Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
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Pres. Bush recently submitted a federal budget of $3.1 Trillion, touting it as the first step to a balanced budget by 2012.

For the entire 8 years Bush has been in office, he has consistently failed at trying to achieve a balanced budget, much less actually making one. You are not allowed to call it a balanced budget if you throw so much money into it, you would have to start making gold plated tanks to spend it all. And the funny thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if they did spend it all. 

“Thanks to the hard work of the American people and spending discipline in Washington, we are now on a path to balance the budget by 2012,” the president said in an introductory message. “Our formula for achieving a balanced budget is simple: Create the conditions for economic growth, keep taxes low, and spend taxpayer dollars wisely or not at all.”
The stark contrast between this sentence and fact borders on comedy. Not only is he predicting a future that he (thankfully) has no power over and as pretty much done everything he can to jeopardize, is he even talking about the same Washington D.C. we're familiar with? When I think of D.C., spending discipline isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind.

But my favorite line is the last one. For a President to tout a plan that requires taxpayer dollars to be spend wisely or not at all, then to include a military budget of $515.4 billion, is almost insulting. By the way, this budget would include the highest US military budget since WWII. While our troops are long overdue for the equipment they need and better pay and benefits, we all know that's not where this money will go.

A last note, we are nearly spending as much as we owe. Bush's $3.1 Trillion budget nearly eclipses the $3.3 Trillion debt he inherited in 2001, and will thrust our national debt to $5.4 trillion by the end of this year.

Thank you Mr. Decider.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6920|Northern California
Hell, make it 4 trillion!  China is up for the high interest loan!
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6757

Debt = bad. We can not possibly pay it back with the Federal Reserve taxing and loaning new money to our Government.



(Back on topic anyone?)
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6971|Texas - Bigger than France
I tried I really tried.

There were all these numbers and dollar signs.

My suggestion:
If we are $3.3T in debt, instead of $3.1T budget, the government should not be funded at all.  And they ought to pay us the $0.2T leftover.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7030|132 and Bush

The Details
Source:Whitehouse

Addresses Immediate Economic Challenges

Includes a bipartisan economic growth package that spurs investment and strengthens the Nation's economy.

    * Provides approximately $100 billion in temporary relief that would allow Americans to keep more of their paychecks to spend as they see fit.

    * Saves businesses approximately $50 billion in near-term taxes through a temporary change to the tax code that will allow American businesses that buy new equipment this year to deduct an additional 50 percent of the cost of their investment in 2008.

    * Continues economic growth which is a crucial element in reducing the deficit and balances the budget in 2012, but this growth package, combined with a slowing economy, does contribute to the near-term budget deficit. In FY08 the deficit will represent 2.9 percent of GDP, and 2.7 percent of GDP in FY09.

Promotes and preserves the American dream of homeownership though education and assistance to combat foreclosures and maintain a stable, healthy housing market.

    * Increases mortgage financing options for homebuyers and homeowners through reforms in Federal Housing Administration authority such as risk-based pricing to offer a wider variety of mortgage products and create more homeownership opportunities.

    * Includes $65 million for the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Housing Counseling program, and $150 million for the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation to help educate consumers, combat foreclosures, and promote a healthier housing market.

    * Provides $2 billion for the HOME Investment Partnership program, including $50 million for the American Dream Downpayment Initiative to expand affordable housing and minority homeownership.

    * Facilitates public-private partnership – the HOPE NOW Alliance – that includes a group of lenders, loan servicers, mortgage counselors, and investors to identify troubled borrowers and help them refinance or modify their mortgages, so more families can stay in their homes.

Ensures Sustained Prosperity

Makes tax relief permanent for long-term economic growth and sustainability.

    * The President's 2001 and 2003 tax relief fostered economic growth, but is currently set to expire in 2010. Inaction would result in 116 million taxpayers seeing a tax increase of $1,800, on average.

Improves access for more Americans to affordable health care by fostering a marketplace, encouraging competition, and improving efficiency.

    * Fosters a marketplace: Levels the playing field for those Americans who do not receive health care through their employer. Replaces the existing – and unlimited – tax exclusion for employer-sponsored insurance with a standard health insurance deduction for everyone.

    * Encourages competition: Establishes association health plans for small employers, civic groups, and community organizations. Creates a competitive marketplace across state lines. Reforms medical liability law to reduce frivolous legal proceedings.

    * Improves efficiency: Facilitates health information technology advancements through the adoption of policies that will encourage physicians and others to adopt electronic health records and through furthering technologies for safe, secure health information exchange.

Builds on the success of No Child Left Behind through support of proposals to reauthorize and strengthen the law while also proposing policies to make college more affordable for families.

