Sighhhhhhh, here we go againSpark wrote:
Islam is not a culture.lowing wrote:
this culture
lowing wrote:
Serge, of course I am genreralizing, it is kinda hard not too, since I personally do not know 67 billion Muslims. I have been specific about my opinions.sergeriver wrote:
Wrong about what, about not generalizing like you?lowing wrote:
I am not obsessed about Islam, I am obsessed about proving you wrong, and since you refuse to believe me........you can believe them
1. Radical Islam is a danger to western civilization I AGREE
2. Islam is a violent, intolerable religion. I STRONGLY DISAGREE
3. Islam goes against the morals, values, and freedoms western society holds dear. I DISAGREE
On all counts I do not have to dig very far to validate my opnions. YOU JUST DON'T
Never not once have a said anything about specific ordinary citizens. You use the "generalizing" defense in lieu of an ACTUAL defense. It is all you have. NO I HAVE YOUR POSTS
So.lowing wrote:
Sighhhhhhh, here we go againSpark wrote:
Islam is not a culture.lowing wrote:
this culture
http://www.tamu.edu/classes/cosc/choudhury/culture.html
Pick your definition..........If you can not correlate culture into this religion then there is no hope for you. Islam is not just a religion, it is a way of life.
Christians only need to believe an hour a week. The rest of the week they are off exercising their hypocrasy.
YOu mean you see something wrong with listening to people with experience?? That figures..........you go girl !!!!!Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Nothing like reading someone else's opinion of Islam eh? YOu could research it and decide for yourself. I know its easier to have someone tell you what to think.
Rap music kills people.
You know what ex- means don't you?lowing wrote:
This I love, if I found this on Fox News, you would all be over it like stink on shit, as a biased sorce. Well, these are people that lived the life and know far more than any of us. Yet you still call it a bad source. Basically, if the source does not agree with you, it is a shitty, unreliable source and that is bullshit. But certainly not surprising.
Really, lets see a Muslim wear a bikini and go spend the day at the beach, like most women in western society have done.Spark wrote:
So.lowing wrote:
Sighhhhhhh, here we go againSpark wrote:
Islam is not a culture.
http://www.tamu.edu/classes/cosc/choudhury/culture.html
Pick your definition..........If you can not correlate culture into this religion then there is no hope for you. Islam is not just a religion, it is a way of life.
Christians only need to believe an hour a week. The rest of the week they are off exercising their hypocrasy.
If you're a Muslim, that means you can't take part in whatever culture you happen to be in.
I don't think so. Go find your brain.
No I don't, they are "EX" for a reason, why are their reasons unreliable? Because they do not jive with your arguments. If this were a PRO-Muslim site, you would hold it as unbiased wouldn't you? No double standard there.Spark wrote:
You know what ex- means don't you?lowing wrote:
This I love, if I found this on Fox News, you would all be over it like stink on shit, as a biased sorce. Well, these are people that lived the life and know far more than any of us. Yet you still call it a bad source. Basically, if the source does not agree with you, it is a shitty, unreliable source and that is bullshit. But certainly not surprising.
How the hell can you not say that's not biased? You have troubles.
So you're saying it's not biased?lowing wrote:
No I don't, they are "EX" for a reason, why are their reasons unreliable? Because they do not jive with your arguments. If this were a PRO-Muslim site, you would hold it as unbiased wouldn't you? No double standard there.Spark wrote:
You know what ex- means don't you?lowing wrote:
This I love, if I found this on Fox News, you would all be over it like stink on shit, as a biased sorce. Well, these are people that lived the life and know far more than any of us. Yet you still call it a bad source. Basically, if the source does not agree with you, it is a shitty, unreliable source and that is bullshit. But certainly not surprising.
How the hell can you not say that's not biased? You have troubles.
Again if it agrees with you it is true, if it does not then it is biased or uncredable....BULLSHIT
You ans serge and everyone else use the term biased as uncredible and there for dismissive. If that is not the case, then apologiesSpark wrote:
So you're saying it's not biased?lowing wrote:
No I don't, they are "EX" for a reason, why are their reasons unreliable? Because they do not jive with your arguments. If this were a PRO-Muslim site, you would hold it as unbiased wouldn't you? No double standard there.Spark wrote:
You know what ex- means don't you?
How the hell can you not say that's not biased? You have troubles.
Again if it agrees with you it is true, if it does not then it is biased or uncredable....BULLSHIT
EVERYTHING is biased. First thing you learn studying history.
