Poll

Was the JFK assassination a cover up?

yes (CIA)26%26% - 15
Yes (Russians)3%3% - 2
Yes (3rd Party) State who.14%14% - 8
No (Oswald acted alone)56%56% - 32
Total: 57
SealXo
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Well, I was recently watching the history channel on the JFK shooting and it got me wondering.-

Now I HATE HATE HATE conspiracies and think they are a load of dog shit most of the time. But this one really got me more and more as I listened to the circumstances, who Oswald was - And himself and his wifes backround.

Alright so my first wonderings were - How in the fucking world did this cat Oswald shoot a bolt action rifle, with three shots, each hitting a MOVING target - in six seconds? They did a ballistics recreation of the parade and found they could not do it. They also saw that there were many tree branches in the way- Which leads me to say... If these branches were in the way. Then he must have had to shoot blind through the thick branches.... And isnt it coincidental he shoots him right through the neck???

Another thing that suprised me is this. When they first detained Oswald, he seemed to know NOTHING of what had even happened. He seemed so calm as if he didn't even do it. He was 100% confident he could tell the truth and get off.... Well We could have found out if that cunt, Jack Ruby, Who is some random guy. Didn't shoot him a few days after. Why would this random guy shoot a person who might have been innocent?  I think the CIA hired him to get away with the man they framed.

I think the CIA did some research and found out that Lee and his soviet wife had Marxist ideas. And they framed him and had to get rid of him.

Another thing is before the film was sold and released Dan Rather watched it, and specifically said his head slumpt fowards. But in the released version, it clearly shoots back.

And isn't it pretty damn coincidental that a man who can fucking conspire one of the greatest assassinations in history, is so smart, so quick thinking to make these hard shots - That he would not wear gloves when shootng his rifle, or the 6 shooter they found? COME ON.  You can't be that smart and that stupid at the same time.

Fact is that Oswald was a liberal in the middle of Dallas (conservative), Why would he shoot JFK? I think VP Johnson wanted his boss done away with, So the CIA took care of it for him.
IRONCHEF
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I'm of the opinion that it was a Russia/Cuba inspired event, and Oswald was the lone shooter.  No grassy knoll gunman.  How many failed (and might I add pitiful) attempts were there to assassinate Castro?
Mr.Dooomed
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I just read an article about WHY he was assasinated. I voted YES (3rd Party)

He was assassinated for his plan to introduce a new United States Currency RATHER then the private currency of the Federal Reserve that LOANS money to the United States.

He in fact got an ISSUE passed to start producing United States Notes (A Tax free, interest free currency for the people). He was ASSASSINATED because of this. The International Bankers and the Federal Reserve DID NOT want the United States to have its own currency, they WANTED the United States to stay on their method of loaning cash from them ON interest AND taxed. This is why our Government is in dept because we can not possibly pay back the money we have loaned FROM the Federal Reserve.

THAT is the TRUE conspiracy.

It is UNCONSTITONAL for the Federal Reserve System to be in effect. It is unlawful and entirely unconstitutional it goes against the principles of our Founding Fathers. It is even stated IN THE CONSTITUTION that CONGRESS has the sole power to produce the currency.  Congress, NOT private banks/companies (The Federal Reserve IS a private organization)

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm of the opinion that it was a Russia/Cuba inspired event, and Oswald was the lone shooter.  No grassy knoll gunman.  How many failed (and might I add pitiful) attempts were there to assassinate Castro?
WRONG.

It was a Presidential Decree that he passed this is the long article on EVERYTHING about his plan, and the Federal Reserve destroying that plan

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2008-01-29 14:46:47)

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IRONCHEF
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm of the opinion that it was a Russia/Cuba inspired event, and Oswald was the lone shooter.  No grassy knoll gunman.  How many failed (and might I add pitiful) attempts were there to assassinate Castro?
WRONG.

It was a Presidential Decree that he passed this is the long article on EVERYTHING about his plan, and the Federal Reserve destroying that plan
Mmmmkay.  And of course you KNOW I'm wrong and that, that, whatever it was you just said is right?  Citations for any of that?
SgtSlutter
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

I just read an article about WHY he was assasinated. I voted YES (3rd Party)

He was assassinated for his plan to introduce a new United States Currency RATHER then the private currency of the Federal Reserve that LOANS money to the United States.

He in fact got an ISSUE passed to start producing United States Notes (A Tax free, interest free currency for the people). He was ASSASSINATED because of this. The International Bankers and the Federal Reserve DID NOT want the United States to have its own currency, they WANTED the United States to stay on their method of loaning cash from them ON interest AND taxed. This is why our Government is in dept because we can not possibly pay back the money we have loaned FROM the Federal Reserve.

THAT is the TRUE conspiracy.

It is UNCONSTITONAL for the Federal Reserve System to be in effect. It is unlawful and entirely unconstitutional it goes against the principles of our Founding Fathers. It is even stated IN THE CONSTITUTION that CONGRESS has the sole power to produce the currency.  Congress, NOT private banks/companies (The Federal Reserve IS a private organization)

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm of the opinion that it was a Russia/Cuba inspired event, and Oswald was the lone shooter.  No grassy knoll gunman.  How many failed (and might I add pitiful) attempts were there to assassinate Castro?
WRONG.

