Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7104|Canberra, AUS
What the hell?

Are the heads of your government screwed on backwards? How could they possibly NOT do something about illegal immigrants? Deportations at the very least, or greatly increased taxes. Or something. Otherwise your borders are compromised, and thus your sovereignty is compromised.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

ATG wrote:



Why are the illegals aliens here now  not smart enough to realize that THE NEXT MOTHERFUCKING WAVE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL DO THE JOB THAT MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE ONES HERE NOW  DO, AND IF LEFT TO RUN WILD THEY WILL BE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND COMMUNITIES TOO?

Well, now that you mention it, the illegals I have talked to don't want any more illegal immigration.  The more illegals there are, the more competition they have.
So what you are saying is that illegal immigration will end in American when illegal aliens have had enough of it?  Good.

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Last edited by ATG (2008-02-06 22:02:06)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7104|Canberra, AUS

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

ATG wrote:



Why are the illegals aliens here now  not smart enough to realize that THE NEXT MOTHERFUCKING WAVE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL DO THE JOB THAT MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE ONES HERE NOW  DO, AND IF LEFT TO RUN WILD THEY WILL BE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND COMMUNITIES TOO?

Well, now that you mention it, the illegals I have talked to don't want any more illegal immigration.  The more illegals there are, the more competition they have.
That is irrelevant. They would come regardless of what the people over the other side thought.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
David.P
Banned
+649|6703

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Can you prove that your illegal now ex-employee was stealing from you?  If so, take it to court and get restitution.

I am looking forward to you posting after you talk to him tomorrow.





Damn liberals ruining America! amidoinitrite?
Why would he lie? And dont try to play this off as an isolated incodent Ken.


Oh and Perfect
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7189|San Antonio, Texas

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Damn liberals ruining America! amidoinitrite?
Yes, run along with the herd...

Anyways, this kind of reminds me of this...



Spark wrote:

What the hell?

Are the heads of your government screwed on backwards? How could they possibly NOT do something about illegal immigrants? Deportations at the very least, or greatly increased taxes. Or something. Otherwise your borders are compromised, and thus your sovereignty is compromised.
They have other more important issues to worry about, like how to get the illegal immigrants on welfare so they can get their vote.

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-02-06 22:07:27)

Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7135

Spark wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

ATG wrote:



Why are the illegals aliens here now  not smart enough to realize that THE NEXT MOTHERFUCKING WAVE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL DO THE JOB THAT MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE ONES HERE NOW  DO, AND IF LEFT TO RUN WILD THEY WILL BE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND COMMUNITIES TOO?

Well, now that you mention it, the illegals I have talked to don't want any more illegal immigration.  The more illegals there are, the more competition they have.
That is irrelevant. They would come regardless of what the people over the other side thought.
I know that it's irrelevant.  I'm just correcting his statement.
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7083

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7104|Canberra, AUS

mtb0minime wrote:

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Why would the illegals attack southern California? That would be the epitome of 'biting the hand that feeds you'.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7083

Spark wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Why would the illegals attack southern California? That would be the epitome of 'biting the hand that feeds you'.
Wouldn't be illegals, but the same kind of guys who pulled off 9/11. But I guess those guys were already here anyway...


Point is, something needs to be done about this, but it'll take a huge event to get the politicians to pull their heads out of their asses.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7069|Your moms bedroom

mtb0minime wrote:

Spark wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Why would the illegals attack southern California? That would be the epitome of 'biting the hand that feeds you'.
Wouldn't be illegals, but the same kind of guys who pulled off 9/11. But I guess those guys were already here anyway...


Point is, something needs to be done about this, but it'll take a huge event to get the politicians to pull their heads out of their asses.
no, they came from Canada, a couple came through Bangor airport in Maine
David.P
Banned
+649|6703

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

David.P wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Don't get me started on welfare... I've seen it abused wayyyy too much down here...
Really? Have you seen a women have 3 kids and 2 boyfriends which she's playing both at the same time saying they are both the father of all 3? And sees one or the other on alternating weekends saying the feds are coming to both? Ok ok i didn't see it but my old friend who lived in the northern blvd projects told me about it in 02. And thats only the tip of the iceberg of the shit he told me(Btw he was black and did not live on welfare because he lived with his father who held down a steady job as a mechanic in nissan. Why he lived in the projects i dont know)
Ok, that's nothing.

