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2008-01-29 09:48:00
FatherTed
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Ok, i wouldn't mind some intellectuals thoughts on this.

"What role did the Hitler Youth and other Youth groups play during the Nazi Era"

I need constructive posts, not "fucking nazis" "nazi cubs" etc, just facts, figures, and quotes.

Also, majorly important, cite every source you use!


This is for a 1000 word German essay.

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2008-01-29 09:51:55
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brainwashing, indoctrination, propaganda, fanaticism
2008-01-29 09:52:05
IRONCHEF
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They were just SS soldiers in training from what I gather.  Reminds me of the training the Greeks went through (as portrayed in the movie 300), but with much more psychotic ideology.   My guess is that they served in other capacities like being the Gestapo's informants in their neighborhoods.  And if the Sound of Music is accurate, they served as messengers and danced and frolicked with the Von Trapp daughters.
2008-01-29 09:56:07
..teddy..jimmy
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What role did the Hitler Youth and other Youth groups play during the Nazi Era?

[*]Were a contribution to Hitler's dream of building his own personal army of aryan SS.
[*]Largely influential in Hitler's propaganda campaigns~Used both to increase the general public as well as brainwashing the youth.
[*]Preparing Germany's future defenses against possible threats from the Eastern and Western fronts.
[*]Increase Germany's military might.
[*]Re-enforce nazi/fascist discipline.
[*]For girls, and I forget the name of the youth group, it was largely influential in teaching them the qualities of being a good "housewife". Indoctrinated pretty much.
[*]Hitler Jugend used in the final defense against the USSR and used in the Battle of Berlin.

Blah..

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2008-01-29 10:01:15
henno13
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at the end of WWII, they were used in the "Defence" of Berlin
they were issued "Panzerfausts" or "Tank Fists" to take town russian tanks

but it was a failure
2008-01-29 10:04:29
BobbyD.
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..teddy..jimmy wrote:

...
[*]For girls, and I forget the name of the youth group, it was largely influential in teaching them the qualities of being a good "housewife". Indoctrinated pretty much.
...
It was the BdM (Bund deutscher Mädchen) translated it is 'the Confederation of German girls' or something like this
2008-01-29 10:05:27
mr.hrundi
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It was a very effective way to bring the thoughts and propaganda of the Nazis to all young people from a very young age. It also made it very difficult for non-members: they were attacked by the public, they almost had no chance to get jobs and so on. People were forced into the organisation and hence in the propaganda.
2008-01-29 10:06:22
FatherTed
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BobbyD. wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

...
[*]For girls, and I forget the name of the youth group, it was largely influential in teaching them the qualities of being a good "housewife". Indoctrinated pretty much.
...
It was the BdM (Bund deutscher Mädchen) translated it is 'the Confederation of German girls' or something like this
correct.

Any current famous germans who were in it, along with an account of their experiences would be good.

Don't worry about posting up german websites, i'm fairly ok at German.

Last edited by FatherTed (2008-01-29 10:06:59)

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2008-01-29 10:08:43
stkhoplite
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https://www.germaniainternational.com/images/hitleryouth01.jpg

Members were given score books to keep track of times etc for events like running and fighting.

The ones that got the highest scores were taken away to a special school where they were taught to be leaders, Onei of the initiation tests they had to take was to jump out of a second story window in full army gear.

The Young Maidens (for girls) was set up to give girls the oppurtunity to get away from their home lives. They went on hikes and camping trips often.

The Hitler Youth was also used to beat up opposition members and threats to the Nazi party (communists/jews/socialists etc)

Wikipedia wrote:

The Hitler Youth was originally established in 1922 as the Jungsturm Adolf Hitler (help·info). Based in Munich, Bavaria, it served to train and recruit future members of the Sturmabteilung (or "Storm Regiment"), the adult paramilitary wing of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, the German Nazi Party.
1923 - Little over 1,000 members.
1925 - Over 5,000 members.
1930 - 25,000 members.
1932-1933 - 107,956 members.
1933-1934 - 2,300,000 members.

From 1936, membership of the HJ was compulsory for all young German men.

