Null vote. I am an amateur historian at best, and it would take me years of hypothetical research to give a straight answer guess as to what the world would be like today if Islam hadn't sprang into being.
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How would the world be without Islam?
| It would be the same with wars, terrorism, hatred | 42% | 42% - 64 | ||||
| It would be less violent, but terrorism would exist | 46% | 46% - 70 | ||||
| It would have no terrorism | 11% | 11% - 17 | ||||
| Total: 151 | ||||||
I think it would be impossible.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Null vote. I am an amateur historian at best, and it would take me years of hypothetical research to give a straight answer guess as to what the world would be like today if Islam hadn't sprang into being.
Predicting the past can be tricky.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.Kmarion wrote:
Religion is a violent tool for violent tools. Nothing changes.. even if the world was totally devoid of all religion. We would be killing over something else.
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Side note: Today (1933) Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany by Hindenburg.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
yeah and?............This ain't my thread, if you wanna add Christianity to the thread I am all for it.Kmarion wrote:
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.Kmarion wrote:
Religion is a violent tool for violent tools. Nothing changes.. even if the world was totally devoid of all religion. We would be killing over something else.
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lif55.gif
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://i27.tinypic.com/kakynn.gif
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mebl0o.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2e18ufs.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/xndueu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2wn4tw3.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
You said the hypocrisy wouldn't be there. That is what I was addressing. You quoted me in your response.lowing wrote:
yeah and?............This ain't my thread, if you wanna add Christianity to the thread I am all for it.Kmarion wrote:
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lif55.gif
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://i27.tinypic.com/kakynn.gif
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mebl0o.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2e18ufs.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/xndueu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2wn4tw3.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Ya you know what OC boy? Next time you get shot at, or see a friend die next to you because of a religion (Not talking about Iraq, I am talking about Afghan 2002)....then you can open your fucking mouth. Until then, shove it.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
USM would need a new sig slogan.
Last edited by usmarine (2008-01-30 01:16:02)
Sorry David but your paranoia was induced not by terrorists, but by the media and its vilification of the whole Muslim Community. I must confess being paranoid about Muslims at some time, when Iran blew Israel's embassy and a Jewish organization in Buenos Aires. Even after 9/11 I was kinda paranoid, and before taking a flight I checked for Muslims. All that is a product of the media which brainwashed all of us.David.P wrote:
I'm gonna stay out of this one. But you know what i'll say(Never forget and Never give up! Kill them all!)
*cough* Option 2 *cough* (No i'm not delusional i know that some of the worlds terrorists are not muslim)Oh no i blame the my family for that. I blame Islam for Inducing Paranoia in my 12 year old mind back then, And i hate them for being so protected by the Left. I.E. cant be criticized without some sort of backlash involving racism and nazi-ism.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Davey P. would have to find a new group to blame for his pent up anger and anti-social behavior due to family and/or social problems.
Last edited by sergeriver (2008-01-30 02:32:40)
You don't bash other Religions like you do with Islam.lowing wrote:
yeah and?............This ain't my thread, if you wanna add Christianity to the thread I am all for it.Kmarion wrote:
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lif55.gif
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://i27.tinypic.com/kakynn.gif
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mebl0o.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2e18ufs.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/xndueu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2wn4tw3.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
That OC boy comment is full of prejudice. And you can't blame the whole Muslim Community for the actions of a few radicals. Let's blame all Christians for Torquemada and the Crusades, not thanks. That would be generalizing at its best. Maybe you like to generalize, I don't.usmarine wrote:
Ya you know what OC boy? Next time you get shot at, or see a friend die next to you because of a religion (Not talking about Iraq, I am talking about Afghan 2002)....then you can open your fucking mouth. Until then, shove it.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
USM would need a new sig slogan.
Look above the picture of Hitler leaving the church. He has a cross above his head, and above that cross is a face! Nyone else see it? Kinda freaky no!Kmarion wrote:
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.Kmarion wrote:
Religion is a violent tool for violent tools. Nothing changes.. even if the world was totally devoid of all religion. We would be killing over something else.
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lif55.gif
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://i27.tinypic.com/kakynn.gif
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mebl0o.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2e18ufs.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/xndueu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2wn4tw3.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Side note: Today (1933) Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany by Hindenburg.
Very freaky indeed. But I guess everything about Hitler is freaky.daddyofdeath wrote:
Look above the picture of Hitler leaving the church. He has a cross above his head, and above that cross is a face! Nyone else see it? Kinda freaky no!Kmarion wrote:
Hypocrisy comes in many forms. Hitler was a devote Christian. I wonder..lowing wrote:
Maybe, but at least the hypocrasy wouldn't be there.
