this is the part where he says that islam is a threat to his life.CameronPoe wrote:
Not a big fan of 'live and let live'? What the fuck did Sonata ever do to you, eh?Nomiss wrote:
I'm against all religions, but we were talking about Islam now, weren't we?CameronPoe wrote:
You're just as bad as the type of people you're describing. Here's a newsflash for you: all religion is bullshit irrespective of 'how old they are'. There ye go.
GunSlinger OIF II I'm from Saudi Arabia
I'm not actually hurting your mind, it might feel like I do though, since you've been brainwashed your entire life. You're allergic to facts.Sonata wrote:
you also disgust me very much,, you are hurting my mind.
Ignorance is very ugly.
Wahabi?Sonata wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II I'm from Saudi Arabia
I like getting stoned. lol.King_County_Downy wrote:
Meh. Beheading is so 90's.ATG wrote:
What do we have, step by step beheading guide?
I'll check it out and get back to you.
I say bring back stoning!
This word "Wahabi" doesn't make sense.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Wahabi?Sonata wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II I'm from Saudi Arabia
Sorry, I missed your post earlier.CameronPoe wrote:
Not a big fan of 'live and let live'? What the fuck did Sonata ever do to you, eh? Everybody is entitled to hold their own opinions and viewpoints as long as they don't hurt anyone else in so doing.Nomiss wrote:
I'm against all religions, but we were talking about Islam now, weren't we?CameronPoe wrote:
You're just as bad as the type of people you're describing. Here's a newsflash for you: all religion is bullshit irrespective of 'how old they are'. There ye go.
Of course he can have his opinions, his religion is destructive though, and I don't want his religion in my country. He can do whatever he wants in Saudi Arabia, I even said that he deserved some respect for staying in Saudi Arabia.
الوهابيةSonata wrote:
This word "Wahabi" doesn't make sense.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Wahabi?Sonata wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II I'm from Saudi Arabia
Ok what then ?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
الوهابيةSonata wrote:
This word "Wahabi" doesn't make sense.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Wahabi?
I've talked to a lot of Muslims about stuff. Breaking barriers and all that shit. But don't generalise guys, if this Sonata guy gives a bad impression of Islam. Remember he doesn't speak for all Muslims. Only "real" ones...
Most Muslims I've met are soft core, or pretty normal. They're being "Westernised" to a degree. Like smoking/drinking and not going mosque.
Here's a question. Do you think it's okay to question your religion? To think about why you are actually a Muslim or whether you take every word of your book as gospel fact. Or is that like, blasphemy?Sonata wrote:
you also disgust me very much,, you are hurting my mind.
Most Muslims I've met are soft core, or pretty normal. They're being "Westernised" to a degree. Like smoking/drinking and not going mosque.
His religion is not destructive. It is a distinct culture and heritage that you do not have to have anything to do with, because you live in Sweden. They adhere to their customs in their countries, over here they have to play by our rules, by law. I've been to Stockholm and Ludvika and from what I've seen you don't exactly seem plagued by Muslim hordes. You should try opening your mind a bit and taking a long weekend in Istanbul, a trip to Petra in Jordan, a camel ride in Marrakech or ferryboat on the Nile. Islam is not what you see on TV.Nomiss wrote:
Sorry, I missed your post earlier.
Of course he can have his opinions, his religion is destructive though, and I don't want his religion in my country. He can do whatever he wants in Saudi Arabia, I even said that he deserved some respect for staying in Saudi Arabia.
You do realize that many view your particular sect of islam with hostility. Rightfully so in some occasions. You not having respects for the cultures and religions around you isnt good either. I dont believe anything yours, or anyone else's beliefs. claims as true.Sonata wrote:
Ok what then ?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
الوهابيةSonata wrote:
This word "Wahabi" doesn't make sense.
But you don't live here do you? What the fuck do you know after being in Sweden for a few days? I don't think you should talk about the situation in Sweden. They bring their religion here and demand respect for it. I've even heard a few of them talking about changing our laws because they don't want us to draw any more pictures of Muhammad. Freedom != Islam.CameronPoe wrote:
His religion is not destructive. It is a distinct culture and heritage that you do not have to have anything to do with, because you live in Sweden. They adhere to their customs in their countries, over here they have to play by our rules, by law. I've been to Stockholm and Ludvika and from what I've seen you don't exactly seem plagued by Muslim hordes. You should try opening your mind a bit and taking a long weekend in Istanbul, a trip to Petra in Jordan, a camel ride in Marrakech or ferryboat on the Nile. Islam is not what you see on TV.Nomiss wrote:
Sorry, I missed your post earlier.