Sources - School/Wikipedia

Last edited by stkhoplite (2008-01-29 10:10:12)

2008-01-29 10:08:53
mr.hrundi
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BobbyD. wrote:

BdM (Bund deutscher Mädchen)
"Bund deutscher Mädel", if that's important.
2008-01-29 10:10:55
Magpie
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They were great during the last few weeks(months ) of the war
2008-01-29 10:14:19
Shocking
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The hitler youth was actually made to make a perfect army, children trained from boyhood to soldiers. Once they would become adults they'd probably be the best soldiers this world would've known. That's one, two, when the nazis lost, I guess they were cannonfodder. Hitler went mad.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-01-29 10:14:55)

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2008-01-29 11:31:16
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I actually have a book on the subject. It's called "Hitler Youth: Growing Up in Hitler's Shadow" by Susan Campbell Bartoletti. If you can find that at a library or something, it would be pretty helpful. The Hitler Youth was used to prepare the youth for war through physical training and a nazi education. They could train in "specialist groups" (I'm taking this straight from the book) and the most popular specialist groups were the Motor-HJ, Flieger-HJ, and the Marine-HJ.
Motor-HJ - Boys trained on motorcycles, learned practical mechanical skills and traffic and car regulations.
Flieger-HJ - First step towards becoming a Luftwaffe pilot, boys trained by building and piloting gliders.
Marine-HJ - Boys learned to navigate waterways during sailing and rowing excursions on inland lakes and large rivers.
Another specialist group was the HJ-Streifendienst (Patrol Force) who acted as junior Gestapo agents, arresting teenagers and children who broke the law.

And another excerpt -
As part of their duty to serve, the Hitler Youth attended three week summer infantry camps, intended to prepare them for military life. At the camps, boys were taught the virtues of being a good soldier: cleanliness, tidiness, teamwork, and obedience. Each week had a motto: (Week One) "We fight!" (Week Two) "We sacrifice!" (Week Three) "We triumph!" Above each camp gate, the legend read, "We are born to die for Germany."

So I'd reccomend picking this book up if you can. If you want to use some of that info and use the book as a source I can give you the copyright or whatever you need.
2008-01-29 12:32:21
KEN-JENNINGS
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Do you want opinions or do you want us to write your essay?

Do your own homework you lazy fuck.
2008-01-29 12:36:40
Balok77
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The Hitler youth as mentioned above in several instances was the Nazis way of attempting to indoctrinate the next generation to their views. By making sure children were doing something pro Nazi it helped to eliminate opposition,

what some people don't realise however was the fact that the kids generally enjoyed what they where doing
2008-01-29 12:54:15
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Balok77 wrote:

The Hitler youth as mentioned above in several instances was the Nazis way of attempting to indoctrinate the next generation to their views. By making sure children were doing something pro Nazi it helped to eliminate opposition,

what some people don't realise however was the fact that the kids generally enjoyed what they where doing
Happens when you're getting brainwashed, they enjoyed it untill they saw actual combat. That was less enjoyable.
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2008-01-29 13:02:00
c14u53w172
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Michael H. Kater - hitler youth

well, i chose that one because it's written in english. there's lots books from german historians but i don't think you speak german...
2008-01-29 13:11:59
Lai
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dayarath wrote:

Balok77 wrote:

The Hitler youth as mentioned above in several instances was the Nazis way of attempting to indoctrinate the next generation to their views. By making sure children were doing something pro Nazi it helped to eliminate opposition,

what some people don't realise however was the fact that the kids generally enjoyed what they where doing
Happens when you're getting brainwashed, they enjoyed it untill they saw actual combat. That was less enjoyable.
It has very little to do with brainwashing. Think of it; learning to fly as a young boy, playing soldier, go camping,.. actually does sound like a lot of fun. Of course there was brainwashing, but brainwashing wasn't necessary to make them enjoy it. Boyscouts with more resources.
2008-01-29 13:15:55
S.Lythberg
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Basically, Hitler wanted an army of "ideal" German soldiers to fight his future wars and carry out his more sinister plans.  He had a difficult time convincing older people/soldiers to accept the Nazi doctrine (even many of his best generals never did) and to turn on their Jewish friends and neighbors, so indoctrinating his soldiers from a young age would have become necessary, in the event that Germany ever did accomplish it's goals and implement a widescale "purification" system.
2008-01-29 13:34:40
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Lai wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Balok77 wrote:

The Hitler youth as mentioned above in several instances was the Nazis way of attempting to indoctrinate the next generation to their views. By making sure children were doing something pro Nazi it helped to eliminate opposition,

what some people don't realise however was the fact that the kids generally enjoyed what they where doing
Happens when you're getting brainwashed, they enjoyed it untill they saw actual combat. That was less enjoyable.
It has very little to do with brainwashing. Think of it; learning to fly as a young boy, playing soldier, go camping,.. actually does sound like a lot of fun. Of course there was brainwashing, but brainwashing wasn't necessary to make them enjoy it. Boyscouts with more resources.
Ofcourse for children it's fun to do all that, but apart from that their occupation was very serious to the nazis. They did everything to make the kids believe they had to die for them when it was to be asked, or 'needed'. That is brainwashing
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2008-01-29 14:43:10
FatherTed
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Do you want opinions or do you want us to write your essay?

Do your own homework you lazy fuck.
I've done plenty of research to write the paper with, i just wanted to know if anyone knew anything interesting i could stick in.

So chill out, and if you don't like the post, don't reply.

c14u53w172 wrote:

Michael H. Kater - hitler youth

well, i chose that one because it's written in english. there's lots books from german historians but i don't think you speak german...
I speak enough to understand and get by

And it's a paper for my German A-Level.

Home wrote:

I actually have a book on the subject. It's called "Hitler Youth: Growing Up in Hitler's Shadow" by Susan Campbell Bartoletti. If you can find that at a library or something, it would be pretty helpful. The Hitler Youth was used to prepare the youth for war through physical training and a nazi education. They could train in "specialist groups" (I'm taking this straight from the book) and the most popular specialist groups were the Motor-HJ, Flieger-HJ, and the Marine-HJ.
Motor-HJ - Boys trained on motorcycles, learned practical mechanical skills and traffic and car regulations.
Flieger-HJ - First step towards becoming a Luftwaffe pilot, boys trained by building and piloting gliders.
Marine-HJ - Boys learned to navigate waterways during sailing and rowing excursions on inland lakes and large rivers.
Another specialist group was the HJ-Streifendienst (Patrol Force) who acted as junior Gestapo agents, arresting teenagers and children who broke the law.

And another excerpt -
As part of their duty to serve, the Hitler Youth attended three week summer infantry camps, intended to prepare them for military life. At the camps, boys were taught the virtues of being a good soldier: cleanliness, tidiness, teamwork, and obedience. Each week had a motto: (Week One) "We fight!" (Week Two) "We sacrifice!" (Week Three) "We triumph!" Above each camp gate, the legend read, "We are born to die for Germany."

So I'd reccomend picking this book up if you can. If you want to use some of that info and use the book as a source I can give you the copyright or whatever you need.
And this is the kind of stuff i was after, thanks a lot! I'll prob PM you in a bit for further info, Cheers!

Last edited by FatherTed (2008-01-29 14:45:07)

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2008-01-29 15:01:58
BobbyD.
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FatherTed wrote:

....I speak enough to understand and get by .......
Maybe this could help you too http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlerjugend
2008-01-29 15:03:54
FatherTed
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BobbyD. wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

....I speak enough to understand and get by .......
Maybe this could help you too http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlerjugend
Yeh i used that for general ideas, but the examinations board aren't too keen on wikipedia, so i'm trying to use other stuff.

3 of the sources i use must be German, so im risking it with wikipedia.de, Katz und Maus by Gunther Grass, and something else which i forget!
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2008-01-29 15:04:49
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BobbyD. wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

....I speak enough to understand and get by .......
Maybe this could help you too http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlerjugend
Wikipedia is a no, no source for any academic work.
2008-01-29 15:13:09
BobbyD.
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If you want to make it special you could also put in some hints to the "pioneer organisations" in the GDR.
Witch was nearly the same  established by the  socialist gouvernment in east germany after WW2.

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