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Marinejuana wrote:

i bet you made it through those wars by blindly following the directions of your officers like a sheep.

You are a huge friggin idiot you know that?

Last edited by usmarine (2008-02-04 15:26:39)

IRONCHEF wrote:

Maybe I didn't understand that claim you made about not living by assumptions and what if's.  You mind clearing it up?  Because it sounds like you don't assume you could be EVER be wronged by living within the law.

Ok.

I do not have the worry of being falsely accused because of this technology.

IRONCHEF wrote:

I love it when you guys pull this card that says non-military background people can't experience any reality until they've been through "two wars and three tours.."

That is not what I was saying and you know it.  You basically assumed I walk thru life thinking nothing bad can happen.  I do not let that preoccupy me is what I was getting at.

Do you trust the government to only use this info correctly?  The US government (or more precisely those working for it) don't have the best track record for ONLY using information legally...See J. Edgar Hoover.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

or what if you were wrongfully accused of committing a crime and the only thing that saves you is modern technology put in place that didnt exist 5 years before.  Works both sides.

Like DNA testing.

Locoloki wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

or what if you were wrongfully accused of committing a crime and the only thing that saves you is modern technology put in place that didnt exist 5 years before.  Works both sides.

Like DNA testing.

yeah but this is like collecting everyones DNA whether they want to give it up or not, you dont even get a choice

good

Okay.

1) The government cannot possibly keep track of everyone. There are 300,000,000 people in the US. Of that, a certain amount (very small) are the people who would be entrusted with "tracking" us. You simply could not constantly keep tabs on a specific guy. Sure you could record everyone's movements, but then is that such an issue?

2) The only problem I have with this and Real ID are that they may not be well secured. I'd rather not have my DNA or identity stolen because the government couldn't invest $100 million in proper security. If I was guaranteed security, then I'd be fine with it.

3) If it will keep me from being accused of a crime I didn't commit, or help in catching criminals and bringing them to justice, and of course if it satisfies point 2, then okay.

4) On Real ID... let's see. Let's take a permanent resident in the military. He carries: Driver's license, military ID, permanent resident card. When he travels, he has to bring his passport as well. That's a bunch of stuff to carry around, meaning a bunch of stuff that can get lost, meaning a bunch more chances for ID theft. With a secure national ID that can incorporate all of this information onto one chip, you'd only have one card to carry. It'd work for getting alcohol, for IDing yourself at the DMV, for entering a military base, for entering the country.

Really, if it's secure I don't mind. I'm not plotting the destruction of America, I don't plan on committing crimes, so the FBI has no reason to track me.

Locoloki wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

yeah but this is like collecting everyones DNA whether they want to give it up or not, you dont even get a choice

good

love it or leave it????

is this how total government control begins? are some people going to be exempt from being profiled? are certain high risk people going to have their information removed from the database so they cant be tracked? Will this information be open to the public? Should this information be open to the public?

Let's not have my SSN and DNA available for the public

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-02-04 17:42:12)

usmarine wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

is this how total government control begins?

I am sure if the internet was around when fingerprints were introduced, the same argument would have been made.  Do you agree with fingerprints?

the government has at least 2 sets of my fingerprints, and i believe palm prints, they dont even use ink anymore, they scan it on a computer. But this is only because of my USCG license.


well, fuck it, criminals are just gunna wear shades and gloves anyways

if its worth a billion and it makes you safer, tax away

Ilocano wrote:

Thing is that, once eyeball replacement surgery is perfected, this billion dollar investment will be a bust for those who have the money.

or it becomes a crime to wear shades

Honestly I don't see the problem.  So you can be identified via a camera, if you're not a criminal or terrorist then you have nothing to worry about.  People always complain that their privacy is being violated until we're attacked, then they say why wasn't there proper security in place.  You can have it both ways and besides being very expensive I think it's a good idea.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

i bet you made it through those wars by blindly following the directions of your officers like a sheep.

You are a huge friggin idiot you know that?

haha! Jesus tits what would we do without you marine?

You get destroyed by the guy on all points and you can't counter it because it's true, so what do you do?  Insult him. 

GG

btw

I got destroyed because he said the only reason I am alive is because I was like a sheep?  Copy that.

RoosterCantrell wrote:

The problem is is that I commit crimes.  Crimes that I think shouldn't be illegal.

I can't light off fireworks in an open field by myself where I live.  I cannot shoot fire arms in certain ways that I KNOW are safe, in rural areas.  I cannot light off home made explosives because I don't have the permits, qualifications, etc, even though I know what I'm doing.

That's where the problem is, I understand these laws, but they reach too far, ban too much.  But without them, that freedom would be abused in dangerous ways.  So we must have those laws.

as the way thinga are now, many decent people commit many crimes.  But if they aren't hurting anyone, who cares?  But with a government that is all seeing, it's impossible to get away with harmless, albiet illegal tomfoolery.

I know several police, in fact Im sure most police ARE this way, at least rural police, that really don't care if say, you are lighting off fireworks as long as you are safe about it.  Don't ask don't tell.  But, with the way technology and laws are going, if we simply go by the "just don't commit crimes"  there won't be many freedoms left, under the guise of protecting the people.

Also, it's just not comfortable for me, and many people to be under someone's eyes.  It's an unpleasant feeling to bewatched all the time.   

Sure, crimes happen, but is it really worth trading away privacy for security, especially that just because you are being watched, doesn't mean it's always gonna be safe.

The saying goes: "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

I'm not saying I agree with the laws but do you really need to build your own explosives? No offense but that would raise a few eyebrows at the NSA.

And they aren't "watching" per se. They don't have an eye in the sky showing close ups of every American's zits. They might be able to track you over GPS or something but really... at least with me, I'll be at school, in a restaurant or movie theatre or mall, or in my room.