I did not say it was unreliable or lacked credibility. First thing I said, biased but that's OK. I'm looking at this from a historians point of view, and if I was studying this as a source for a text you MUST take into account the fact that they were former Muslims. This DOES have an impact on its reliability whether you like it or not. But it remains a USEFUL source for us because it does give us perspectives from former Muslims. Not current, former.
The site I gave. THAT is biased, majorly. But it is still useful, albeit a little unreliable for SOME THINGS.
(Why am I saying all this, I gave up history for a reason...)
I can't speak for everyone else, but bias =/= inherent and total unreliablity, but more importantly bias =/= not useful.lowing wrote:
You ans serge and everyone else use the term biased as uncredible and there for dismissive. If that is not the case, then apologiesSpark wrote:
So you're saying it's not biased?lowing wrote:
No I don't, they are "EX" for a reason, why are their reasons unreliable? Because they do not jive with your arguments. If this were a PRO-Muslim site, you would hold it as unbiased wouldn't you? No double standard there.
Again if it agrees with you it is true, if it does not then it is biased or uncredable....BULLSHIT
EVERYTHING is biased. First thing you learn studying history.
I did not say it was unreliable or lacked credibility. First thing I said, biased but that's OK. I'm looking at this from a historians point of view, and if I was studying this as a source for a text you MUST take into account the fact that they were former Muslims. This DOES have an impact on its reliability whether you like it or not. But it remains a USEFUL source for us because it does give us perspectives from former Muslims. Not current, former.
The site I gave. THAT is biased, majorly. But it is still useful, albeit a little unreliable for SOME THINGS.
(Why am I saying all this, I gave up history for a reason...)
Last edited by Spark (2008-01-31 16:45:15)
Well no shit sherlock!Spark wrote:
I read some of the articles. Interesting, but biased.
It certainly doesn't tell me what the basics of islam are, I found this:
http://www.islam.com/introislam.htm
That, too, is obviously biased, but as long as you take that into account, both sites could be useful.
EDIT: Actually a bit of good information on there, if you get past the obvious perspective issue and the lavish religious rhetoric that litters the site.
Ok, is there anything in the articles written by ex-muslims that is not true??Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
you asked a big general question ,, I can't answer because I dunno and it's hard to read it ,, give me a particular idea so I can help youlowing wrote:
Ok, is there anything in the articles written by ex-muslims that is not true??Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
lowing does much better when he thinks and speaks in generalities.Sonata wrote:
you asked a big general question ,, I can't answer because I dunno and it's hard to read it ,, give me a particular idea so I can help youlowing wrote:
Ok, is there anything in the articles written by ex-muslims that is not true??Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
how do the shia get away with praying only 3 times a day and the sunni have to do a full 5?Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
liberals do much better with an argument when they accuse you of generalizing, instead of facing the point of an argument. They can also dismiss your argument simply by calling you a racist and therefore not worthy of their monumentous wisdom.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing does much better when he thinks and speaks in generalities.Sonata wrote:
you asked a big general question ,, I can't answer because I dunno and it's hard to read it ,, give me a particular idea so I can help youlowing wrote:
Ok, is there anything in the articles written by ex-muslims that is not true??
anyone must pray five times a day,, this is Islam and this is what God just wanted us to do ,, it is true that anybody says: "we should pray only three times a day" ( so he believe in that ) this person is not a Muslim ,because saying that means: NOT believing in what prophet Muhammad says,,GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
how do the shia get away with praying only 3 times a day and the sunni have to do a full 5?Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
Hmmmmmmmm so you gotta follow the teachings of Muhammad to be a real Muslim huh?? CAM??!!! Are you listening????Sonata wrote:
anyone must pray five times a day,, this is Islam and this is what God just wanted us to do ,, it is true that anybody says: "we should pray only three times a day" ( so he believe in that ) this person is not a Muslim ,because saying that means: NOT believing in what prophet Muhammad says,,GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
how do the shia get away with praying only 3 times a day and the sunni have to do a full 5?Sonata wrote:
well I'm a Muslim guy , just ask me if you have any question about Islam
I don't claim that I know everything but ,, maybe I can help you,,
we share knowledge
if he doesn't believe Muhammad then he is not a Muslim
and you should know that most of the people who we call "Shia" most of them are NOT Muslims ( whether they call themselves Muslims or not ),, I can't say : Sunni is a Muslim and Shia is not.. this isn't clear,, the clear is to look at the beliefs and sayings and actions of the person then you may decide if he is a Muslim or not.
so there are millions of people who call themselves "Muslims" but they are NOT Muslims.
sorry if my English sucks
thanks
well, if they are ex-muslims, then they must feel that Islam is lacking a necessary element of truth, no?sergeriver wrote:
This is not unbiased, even if they are ex-Muslims. What is worrying is this obsession you have.