Of course he can have his opinions, his religion is destructive though, and I don't want his religion in my country. He can do whatever he wants in Saudi Arabia, I even said that he deserved some respect for staying in Saudi Arabia.
Every once in a while you can see them on the streets, shouting "Allahu akbar" and "Respect our prophet!". Islam isn't what you see on the news, but it is what you can read in the Quran, right? I don't want them here, unless they keep their religion to themselves. I know what I've read in the Quran and what I've heard from Muslims. I don't need to "open my mind".
Where did you find me not having respects for the cultures and religions ??GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
You do realize that many view your particular sect of islam with hostility. Rightfully so in some occasions. You not having respects for the cultures and religions around you isnt good either. I dont believe anything yours, or anyone else's beliefs. claims as true.Sonata wrote:
Ok what then ?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
الوهابية
yeah, everybody must get stoned.King_County_Downy wrote:
Meh. Beheading is so 90's.ATG wrote:
What do we have, step by step beheading guide?
I'll check it out and get back to you.
I say bring back stoning!
Sonata, you bring a very fresh perspective for us westerners. I have a couple questions though. You seem to contradict yourself a bit. First you said that Islam is proven then you say that you have to "believe". If its proven, then there is no need for "faith".
It seems a bit narrow for you to say that Shiites are not Muslim because they only pray 3 times a day (because of the 12th Imam, i think). They believ in 99% of the same things as you, so it seems like you believe 99% the same as a non muslim. Is that not hippocritical.
I am unclear on Mohammed's mission or purpose. I understand he was put there by Allah to spread Islam. If he is spreading Islam using violence(last ditch effort as i understand it) is that actually spreading Islam or is it spreading fear?? If they had to scare people into believing in Islam, then the people they spread it to dont truely believe in Islam. They believe in not being killed for Islam.
If muslim's see non-muslims as "infidels" then how come they can do business with the non muslim?? Seem's a bit silly to trade goods with someone you see as an enemy or lesser being. If Islam's teachings were all true, would God's people (ie. muslims in this case) be living in worse conditions than the infidels?? If so, how does that make an average muslim feel "more holy" than anyone else. Does it not raise questions at least.
If a muslim kills an "infidel", are they greeted in heaven by 40 virgins or something?? If they are, then how can a muslim sit in a room and do business with a non-muslim without being tempted to kill them. If i honestly believed that i would recieve all these great benefits for killing non-muslims why wouldn't i kill every single one i saw. Why do muslims get put in jail by other muslims for killing a non-muslim. Is it not an honour to kill an infidel??
Are infidels anyone that is not muslim or is it only an "enemy of Islam", someone who is trying to break it or convert away from it??
Thanks for the blog Sonata, i hope you dont take offense to my questions or different opinions. Regards.
It seems a bit narrow for you to say that Shiites are not Muslim because they only pray 3 times a day (because of the 12th Imam, i think). They believ in 99% of the same things as you, so it seems like you believe 99% the same as a non muslim. Is that not hippocritical.
I am unclear on Mohammed's mission or purpose. I understand he was put there by Allah to spread Islam. If he is spreading Islam using violence(last ditch effort as i understand it) is that actually spreading Islam or is it spreading fear?? If they had to scare people into believing in Islam, then the people they spread it to dont truely believe in Islam. They believe in not being killed for Islam.
If muslim's see non-muslims as "infidels" then how come they can do business with the non muslim?? Seem's a bit silly to trade goods with someone you see as an enemy or lesser being. If Islam's teachings were all true, would God's people (ie. muslims in this case) be living in worse conditions than the infidels?? If so, how does that make an average muslim feel "more holy" than anyone else. Does it not raise questions at least.
If a muslim kills an "infidel", are they greeted in heaven by 40 virgins or something?? If they are, then how can a muslim sit in a room and do business with a non-muslim without being tempted to kill them. If i honestly believed that i would recieve all these great benefits for killing non-muslims why wouldn't i kill every single one i saw. Why do muslims get put in jail by other muslims for killing a non-muslim. Is it not an honour to kill an infidel??