    * $14.3 billion for Title I – a 63 percent increase since 2001 – to continue driving improvement through NCLB. Last year, fourth and eighth graders achieved the highest math scores on record. African-American and Hispanic students are making significant progress, posting all-time highs in a number of categories.

    * $1 billion for effective, research-based literacy instruction through Reading First.

    * $300 million for Pell Grants for Kids. The Federal Pell Grant program, which students can use to attend the public or private college of their choice, Pell Grants for Kids would offer scholarships to low-income children in underperforming elementary and secondary schools, including high schools with significant dropout rates, to help them with the costs of attending an out-of-district public school or nearby private or faith-based school.

    * $491 million for School Improvement Grants to help turn around schools in need of improvement.

    * $95 billion in financial aid to help 10.9 million students pay for college.

    * A $2.6 billion increase in annual appropriations for Pell Grants. This investment, together with funding provided by the College Cost Reduction and Access Act, will support a maximum Pell Grant of $4,800 in 2009, and allow the maximum grant to rise to $5,400 by 2012.

Keeps the U.S. the most innovative nation in the world by implementing the American Competitiveness Initiative (ACI).

    * $12.2 billion total for the National Science Foundation, DoE's Office of Science, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology, an overall funding increase of $1.6 billion, or 15 percent, above the 2008 enacted total of $10.6 billion.

    * The President's FY 2009 Budget returns ACI research to a doubling path to ensure this consensus national priority objective is realized.

Increases energy security by focusing on renewables, accelerating technological breakthroughs, and expanding traditional sources to reduce our reliance on foreign oil.

    * $400 million as the first installment of a three-year, $2 billion U.S. commitment to an international clean energy technology fund that will increase and accelerate the deployment of clean technologies in developing nations to help confront climate change.

    * Doubles the capacity of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to 1.5 billion barrels.

    * Nuclear power: $242 million for Nuclear Power 2010 to promote the licensing of new nuclear plants through an industry cost-shared effort with streamlined regulatory processes. $302 million for Advanced Fuel Cycle Initiative research and development.

    * Coal: $648 million for research, development, and demonstration of advanced coal technologies. This represents a $197 million increase from the President's FY2008 request and is the largest amount requested for DOE's coal program in more than 25 years. With private sector match, this budget represents an approximate $1 billion investment in advanced technologies that can produce power from coal with significantly lower carbon emissions.

Keeps America Safe

Supports the national defense and funding for America's troops.

    * $515 billion for the Department of Defense base budget – a nearly 74 percent increase since the President took office – to support military readiness and continue the transformation of our military to meet twenty-first century threats.

    * $70 billion for an emergency allowance to support activities related to the Global War on Terror that help achieve the strategic goal of creating free, democratic, and self-governed ally nations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Enhances homeland security and terrorism prevention.

    * 10.7 percent Government-wide increase for improving nuclear detection, expanding cybersecurity, securing borders and removing individuals in the country illegally, and bolstering homeland security functions.

    * $500 million for 2,200 new Border Patrol agents to accomplish the President's goal of more than doubling the size of the Border Patrol.

    * Nearly $6 billion to enhance the security of the Nation's transportation system through increased security personnel, more screening devices, improved passenger checkpoints, and air cargo security inspectors.

Promotes peace, democracy, and economic opportunity worldwide through diplomatic, development, and reconstruction activities.

    * 14.9 percent increase for international affairs to support key allies in the Global War on Terror and improve responses to international crises.

    * Middle East: $400 million to support freedom in Iraq; $1.1 billion to help build a stable Afghanistan; $75 million for the Palestinian people to promote good governance; $142 million to continue support for the democratic government of Lebanon; and $830 million to help Pakistan achieve stability.

    * Mexico and Central America: $550 million for the President's new initiative to address security concerns, including combating drug trafficking.

    * Civilian Response Capability: $249 million to enhance the capability of civilian Government agencies to respond to crises and to create a rapidly deployable civilian reserve corps.

Balances the Budget by 2012

Maintains proven pro-growth policies – keeping taxes low and restraining government spending – to ensure that near-term deficits are overcome and we achieve a surplus in 2012.

    * In making tax relief permanent, Federal revenues as a share of the economy average 18.5 percent over the next five years, above the historical average. This demonstrates that Americans are not undertaxed, rather their government needs to control spending.

    * Even while increasing some high priorities, overall non-security discretionary spending goes up less then one percent in 2009 and is held flat thereafter.

Continues to address the long-term challenge of unsustainable entitlement spending.

