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not specifically bonds, but when i searched for "sports doping", i though bonds was a good fit.

i thought i'd share an article i read in Triathlete magazine (January issue 2008).  it has a couple entries on doping in [endurance] sports.  it is a long(er) read, but the gist is this: "given the logistical and financial pressures of rigorous drug-testing protocols, is it time to give up a losing battle (and create a level playing field) by abandoning doping enforcement in sport?"
the first article (1 of 2)
Bust the Cheaters  by Cameron Elford
“Winners don’t do drugs.”  If ever there were a more anemic and vacuous turn of phrase I’m powerless to recall what it may be (although “Can’t we all just get along” runs a close second).  Still, putting aside for the moment the medical and ethical implications of doping, athletes who achieve chemically enhanced greatness- regardless of whether they ever get caught- are subject to a character flaw that permits them to conflate race results with personal pr professional success. 

To wit, regardless of the number of victories they notch, can a doper ever claim having been successful, either in terms of personal accomplishment or by way of bettering the sport?  It’s for this reason that many pro athletes ultimately make the decision to come clean, as did 1996 Tour de freedom France champion Bjarne Riis, even if the admission is only made once the athlete is safely beyond the reach of sanctions.  In Riis’s case, his doping mea culpa came after nearly a decade of retirement from pro cycling, but at least he set the record straight.
Now, Brad may claim that current testing protocols are ineffectual and fail to level the playing field since many more athletes dope than are caught, creating a prisoners’ dilemma of sorts for those who want to race clean but fear they will be at a disadvantage by doing so. 

Yes, I agree this is problematic, but it’s hardly a convincing justification for deciding to not catch anybody.  Even if drug testing in sport were suspended or eliminated it would not level the playing field as there are athletes who, guided either by health concerns or an internal sense of fair play, who would shun the needle – an act that would, deservedly or undeservedly, place a virtual asterisk next to ever top performance, driving away fans and sponsors who, whether out of disgust or just increasing ambivalence, would likely stop caring and, in the case of the corporate backers that bankroll pro sport, run away from the negative implications of a brand association with a sport that tacitly endorses doping by ignoring the problem. 

Finally, there’s a medical question.  There are pundits who, in the case of recombinant EPO abuse for instance, argue that WADA and the individual governing bodies for each sport should maintain an upper limit on hematorcrit levels (the number of red blood cells in a given volume of blood, set by WADA at 50 percent) but then ignore how athletes hit this upper mark, whether through altitude training, good genes or drugs.
But in such an argument is as dangerous as it is foolish.  Surely there are enough people left who feel that sport should remain on some level a game of chance with top results accruing through hard work and patience rather than from synthetic enhancement.  Additionally, the range of naturally occurring hematopcrit levels caries from person to person (between 32-43 percent on average), and grossly exceeding one’s natural range can dangerously boost the blood’s viscosity leading to heart failure or stroke (Google “EPO death” if you aren’t convinced).
Setting aside drug testing is simply not where we want to go as a sport, and those who argue otherwise simply don’t understand what’s at stake.  And should their nonsensical policy ever gain mainstream acceptance, it will put both the athletes and sport as a while on life support.
the next article (below)
Just Say “Hell Yes” to Drugs by Brad Culp
Okay, before you get all worked up, let me start by saying I’ve never done a drug in my life.  There are two reasons for my abstinence from performance enhancing drugs: 
     (1)    I’m not a doctor.  I don’t trust myself to administer anything beyond Bengay and aspirin. 
     (2)    I can’t afford drugs.  I can barely afford Bengay and aspirin.  How the hell would I finance a regimen of EPO?

There’s no doubt that illegal drugs are destroying endurance sports,.  What’s the solution? Instead of eliminating the drug, eliminate the “illegal” tag. 

I know, by now your face is turning red and you’ve begun to type a letter to the editor asking for my resignation.  Don’t bother.  He’s the one who put me up to this.

Think about it.  The better testing procedures become, the better athletes become at thwarting positive tests.  There’s always going to be someone cheating.  Hell, I bet there are dudes on the Olympic Curling Team who have more amphetamines pumping through their systems than some of the best cyclists.  As long as there’s money and fame involved, someone is going to do whatever it takes to be on top. 

More importantly, the main concern of every sport’s governing body should be the health and safety of its athletes.  The safest thing for athletes to do is adhere to the “Just say no” motto, but we all know that’s just not going to happen.  Most athletes have less medical background than yours truly, but that hasn’t stopped them from self-administering questionable drugs from South American farmacias in the past.  If drugs like EPO and testosterone were removed from WADA’s list of banned substances and regulated then athletes wouldn’t have to worry about overdosing and having their heart rates drop to 13 beats per minute while they sleep. 

The only way to truly level the playing field in triathlon, and other sports, is to just give up the fight.  The bad press that comes from doping incidents has already killed cycling, it’s killing baseball and it will kill triathlon.  If this sport goes down, then I’m out of a job.  Then it’s back to flipping burgers at In-N-Out Burger.  Or, I could get on some pharmaceuticals and climb my way to the top of the world table-tennis circuit.
info and articles are credited to [above] authors and Triathlete magazine
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6971|Texas - Bigger than France
I find this topic interesting - my thought is I don't care if pros dope up or not.  I do however draw the line if you aren't pro.