Are infidels anyone that is not muslim or is it only an "enemy of Islam", someone who is trying to break it or convert away from it??
Thanks for the blog Sonata, i hope you dont take offense to my questions or different opinions. Regards.
When you call shiites heretics (in not so many words)Sonata wrote:
Where did you find me not having respects for the cultures and religions ??GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
You do realize that many view your particular sect of islam with hostility. Rightfully so in some occasions. You not having respects for the cultures and religions around you isnt good either. I dont believe anything yours, or anyone else's beliefs. claims as true.Sonata wrote:
Ok what then ?
Ireland and Sweden are not a million miles away from each other ye know. We're both affluent EU nations with stacks of immigrants trying to get in. I haven't seen one single solitary attempt by Muslims here to impose their views on anyone else. EVEN IF THEY DID it would be futile and you could happily ignore them because the fact of the matter is this: they can't change shit. Seriously man, I do think you need to open your mind. Muslims can be amongst the friendliest and most generous people you can meet and not all of them are pious Q'uran thumpers. You seem to have a penchant for generalisation and a tendency towards unwarranted paranoia. The Q'uran is just like any other religious book such as the Torah or the Bible.Nomiss wrote:
But you don't live here do you? What the fuck do you know after being in Sweden for a few days? I don't think you should talk about the situation in Sweden. They bring their religion here and demand respect for it. I've even heard a few of them talking about changing our laws because they don't want us to draw any more pictures of Muhammad. Freedom != Islam.
Every once in a while you can see them on the streets, shouting "Allahu akbar" and "Respect our prophet!". Islam isn't what you see on the news, but it is what you can read in the Quran, right? I don't want them here, unless they keep their religion to themselves. I know what I've read in the Quran and what I've heard from Muslims. I don't need to "open my mind".
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Generalisation? UNWARRANTED paranoia? Okay... I'm not even gonna discuss this with you. I've read some parts of the Quran, and I didn't like what I saw. I don't want Muslim friends. A true Muslim believes in the Quran, and that it's "God's word" and all that shit. I just can't accept the Quran.CameronPoe wrote:
Ireland and Sweden are not a million miles away from each other ye know. We're both affluent EU nations with stacks of immigrants trying to get in. I haven't seen one single solitary attempt by Muslims here to impose their views on anyone else. EVEN IF THEY DID it would be futile and you could happily ignore them because the fact of the matter is this: they can't change shit. Seriously man, I do think you need to open your mind. Muslims can be amongst the friendliest and most generous people you can meet and not all of them are pious Q'uran thumpers. You seem to have a penchant for generalisation and a tendency towards unwarranted paranoia. The Q'uran is just like any other religious book such as the Torah or the Bible.Nomiss wrote:
But you don't live here do you? What the fuck do you know after being in Sweden for a few days? I don't think you should talk about the situation in Sweden. They bring their religion here and demand respect for it. I've even heard a few of them talking about changing our laws because they don't want us to draw any more pictures of Muhammad. Freedom != Islam.
Every once in a while you can see them on the streets, shouting "Allahu akbar" and "Respect our prophet!". Islam isn't what you see on the news, but it is what you can read in the Quran, right? I don't want them here, unless they keep their religion to themselves. I know what I've read in the Quran and what I've heard from Muslims. I don't need to "open my mind".
And about the Torah and the Bible, when did I say I liked them?! I think some parts of them are even worse than the Quran! However, we don't have a lot of true Christians in Sweden, or in the rest of the world, so I'm not worried about them. We have homosexual priests lol. There is obvious "proof" in the Bible and the Torah that God is against homosexuality. We have a lot of true Muslims though.
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ODIN!!!Nomiss wrote:
Generalisation? UNWARRANTED paranoia? Okay... I'm not even gonna discuss this with you. I've read some parts of the Quran, and I didn't like what I saw. I don't want Muslim friends. A true Muslim believes in the Quran, and that it's "God's word" and all that shit. I just can't accept the Quran.CameronPoe wrote:
Ireland and Sweden are not a million miles away from each other ye know. We're both affluent EU nations with stacks of immigrants trying to get in. I haven't seen one single solitary attempt by Muslims here to impose their views on anyone else. EVEN IF THEY DID it would be futile and you could happily ignore them because the fact of the matter is this: they can't change shit. Seriously man, I do think you need to open your mind. Muslims can be amongst the friendliest and most generous people you can meet and not all of them are pious Q'uran thumpers. You seem to have a penchant for generalisation and a tendency towards unwarranted paranoia. The Q'uran is just like any other religious book such as the Torah or the Bible.Nomiss wrote:
But you don't live here do you? What the fuck do you know after being in Sweden for a few days? I don't think you should talk about the situation in Sweden. They bring their religion here and demand respect for it. I've even heard a few of them talking about changing our laws because they don't want us to draw any more pictures of Muhammad. Freedom != Islam.