    * A balanced budget in 2012 will be short-lived without addressing our biggest budgetary challenge. Spending on entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is growing faster than we can afford, and there are painful choices ahead if America stays on this path: massive tax increases, sudden and drastic cuts in benefits, or crippling deficits.

    * Proposes savings of $208 billion over five years in order to lay the foundation for sensible reform while ensuring these crucial programs continue for future generations. This step will reduce the 75-year unfunded obligation in Medicare by nearly one-third.

Improves results of government programs and instills greater transparency so that taxpayer dollars are spent wisely.

    * Reviews the effectiveness of government programs and Federal agencies and makes results available for public review at www.expectmore.gov and www.results.gov.

    * Reduces or terminates 151 programs totaling more than $18 billion; channels funds toward more effective uses that better align with national priorities.

    * Proposes that Congress cut the number and cost of earmarks in half from the FY08 levels on a bill-by-bill basis – a move backed up by a Presidential veto pledge. This builds upon an Executive Order issued by the President directing agencies to ignore earmarks concealed in report language – a step that will bring greater accountability and transparency and help reform the earmarking culture that leads to wasteful and excessive pork-barrel spending.

    * Calls on Congress to approve a legislative line-item veto.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7136|67.222.138.85
Back on the damn topic.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7103|Canberra, AUS
Bush is whacked. The guys who *still* support him and rail against 'Big Government' are even worse - really. Your economy is teetering on the verge of recession because of excessive debt, and what does he do...?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Nappy
Apprentice
+151|6658|NSW, Australia

why dont they just make money i dont understand why you need to borrow money
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7103|Canberra, AUS

Nappy wrote:

why dont they just make money i dont understand why you need to borrow money
Sometimes you need to borrow money to make money.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6920|Northern California

Protecus wrote:

But my favorite line is the last one. For a President to tout a plan that requires taxpayer dollars to be spend wisely or not at all, then to include a military budget of $515.4 billion, is almost insulting. By the way, this budget would include the highest US military budget since WWII. While our troops are long overdue for the equipment they need and better pay and benefits, we all know that's not where this money will go.
I'm hearing it's actually $688 billion towards military.
    $515.4 billion: Bush’s baseline Pentagon budget request.

    +$70 billion: The amount Bush’s defense budget includes as separate request for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. However, this bridge fund only covers the first quarter of FY 2009.

    +$102.5 billion: Current emergency war funding request that Congress not yet approved.

    TOTAL = $687.9 billion: Bush’s total war budget.

https://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/graph.gif
I love this graph..it shows the priority!  Nevermind 9/11, that's old news.  Today is the 5th anniversary of Colin Powell selling his soul and his country short!

Still, it's 22% of the budget request....over a fifth of their budget = military...and last I heard, we couldn't defend ourself from an attack because the Army is "woefully inadequate."  Surely with $688 BILLION dollars, a country could BUY any military force in the world and be up to speed.  Maybe two armies for that price.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-02-05 12:14:34)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7061|949

Depending on the source, our Military spending is anywhere from ~25% to ~50% of our annual budget.  It is probably in between those figures, at around 30-35%.  The fact of the matter is, as IRONCHEF posited, we spend literally more money than the rest of the world combined on our "defense".  China, the next closest, spends 1/10 what we do.  Now, I support military spending to a degree (and I support increased wages for personnel), but the corruption and waste is absurd.

Why are we outsourcing positions and jobs that historically our military has done?  I am not talking about logistical concerns such as food preparation and laundry, I am talking about paying private military contractors 5x what a soldier makes to play bodyguard to the State Department.  Allocating funds through no-bid contracts for a PMC SUV to get armor upgrades that make it superior to our own military transportation.  Seriously, WTF?  Has the military-industrial relationship become so ingrained in our culture and economy that people do not see a problem?  Dropping 350+ tons of American dollars into Iraq and Afghanistan, simply to have it go missing - what does that get?  What amounts to a passing comment from the mainstream media.  Don't worry, we didn't need that $10 billion dollars anyway, and it was borrowed money on top of that.  Not to mention the widespread corruption and misuse in regards to budget allocations in general.  Pork added to spending bills is but one problem.  What about perfectly viable and economically sound companies lobbying for government funds they don't need?  Walmart and Exxon taking tax subsidies then posting record profits...the list goes on.

Our economy is out of control.  I am not talking about sub-prime loans and lack of consumer confidence (which are tangible, short-term problems).  I am talking about the idea that outside factions that are buying up our bonds and debt wouldn't even be able to collect on all their monies owed because it would spiral the whole globe into depression.  Lower the interest rates...let's make printed money more in demand by lending institutions, which may actually make the printed money worth something - while at the same time increasing inflation, which makes the money less valuable.  The FED simply makes small corrections instead of addressing the larger concerns.  To me it is akin to sticking gum over a pipe leak instead of replacing the pipe. 