Have you seen a woman have 6 kids, 1 husband, and 2 boyfriends all which she's playing at the same time saying all of them are the father of all 6. One of the boyfriends lives with her, the husband moved to another state, and when she went to Indiana to see relatives, she picked up another boyfriend. Not to mention that she and the boyfriend that lives with her smokes pot almost every day around the kids, as young as 3. And she goes to a bar about every other day. Oh, she gets welfare checks for her kids, for her ex-husband that died, and child support from the current husband. Not to mention that she's jobless and hasn't even tried to get a job in the last 15 years. The boyfriend that lives with her works at a landscaping business and provides for the large family because she blows all the money on drugs and alcohol. Not to mention that they move about very 3 months because they rarely pay rent.

I think we should have a mandatory piss test every month to receive a welfare check.
Where and how do you know these people? It almost sounds as bad as this.

When my friend lived in Jamaica, Everyone in the building who lived in the 2nd floor and above was on welfare.(This was a 5 story building) When the inspector came the landlady who lived on the first floor nearest the door would call an upstairs tenant who would knock on all the doors and tell the women an inspector was coming, And the men who were in the apartments would drop what they were doing to run upstairs to the roof and wait maybe 2-3 hours for them to finish the inspections. The men were drinking beer and relaxing on lawn chairs, Play air hockey, basically anything they could to pass the time, But still have to be quiet enough for the inspector to not go up there. And one day when they were too loud, The inspector demanded to see the roof, The old lady told her she'd have to get the key from her apartment downstairs. Now being an old lady she could fake alot of things especially the 10 minute walk down the stair, When she got down to the first floor with the inspector behind her she told my friend to get on the roof and tell them to hide somewhere because the inspector was coming.

Now lets do the math here. Each floor had 8 apartments. And every apartment starting from the second floor going up to the 5th had women on welfare. Thats 4 floors. 8 x 4 =32. But usually it was never over 20. Now can you imagine 20 men all trying find good hiding spots on the roof a tenement building? Theres not alot of good places other than behind the vent. So first off 20 guys on the roof of an old building is stressful enough on it. But 20 in the same tiny area? The goddamn roof almost collapsed! When the old lady came up with the inspector she just had a quick look around and saw nothing. They went inside and the inspector left after that. The roof was so damaged from the weight of the men, The landlady had to shell out 2 grand to fix the roof in that one spot. Which she collected from each of her tenants extra on their rent. After that they moved to northern blvd projects. Where it's almost the same shit except with bigger buildings.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7145

ATG wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

My friend has a really big landscaping company that he built up over 10 years in Va... He sponsored a couple of dedicated illegal employees to help them become citizens... he attended meetings...used his own money and trust...  After they received citizenship... they left his company and started their own.... fuck that...   
And did they get business licenses? Drivers licenses? Or did they just charge 25% less?


Two REALLY profound questions:


Why have not patriotic loonies gone on the rampage, declared a bounty on illegal aliens and started taking them out?

Why are the illegals aliens here now  not smart enough to realize that THE NEXT MOTHERFUCKING WAVE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL DO THE JOB THAT MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE ONES HERE NOW  DO, AND IF LEFT TO RUN WILD THEY WILL BE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND COMMUNITIES TOO?







Illegal aliens ladies, is capitalism gone mad.
The majority of imports being made in China is capitalism gone mad.
The American military supply, security and food chain being out sourced is is capitalism gone mad.
90% pensions for life for many politicians, firemen and policemen is is capitalism gone mad.
An El Salvadoran guy who came in the bar i work at was upset that illegals were working for 8 bucks an hour(doing things they didnt have the skillset for) and he was losing business because he was a pro carpenter that charged 17-20 per hour...( He had come here... went through the steps to be legal... started a company... was succesful and bought a 500k house and a couple of vehicles... but was facing the fact he couldnt pay his bills due to really cheap illegals that were doing a horrible job anyway...  sad...

People that don't have a problem with illegals.... WILL... when it hits...THEIR pocketbooks...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-02-06 22:22:09)

Love is the answer
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7189|San Antonio, Texas

mtb0minime wrote:

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Do you know what's happening in the border towns right now? Like Laredo...
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7083

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control. One of these days we may just have to start a militia and guard the borders ourselves.

I almost wish there was a massive terrorist attack in southern California, among other border states, just so that there might be a chance that the sleeping government will finally wake up and realize we need to do something about this.
Do you know what's happening in the border towns right now? Like Laredo...
I don't actually
tbh, BF2s and occasional headlines on MSN are my only source of news. My college newspaper is ridiculously biased towards democrats, and I don't have a TV.
Please inform me though, I'm interested
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7189|San Antonio, Texas
Sadly, it is still like this today, a huge drug/gang war.

Last year in Nuevo Laredo, a city of about 500,000, the same size as Tucson, Ariz., more than 170 people were killed. Only a handful of those killings led to any arrests.