I like home runs, I like massive 300 lb runningbacks, 100+ mph fastballs, runners who can run flat out for seven days.

Everyone likes that.  Otherwise there wouldn't be "Pros" televised.  People want to see the best and pay to see the best...so why not let them do it if they want to?

Of course I say this, assuming there's no 'roids below the pro level and there's no drawbacks from doing the drug (aka roid rage).
usmarine
Banned
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I don't really care about it.  I rather enjoy watching Clemens and others try to deny it.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6791|Vancouver

Pug wrote:

I find this topic interesting - my thought is I don't care if pros dope up or not.  I do however draw the line if you aren't pro.

I like home runs, I like massive 300 lb runningbacks, 100+ mph fastballs, runners who can run flat out for seven days.

Everyone likes that.  Otherwise there wouldn't be "Pros" televised.  People want to see the best and pay to see the best...so why not let them do it if they want to?

Of course I say this, assuming there's no 'roids below the pro level and there's no drawbacks from doing the drug (aka roid rage).
Professional sports are big entertainment today, not a serious competition. Each league of every sport has spelled this out- Forget competition (it's now the second most important aspect), it is a business that demands big money. There still is the need for competition and fairness, but sportsmanship loses when steroids and other drugs appeal to the business aspect of sports.
De_Jappe
Triarii
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The only problem if you "legalize" the use of drugs, is that people will keep taking more and more and then there will drop a few people to death because of overdosis.

Not to mention those who love their sport, yet don't want to ruin their body can't participate in the competition cause they use no doping.

So for the health of the sports and the athletes, I would say: No to doping, keep inventing methods to discover finding them, and get the dirt out of the competition. I like to see a cyclist go all the way to climb that mountain and win exhausted but knowing he had to go deep for it, instead of seeing mr steroid ride up it with a smile.

My humble opinion.

Last edited by De_Jappe (2008-02-04 14:17:13)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6971|Texas - Bigger than France

Drakef wrote:

Professional sports are big entertainment today, not a serious competition. Each league of every sport has spelled this out- Forget competition (it's now the second most important aspect), it is a business that demands big money. There still is the need for competition and fairness, but sportsmanship loses when steroids and other drugs appeal to the business aspect of sports.
Ah...but wait a minute.  Aren't we willing to put up big bucks to see the best?

And if performance enhancements make you "better" isn't the quality of the product "better"?

(Throwing the morality and ethics issues aside of course).
KEN-JENNINGS
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Doping is more or less inevitable to some extent.  There will be legal drugs and illegal drugs available, and there will probably always be drugs that are "undetected".  There are health implications often from drugs and/or workout regimens after the fact.  Then there is the social stigma that may or may not be a factor (depending on the view).

There are two factions that will decide the fate of doping in sports (and this is for all sports): The fans and the athelets.  The fans can decide to not go to a game, not watch a game, not support the teams or players.  The atheletes can hold their peers to a specific standard in regards to doping and come to an agreement on the view of doping.

I think it is dubious that members of Congress are inserting themselves into the discussion.  To me there are far more worrying problems with our country than atheletes taking performance drugs illegally.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
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Pug wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Professional sports are big entertainment today, not a serious competition. Each league of every sport has spelled this out- Forget competition (it's now the second most important aspect), it is a business that demands big money. There still is the need for competition and fairness, but sportsmanship loses when steroids and other drugs appeal to the business aspect of sports.
Ah...but wait a minute.  Aren't we willing to put up big bucks to see the best?

And if performance enhancements make you "better" isn't the quality of the product "better"?

(Throwing the morality and ethics issues aside of course).
Exactly my point. Consumers will pay great deals of money to watch these sports and to wear their apparel. The game of professional sports is business-orientated, and will always want greater profits. If we then conclude that professional sports are about entertainment, then we must accept that the use of performance enhancing drugs are an excellent benefit to professional sports. The leagues likely are secretly pleased with efforts such as the home run race becoming monstrous, but publicly denounce drugging as it is bad publicity. The public demands an end to performance enhancement, but it is juxtaposed with our desire for better entertainment.

So, yes, you are right. Professional sports are entertainment industries, and performance enhancers create a better product to sell.
usmarine
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Drakef wrote:

So, yes, you are right. Professional sports are entertainment industries, and performance enhancers create a better product to sell.
Not correct.  When taxpayer money is involved, it becomes more than entertainment.
SgtSlutter
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IRONCHEF
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Never thought of it that way...  stop enforcing drug use among pros.  I only think that might be a good idea because soon those POS losers will just kill themselves and then we can applaud their stupid asses for using drugs for their "sports" jobs.  Also, if it's legalized, the crap drugs will flow freely and make more mutants out of more athletes going for the big bucks.

Correct, I couldn't give a shit about ANY pro athletes in ANY sport that's making more money than I do.  Sports should not be so high paid and the loser that support them by paying insane ticket prices should also suffer for lack of entertainment.  Sports should be for namesake, non-monetary fame, and for the simple honor of competition.  Be nice if school teaching jobs fetched the big bucks!
Locoloki
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I think we should mix some estrogen in with the testosterone injections

hilarity ensues

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