The military-industrial complex has firmly ingrained itself into American culture, in spite of Eisenhower's pleas.  Our economic system promotes and rewards those who find ways to manipulate and take advantage of the weaknesses of that system, as does our civic institutions.  Meanwhile, people bitch about the idea of free health care because heaven forbid a small percentage of their taxes actually goes to improving the social welfare that our government seemingly systematically destroys.  But you know what, I don't blame them - because most likely if universal health care were implemented, the government would find a way to pay absurd amounts to private companies for the right to medically help the masses.

I am not jaded

PS - does anyone know where a decent itemized list of what tax money is spent on (not talking about a pie-chart either)?  Preferably per dollar, but any one will do.  I had one, but I guess I lost the link.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-05 14:01:23)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6971|Texas - Bigger than France
What always amazes me about budget talk, is the people who fund the government usually see it as something that provides no benefits at all.

An example of what I mean in business terms:
Sales people are usually paid more because they produce revenue.  Back office managers with the same authority/seniority as the sales guys are paid less because their department does not produce revenue.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6951|...

Great find, D.C. spending more than it has :rollseyes:
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7135
Fools!  Morons! addle-pates! asses! blockheads! boneheads! boobs! cretins! dimwits! dingbats! dolts! dopes! dorks! dummies! dunces! dunderheads!  halfwits! idiots! imbeciles!lunkheads! mental defectives! numskulls! retards!

AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!  Clinton didn't down us in debt, and he's a Democrat!  Damn Bush and his overzealous war in Iraq! 

Furthermore, this is one of the 3 most important issues our country is facing, and the presidential candidates are ignoring it.  McCain wan'ts to stay in Iraq for 100 years.    HA!  Hillary and Obama speak universal health care.    HAHAHA!   You can't just ignore debt.  They all think they can pass it off to the next guy.  They're just spending away while that pile increases exponentially as we have to borrow more money to pay off our borrowed money.  Eventually it will be so large that there will be no way to pay it off and then

(Fill in the blank)

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2008-02-05 18:16:46)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6535|eXtreme to the maX
What was the point of the Iraq war again?
I hope its worth it.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6840|'Murka

The budget doesn't include war costs.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6920|Northern California

FEOS wrote:

The budget doesn't include war costs.
That part between $515b and $687b does.

+$70 billion: The amount Bush’s defense budget includes as separate request for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. However, this bridge fund only covers the first quarter of FY 2009.

+$102.5 billion: Current emergency war funding request that Congress not yet approved.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-02-06 15:16:25)

Darkhelmet
cereal killer
+233|7179|the middle of nowhere

Nappy wrote:

why dont they just make money i dont understand why you need to borrow money
If they make more money, i.e. printing a lot of dollar bills, then the value of a single dollar will decrease until it just about worthless. Like the penny.
PluggedValve
Member
+17|6769
Its certainly not a new thing but has become worse as time moves on.  Remember its election time around the corner.  Think of the motives, ie. buy votes from interest groups.  It just so happens that the military interest group in the US is among the most influencial groups in the world.  Think of all the soldiers that will vote republican because they feel its their best chance at getting a raise or new equipment.  Its really simple when you explore the possible motives of each budget. 

The democrats campaign on promises of Universal Healthcare and social programs, the republicans campaign by bringing "patriotism" into things.  They make people think they will treat the military better than the dem's and if you dont support the military your not patriotic.  They also always promise tax cuts (usually replaced with a user-fee that goes by unnoticed until its too late).
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6834|North Carolina

Nappy wrote:

why dont they just make money i dont understand why you need to borrow money
They do, actually.  The government has been printing a lot more money than they should.  The more they increase the money supply, the less our currency is worth.

Regardless, more spending cuts are what we need.  Tax cuts are nice, but they are less important at this point.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7135

Nappy wrote:

why dont they just make money i dont understand why you need to borrow money
Hahaha!  Priceless.  That is exactly what they are doing.  Sorry, you must not know much about economics.  The more money a country prints, the less it is worth.  This brings down the Ettore economy in more ways than one, which is bad.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6840|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

FEOS wrote:

The budget doesn't include war costs.
That part between $515b and $687b does.

+$70 billion: The amount Bush’s defense budget includes as separate request for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. However, this bridge fund only covers the first quarter of FY 2009.

+$102.5 billion: Current emergency war funding request that Congress not yet approved.
3.3% of the total budget...hardly evidence that the bulk of the budget is associated with war costs.
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― Albert Einstein

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