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lif55.gif
On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday
Hitler Oath:
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
http://i27.tinypic.com/kakynn.gif
http://i27.tinypic.com/2mebl0o.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2e18ufs.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/xndueu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2wn4tw3.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Side note: Today (1933) Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany by Hindenburg.
I think something else whould just take it's place. Such as radical extremist Amish terror organisation.
Not wanting to get off topic but I cant resist.Showmethe monkey wrote:
I think something else whould just take it's place. Such as radical extremist Amish terror organisation.
Q. What goes "clip clop , clip clop , BANG"?
A. An Amish Drive by killing.
On topic, I believe that violence and terror will always be around, Islam or not.
The world would probably be more peaceful.
All I can say with certainty is that there would be a much happier 40 year-old bald guy in deep East Texas.
But you guys gotta remember the thousands of Afghan, Iraqi and Pakistani soldiers (most probably Muslims) that are fighting alongside everyday with most likely higher casualty rates.
So they're not all bad. Give 'em some credit where it's due.
So they're not all bad. Give 'em some credit where it's due.
It's not that they're all bad. I really believe that there are some Muslims who are probably as peaceful as the typical Buddhist, the problem is that it's similar to a plague that can't be cured. You have to wipe out everyone who MIGHT have it to make sure the rest of us don't get it. If some sickening fatal disease were located in a town of 30,000, and that town only, and only 10,000 people had it but you couldn't tell who did and who didn't until their heads exploded, and it wasn't curable and was highly contagious you'd have to grease the whole 30,000 and ask forgiveness for the innocent 20k.Mek-Izzle wrote:
But you guys gotta remember the thousands of Afghan, Iraqi and Pakistani soldiers (most probably Muslims) that are fighting alongside everyday with most likely higher casualty rates.
So they're not all bad. Give 'em some credit where it's due.
I'm willing to wipe out the rest of them to get rid of the problem.
It should be obvious to anyone with even a mild understanding of history and human nature that nothing would change.
Now all we need are threads that state what would the world be like without <insert another religion here>.
Now all we need are threads that state what would the world be like without <insert another religion here>.
Last edited by jsnipy (2008-01-30 07:58:11)
lolusmarine wrote:
It would be awesome.
It'd be the same. People would come up with other bullshit reasons for blowing themselves up.
It's people's minds and the way they think that make them do this - not Islam. It's their interpretations and lack of being able to think for themselves.
It's people's minds and the way they think that make them do this - not Islam. It's their interpretations and lack of being able to think for themselves.
Same. The world is the way it is because there are haves and have nots. The 'happiness' vacuum would be filled by some other group. The underlying thing driving violence and 'tribal tension' in the world is and always has been socio-economic status. Even the Crusades were driven by a bunch of landless second-born aristocrats with too much time on their hands and nothing to do with it.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-30 09:25:52)
Indeed. The true division is that among classes.CameronPoe wrote:
The world is the way it is because there are haves and have nots.
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The world is the way it is because there are have guns and have not guns. Or. The world is the way it is because there are have guns and have better guns. Or. The world is the way it is because there are have guns and have more guns. Or maybe. The world is the way it is because there are have guns and have more-better guns.
Really? Did you happen to live in New York at the time? Did you happen to see the PSA's running nearly 24/7 saying not all Muslims are terrorists? All 6 basic networks Cbs, Nbc, Abc, Fox, Upn, and the WB ran them. Hell not one network would run anything "Anti-Islamic" or critical of Islam to "induce paranoia" Fuck! All they did run was Muslims are our friends adverts, Children of all races holding hands, White Man and Indian Man hugging, Black guy Spanish woman sharing a smoothie, All smiling so falsely in wake of a terrible tragedy. I admit it got to me at first too, But that was before i saw BBC and their special the worlds reaction to 9/11. Every in the world people were sympathetic to the US, Except the ME! instead of showing some compassion they kept shouting death to america, allah akbar! Even little kids were saying it! These weren't some paid actors but real people, Muslim people saying they were glad for 9/11, That Allah had given divine judgement on America for support of Israel! Funny no US network had the balls to do this! Not even fox news! And we were censored back home aswell. In school therapy sessions when asking how we felt. I couldn't say fuck islam! No i had to say it was just a small minority because thats what the media said! Really? Fuck! I'm too pissed to make much more sense! I cant even think straight fuck! Isergeriver wrote:
Sorry David but your paranoia was induced not by terrorists, but by the media and its vilification of the whole Muslim Community.
I hate Islam it's a fucked up religion that has the luxury of hypocrisy because of the protection of the left!
Last edited by David.P (2008-01-30 09:52:41)