerce of the space industry develop in our time. But it will develop.Kmar wrote:
Resources, everything we put a value on-on earth is in spades in space. I was watching a show the other night and they were talking about asteroids within our own solar system that could be mined for hundreds of trillions of dollars in return (net profit). "In fact, all the gold, cobalt, iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium and ruthenium that we now mine from the Earth's crust, and that are essential for our economic and technological development, came originally from the rain of asteroids that hit the Earth after the crust cooled.
Well there you go, we'll be going after supplies of Unobtanium soon enoughKmar wrote:
You are confusing what we can do with todays technology with what we can do in the future. However, we have already landed on asteroids. I doubt we will see the commerce of the space industry develop in our time. But it will develop.JohnG@lt wrote:
I guess we're about to find outSenorToenails wrote:
Competition for putting shit in space? It's not exactly a huge market, and with other nationalized space programs out there...what incentive is there for private companies to put a lot of investment into that?
Seriosuly, what money is there to be had for a commercialized space industry? It's not like we can mine the moon or asteroids or anything...so the markets are science (not a lot of profit, really), satellites (maybe...?), and tourism (for the rich!). What else is there?Kmar wrote:
Resources, everything we put a value on-on earth is in spades in space. I was watching a show the other night and they were talking about asteroids within our own solar system that could be mined for hundreds of trillions of dollars in return (net profit). "In fact, all the gold, cobalt, iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium and ruthenium that we now mine from the Earth's crust, and that are essential for our economic and technological development, came originally from the rain of asteroids that hit the Earth after the crust cooled.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's because the programs on the table have been slowly hacked at. I guarantee you that if it were announced that NASA as a whole was being completely shut down there would be an uproar. If everyone had to live as if NASA never existed, if they started handing in their cell phones and started wheeling out all of the life saving equipment such as those used for early detection of cancer and treatment people would care.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm not a space junkie like you. My knowledge is based on what I see in the media so I think it reflects the opinions of most Americans pretty well. Are we ignorant? Absolutely. And that's precisely why there has been so little uproar over the death of NASA.Kmar wrote:
<2% of the shuttle missions have been failures. A delay because of a safety precaution is not a failure.JohnG@lt wrote:
The shuttle crashes are bad press. So are all the problems they've been having with delayed launches due to maintenance issues etc. The solid, no issues, launches don't get any press so that's what public opinion is formed by.
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well im sure someone would have figured out cell phones or whatever
Really? How about GPS? Got a plan for getting them up there?
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