Every once in a while you can see them on the streets, shouting "Allahu akbar" and "Respect our prophet!". Islam isn't what you see on the news, but it is what you can read in the Quran, right? I don't want them here, unless they keep their religion to themselves. I know what I've read in the Quran and what I've heard from Muslims. I don't need to "open my mind".
And about the Torah and the Bible, when did I say I liked them?! I think some parts of them are even worse than the Quran! However, we don't have a lot of true Christians in Sweden, or the rest of the world, so I'm not worried about them. We have homosexual priests lol. There is obvious "proof" in the Bible and the Torah that God is against homosexuality. We have a lot of true Muslims though.
You call people closed minded for reading and following certain religious texts and then you decide on the basis of reading an archaic religious text that all Muslims are bad and that you don't ever want any Muslim friends. Sorry buddy but you seem to have issues.Nomiss wrote:
Generalisation? UNWARRANTED paranoia? Okay... I'm not even gonna discuss this with you. I've read some parts of the Quran, and I didn't like what I saw. I don't want Muslim friends. A true Muslim believes in the Quran, and that it's "God's word" and all that shit. I just can't accept the Quran.
And about the Torah and the Bible, when did I say I liked them?! I think some parts of them are even worse than the Quran! However, we don't have a lot of true Christians in Sweden, or in the rest of the world, so I'm not worried about them. We have homosexual priests lol. There is obvious "proof" in the Bible and the Torah that God is against homosexuality. We have a lot of true Muslims though.
I dunno how do you think but please don't think about Islam as a special religion for special people,, I'm not talking about myself, damn myself,, and I'm not talking about Muslims,, I'm talking about the religion itself,, look at Quran and Muhammad's sayings and actions,,
anyone should not be a Muslim for Muslims,, that is wrong,, you should be a Muslim just for God.
anyone should not be a Muslim for Muslims,, that is wrong,, you should be a Muslim just for God.
THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD DAMNIT!Sonata wrote:
I dunno how do you think but please don't think about Islam as a special religion for special people,, I'm not talking about myself, damn myself,, and I'm not talking about Muslims,, I'm talking about the religion itself,, look at Quran and Muhammad's sayings and actions,,
anyone should not be a Muslim for Muslims,, that is wrong,, you should be a Muslim just for God.
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
Issues? I don't like the Quran, a true Muslim believes that everything in the Quran is God's word and should be followed. I don't like the Quran, I think it's pure evil. I don't want an evil (in my opinion) friend. That's all, I wouldn't wanna be friends with a nazi either.CameronPoe wrote:
You call people closed minded for reading and following certain religious texts and then you decide on the basis of reading an archaic religious text that all Muslims are bad and that you don't ever want any Muslim friends. Sorry buddy but you seem to have issues.Nomiss wrote:
Generalisation? UNWARRANTED paranoia? Okay... I'm not even gonna discuss this with you. I've read some parts of the Quran, and I didn't like what I saw. I don't want Muslim friends. A true Muslim believes in the Quran, and that it's "God's word" and all that shit. I just can't accept the Quran.
And about the Torah and the Bible, when did I say I liked them?! I think some parts of them are even worse than the Quran! However, we don't have a lot of true Christians in Sweden, or in the rest of the world, so I'm not worried about them. We have homosexual priests lol. There is obvious "proof" in the Bible and the Torah that God is against homosexuality. We have a lot of true Muslims though.
quit getting sand in your vaginaRabbit.v2 wrote:
THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD DAMNIT!Sonata wrote:
I dunno how do you think but please don't think about Islam as a special religion for special people,, I'm not talking about myself, damn myself,, and I'm not talking about Muslims,, I'm talking about the religion itself,, look at Quran and Muhammad's sayings and actions,,
anyone should not be a Muslim for Muslims,, that is wrong,, you should be a Muslim just for God.
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD
THERE IS NO GOD