Among those slain were a city councilman, 13 police officers and the city's police chief, who had been in office seven hours when he was shot more than 50 times.
Each day it is estimated that more than 6,000 trucks carrying 40 percent of all Mexican exports come through Laredo. The cartels use the trucks, the warehouses and the interstate to move most of the cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamine that reaches the United States. It's a booming business worth $10 million a day, according to a senior agent at the Drug Enforcement Agency
Americans Missing

Yvette Martinez, 27, and her friend Brenda Cisneros, 23, are among nine Americans who the FBI says have simply disappeared along the border in the last two years

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-02-06 22:29:53)

David.P
Banned
+649|6703
Dont forget the girls that were kidnapped and given as trophies to a drug baron.
topal63
. . .
+533|7147
This type of predicament/situation is not isolated to immigrants. No it isn't, it's the law of the Jungle my friends. The workplace economic jungle that is.

Do you think this kind of underselling, stealing, back-stabbing, unethical, economy/industry hurting behavior or the like does not go on in, say, the world of professional services: engineers, architects, surveyors, lawyers, etc? It does. I've been in the civil-engineering business for last 20+  years of my life and what you've described is a common occurrence. Every time an engineer hires an employee (A US CITIZEN): CADD-tech, inspector, surveyor, party-chief, EIT, he runs the risk of training his competition. Why? Because no matter who you hire - if they don't work for you until they're dead and buried in the ground, that employee who is learning, making contacts, understanding the business a little more each day - may not work for you in the near future. He might either open his own business or after you've trained him work for your more; or most; robust competitor.

Here is a real life example: I offer surveying services on engineering projects for land developers. My employee leaves and offers those services to anyone, as an unlicensed sub-contractor, technically by FLA. statutes this is against the law, but what am I supposed to do turn around and involve my client in a legal dispute for using a low bidder sub? Not if I want to maintain my relationship with the industry (clients). Also, this same (former employee) un-licensed sub-contractor will work as a sub for engineering/surveying competitors - driving down the cost to were even break-even business margins can not be met.

It is an utterly common thing from my perspective/experience, (without even any illegal immigrant involvement) and yes it sucks.

It sucks because they ultimately hurt the industry. Most of my professional services are one-time deals. What we design & help build will usually never ever end up back on the design table. If we don't make the money now (the necessary %) - we never will. Employees that do this, over time, contribute to the following:
1.) An overall reduction in the pay scale, within the industry, for all employees.
2.) Reduction of benefits for all employees, within the industry (i.e. 401K, health, dental, profit sharing, etc).
3.) A reduction in the overall quality of service.
4.) A further reduction in professional service fees as your clients turn to more unlicensed subs. And, this can happen indirectly, say a developer, places the burden of service acquisition on another sub (say the engineering contractor installing underground utilities).
5.) The image of the professional is also tarnished by these industry accepted practices (as clients year by year treat you with less respect and greater disdain).

They only reason why I've managed over the years was due to two things: 1.) an industry contraction in fees resulted in a contraction of the employee base which meant a higher volume of work for lower fees. 2.) Computers made it possible to accommodate the higher volume (with: CADD, GPS, total station integration, etc).

I could go on, but you sort of get the picture. No? I remember having problems like this back in my home town and a lot of people I once knew saying "damn Spiks, Wetbacks" etc - "they're always undercutting/working under the table they should go back to where the came from." Only thing was they we're talking about American citizens (mostly 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation) and not illegals.

I totally sympathize with your predicament, but I am not so sure it couldn't have happened, anyways, with American citizens as your employees. Just as you have suggested you'll work for cash and circumvent the law (taxes). So could a former employee (U.S. citizen) now competing directly against you; circumvent the law (taxes) - for the very same services you offer, in this sad but true contracting economic environment.

_____

PS: I am not trying to make a political case here. I am just trying to let you know - I understand and sympathize with your predicament. As such things have happened to me numerous times. As the loyalty issue is a true heart breaker especially when you truly give to an employee as best you can. In fact at one point I was the employee - who left his employer and became the competition. I'd be a hypocrite to not acknowledge that fact.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-02-07 07:13:18)

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
Member
+169|7175|Mexico City

Locoloki wrote:

there is only one option, Invade Mexico
LMAO !!!!!
gosh, my stomach hurts, too much laughing.

you are already getting invaded, and is ALL YOUR FAULT.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7145

topal63 wrote:

This type of predicament/situation is not isolated to immigrants. No it isn't, it's the law of the Jungle my friends. The workplace economic jungle that is.