It was a Presidential Decree that he passed this is the long article on EVERYTHING about his plan, and the Federal Reserve destroying that plan

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm
lol wut
Mr.Dooomed
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IRONCHEF wrote:

Mmmmkay.  And of course you KNOW I'm wrong and that, that, whatever it was you just said is right?  Citations for any of that?
It's a pretty solid argument. All you idiots voting "Oswald acted alone" really think he did it cause he had a grudge against the guy?
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

I voted YES...
Please link to the article.

You do raise valid points about the Fed and fiat money.

edit:  I just read the link in your post.  That isn't the link you were talking about is it?  That link simply states he issued an executive order initiating what you described, then was killed a few months later.  Does your link provide any substantial evidence?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-29 15:04:22)

IRONCHEF
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Mmmmkay.  And of course you KNOW I'm wrong and that, that, whatever it was you just said is right?  Citations for any of that?
It's a pretty solid argument. All you idiots voting "Oswald acted alone" really think he did it cause he had a grudge against the guy?
Didn't say he acted alone.  Said he was the lone gunman and that it was a Russian/Cuban arrangement.  How bout STFU with the idiot remarks and bring some dialog to your madness.
Ganko_06
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Mr.Dooomed
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I just read the link in your post.  That isn't the link you were talking about is it?  That link simply states he issued an executive order initiating what you described, then was killed a few months later.  Does your link provide any substantial evidence?
Oh, no it doesn't just simply state. That link is PAGES and PAGES in length. Did you not read all of it?

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.
Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money.
How could anybody be blind to this TRUTH?

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm
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IRONCHEF
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Wowwwweeee!!!  45 years later and NOBODY's figured this out..until Im_Dooomed spilled the beans!  So you gonna make a movie now and get Kostner in it?  He needs work.
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YAY 52% of BF2s'ers are not nutty!
Mr.Dooomed
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IRONCHEF wrote:

Wowwwweeee!!!  45 years later and NOBODY's figured this out..until Im_Dooomed spilled the beans!  So you gonna make a movie now and get Kostner in it?  He needs work.
It's my guess you work in the financial business

And, I'm not the one spilling the beans idiot. Look at all the books that have been written over time. People are just to ignorant to know the truth, or unwilling to care. You are a fine example of this.

Did you know you aren't required by ANY LAW to pay your income taxes?

Some more quotes if you are to lazy to read any thing directed off this page:

The privately owned Federal Reserve (FED) banks actually issue (create) the "money" we use. In 1964, the House Committee on Banking and Currency, Subcommittee on Domestic Finance, at the second session of the 88th Congress, put out a study entitled Money Facts which contains a good description of what the FED is: "The Federal Reserve is a total money-making machine. It can issue money or checks. And it never has a problem of making its checks good because it can obtain the $5 and $10 bills necessary to cover its check simply by asking the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving to print them".
Any one person or any closely knit group who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is exactly what the privately owned FED is!

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2008-01-29 15:19:48)

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IRONCHEF
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Wowwwweeee!!!  45 years later and NOBODY's figured this out..until Im_Dooomed spilled the beans!  So you gonna make a movie now and get Kostner in it?  He needs work.
It's my guess you work in the financial business

And, I'm not the one spilling the beans idiot. Look at all the books that have been written over time. People are just to ignorant to know the truth, or unwilling to care. You are a fine example of this.

Did you know you aren't required by ANY LAW to pay your income taxes?
Information Technology.

Never a documentary, film, or article have I seen in 36 years indicating he was ganked for wanting to create a new note.  Burden of proof is on you bucko so put up or shut up..or quit telling people their opinions are wrong and insulting them thus.

Yes, I'm aware there's no tax code that requires Americans to pay taxes (edit: "income taxes").  Wootcakes!  You got one right.

And before you continue, no, there was no evil smiley face in the smoke of WTC Tower 1.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-01-29 15:21:29)

Mr.Dooomed
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IRONCHEF wrote:

How bout STFU with the idiot remarks and bring some dialog to your madness.
How about you calm down?

"If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

-Thomas Jefferson
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I just read the link in your post.  That isn't the link you were talking about is it?  That link simply states he issued an executive order initiating what you described, then was killed a few months later.  Does your link provide any substantial evidence?
Oh, no it doesn't just simply state. That link is PAGES and PAGES in length. Did you not read all of it?

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.
Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money.
How could anybody be blind to this TRUTH?

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm
Where is the link between the two?  You can't just say - He issued an EO to destroy U.S. fiat currency policy and the Fed, he was assassinated, therefore he was assassinated because of his actions against the Fed.  At least some evidence would be nice.  Nowhere in that link is that (evidence) presented.

From what I read regarding that link, it is simply a typical and increasingly popular (albeit largely correct) argument against the Federal Reserve and Fiat currency, but with JFK thrown in for added conspiracy effect.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-29 15:26:37)

IRONCHEF
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How bout stop regurgitating the shows you watch on Democracy Now and try to not be an ass?
CameronPoe
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It was the Knutsens.
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It's simple geometry for the shot. The wounds aren't representative of multiple shots, and that has been proven countless times by several programs and experiments. As for Oswald acting alone, I recall some member of this forum saying something along the lines of "it doesn't take a great operation to kill a great man".
Mr.Dooomed
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

From what I read regarding that link, it is simply a typical and increasingly popular (albeit largely correct) argument against the Federal Reserve and Fiat currency, but with JFK thrown in for added conspiracy effect.
This is all from another article, should be the proof you need:

- Our records show that Kennedy issued $4,292,893,825 of cash money.  It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to under mine the Federal Reserve System of the United States.
- But it was only a few months later, In November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination.  No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime.  But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together.  For surely, President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create its own money.
A note-worty piece:
It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation.  Was this through an executive order of the newly installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Was President Johnson afraid of the Bankers? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate, all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed.  And not a word was said to the American people.
Both Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were assassinated while they held the high office of President of the United States.  Both of these former presidents had also created their own money system to run the United States while they were In office.  Is this just a coincidence?
All from this site: http://www.trosch.org/law/fed-paper-money.html

IRONCHEF wrote:

Never a documentary, film, or article have I seen in 36 years indicating he was ganked for wanting to create a new note.
Have you ever tried looking? It's important to understand these matters, and draw your own conclusion if you will. I'll take any sources you have on this Russian/Cuban arrangement coup of yours.

Please, just take the time to read that whole article and start questioning what you believe. If you don't, well try to just enjoy your life and hope for the best...
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

From what I read regarding that link, it is simply a typical and increasingly popular (albeit largely correct) argument against the Federal Reserve and Fiat currency, but with JFK thrown in for added conspiracy effect.
This is all from another article, should be the proof you need:

- Our records show that Kennedy issued $4,292,893,825 of cash money.  It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to under mine the Federal Reserve System of the United States.
- But it was only a few months later, In November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination.  No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime.  But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together.  For surely, President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create its own money.
A note-worty piece:
It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation.  Was this through an executive order of the newly installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Was President Johnson afraid of the Bankers? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate, all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed.  And not a word was said to the American people.
Both Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were assassinated while they held the high office of President of the United States.  Both of these former presidents had also created their own money system to run the United States while they were In office.  Is this just a coincidence?
All from this site: http://www.trosch.org/law/fed-paper-money.html

Please, just take the time to read that whole article and start questioning what you believe. If you don't, well try to just enjoy your life and hope for the best...
I am a skeptic - I routinely question all beliefs, including my own.  My and your definition of "evidence" must be different.  Provide something - anything - that indicates a direct correlation between the two.  You show possible intent on behalf of the Fed and maybe other interested parties, but there is no evidence to support your position, only speculation between the two events.

To me, saying what you are stating as fact (JFK assassinated for contradicting the Fed/Fiat currency) without the existence of compelling evidence (instead saying, "read into it, I have and it's true") is ridiculous.  Is there evidence that you have read about other than what you are providing - perhaps a link between Lee Harvey Oswald and the Fed, or some other compelling information?  In the absence of that information, and based strictly off what you have offered up as your reasoning so far, you need a lesson in critical analyzation.
Mr.Dooomed
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

In the absence of that information, and based strictly off what you have offered up as your reasoning so far, you need a lesson in critical analyzation.
So your saying, after reading all of that documentation about the FED, corruption, financial agendas, JFK, his Presidential Decrees, every thing on Abraham Lincoln and his desire to create the same United States Currency backed by precious metals...The idea of money from nothing and control of our government by private organizations...YOU need a connection between the person who actually killed JFK and the FED to believe it? Dude...I think you might need a lesson in common sense.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

In the absence of that information, and based strictly off what you have offered up as your reasoning so far, you need a lesson in critical analyzation.
So your saying, after reading all of that documentation about the FED, corruption, financial agendas, JFK, his Presidential Decrees, every thing on Abraham Lincoln and his desire to create the same United States Currency backed by precious metals...The idea of money from nothing and control of our government by private organizations...YOU need a connection between the person who actually killed JFK and the FED to believe it? Dude...I think you might need a lesson in common sense.
Yes, I need a something of more substance than - he went against a group of people therefore got assassinated.  Actually, it would be extremely useful if the typical "Fed and fiat currency are bad" rhetoric (which I happen to agree with for what it's worth) wasn't even included in that conclusion, as it gives an obvious agenda to the promotion (and promoters) of the theory you offer.

Here is a thought to ponder - Alan Greenspan was head of the FED, and a critic of fiat currency.  Numerous historical politicians have backed a gold standard or spoke against a fiat currency without being murdered.  Does that mean what you say is implausible or even untrue?  No.  However, with the absence of concrete evidence for your argument, it seemingly contradicts your speculative thought.
IRONCHEF
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If there were a connection, it didn't jump out obviously like, say, Kennedy's (and previous presidents) attempts to kill Castro.  Perhaps it didn't fit as well as the Cuban missile crisis.  Both things highly considered as the best candidates of "the conspiracy" for his assassination.
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