Do you think this kind of underselling, stealing, back-stabbing, unethical, economy/industry hurting behavior or the like does not go on in, say, the world of professional services: engineers, architects, surveyors, lawyers, etc? It does. I've been in the civil-engineering business for last 20+ years of my life and what you've described is a common occurrence. Every time an engineer hires an employee (A US CITIZEN): CADD-tech, inspector, surveyor, party-chief, EIT, he runs the risk of training his competition. Why? Because no matter who you hire - if they don't work for you until they're dead and buried in the ground, that employee who is learning, making contacts, understanding the business a little more each day - may not work for you in the near future. He might either open his own business or after you've trained him work for your more; or most; robust competitor.

Here is a real life example: I offer surveying services on engineering projects for land developers. My employee leaves and offers those services to anyone, as an unlicensed sub-contractor, technically by FLA. statutes this is against the law, but what am I supposed to do turn around and involve my client in a legal dispute for using a low bidder sub? Not if I want to maintain my relationship with the industry (clients). Also, this same (former employee) un-licensed sub-contractor will work as a sub for engineering/surveying competitors - driving down the cost to were even break-even business margins can not be met.

It is an utterly common thing from my perspective/experience, (without even any illegal immigrant involvement) and yes it sucks.

It sucks because they ultimately hurt the industry. Most of my professional services are one-time deals. What we design & help build will usually never ever end up back on the design table. If we don't make the money now (the necessary %) - we never will. Employees that do this, over time, contribute to the following:
1.) An overall reduction in the pay scale, within the industry, for all employees.
2.) Reduction of benefits for all employees, within the industry (i.e. 401K, health, dental, profit sharing, etc).
3.) A reduction in the overall quality of service.
4.) A further reduction in professional service fees as your clients turn to more unlicensed subs. And, this can happen indirectly, say a developer, places the burden of service acquisition on another sub (say the engineering contractor installing underground utilities).
5.) The image of the professional is also tarnished by these industry accepted practices (as clients year by year treat you with less respect and greater disdain).

They only reason why I've managed over the years was due to two things: 1.) an industry contraction in fees resulted in a contraction of the employee base which meant a higher volume of work for lower fees. 2.) Computers made it possible to accommodate the higher volume (with: CADD, GPS, total station integration, etc).

I could go on, but you sort of get the picture. No? I remember having problems like this back in my home town and a lot of people I once knew saying "damn Spikes, wetbacks" etc - "they're always undercutting/working under the table they should go back to where the came from." Only thing was they we're talking about American citizens (mostly 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation) and not illegals.

I totally sympathize with your predicament, but I am not so sure it couldn't have happened, anyways, with American citizens as your employees. Just as you have suggested you'll work for cash and circumvent the law (taxes). So could a former employee (U.S. citizen) now competing directly against you; circumventing the law (taxes) - for the very same services you offer, in this sad but true contracting economic environment.
2 wrongs don't make a right... There are scumbag US business people i agree...
The problem though with illegals is that... they are illegal... and their isnt much recourse when our laws are so weak...
Love is the answer
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6753|New Haven, CT

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

there is only one option, Invade Mexico
LMAO !!!!!
gosh, my stomach hurts, too much laughing.

you are already getting invaded, and is ALL YOUR FAULT.
Wow, Mexicans are arrogant.

This reminds me of the idiot representative from Nogales who complained that our deportations of illegals was ruining their economy.

Mexico is a leech, honestly.
kajukenbo_kid
Member
+36|6845|...
this is pretty sickening, honestly.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

nukchebi0 wrote:

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

LMAO !!!!!
gosh, my stomach hurts, too much laughing.

you are already getting invaded, and is ALL YOUR FAULT.
Wow, Mexicans are arrogant.

This reminds me of the idiot representative from Nogales who complained that our deportations of illegals was ruining their economy.

Mexico is a leech, honestly.
Hypocrites too.  Considering that the treatment afforded to Central American illegals in Mexico is absolutely horrible, it's amusing that Mexico wants the US to treat illegals from Mexico humanely.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6753|New Haven, CT

SenorToenails wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

LMAO !!!!!
gosh, my stomach hurts, too much laughing.

you are already getting invaded, and is ALL YOUR FAULT.
Wow, Mexicans are arrogant.

This reminds me of the idiot representative from Nogales who complained that our deportations of illegals was ruining their economy.

Mexico is a leech, honestly.
Hypocrites too.  Considering that the treatment afforded to Central American illegals in Mexico is absolutely horrible, it's amusing that Mexico wants the US to treat illegals from Mexico humanely.
I completely forgot that part.

I think we should really solve illegal immigration by forcing Mexico to regulate it as well, and not encourage it.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7145
Artillery and bombing range near the border ftw?
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6559|North Tonawanda, NY

nukchebi0 wrote:

I completely forgot that part.

I think we should really solve illegal immigration by forcing Mexico to regulate it as well, and not encourage it.
That will always be the dream.  But they won't do it.

@cyborg_ninja-117: That would be one gigantic proving ground...

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