they wouldnt. INS only deports in mass raids or after jail timed served.PureFodder wrote:
Fair enough, I'd report him to immigration sevices too if you think they'd do anything about him.ATG wrote:
2-7-08
Termination Notice: Cuauhtemoc Guerrero
Your employment is hereby terminated.
Reason: using company time and resources to generate work for unlicensed contractors. Using company tools, knowledge and experience to perform work for unlicensed contractors competing against us.
Signed,
Albert Barlow, owner
I don't know how many times I've heard about these types of stories where workers are screwing their partners over. My solution so I never experience this is to join a big corporation that pay you enough, and if you screw them over they're too big to really care and if you get screwed by them it's nothing really personal because they don't even know who you are so it doesn't affect you as much.
Also, less of a headache
All these stories I've heard over my life, it makes me think who'd want to start up a business?
Also, less of a headache
All these stories I've heard over my life, it makes me think who'd want to start up a business?
The cocksuckers gave him a ITIN number.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
"Mr Congressman(woman), the illegal immigrant I hired broke another law"Pierre wrote:
Dude, i feel your pain. As some posters wrote, people lke that will fuck you no matter what, don't throw any more money at him, try searching his place to find stuff that belonged to you (with bailiff or police), and contact your clients and explain you were fucked.
Can someone please explain to me how in hell it is possible for an illegal alien in the US to get official papers, social security or a drivers license without a proper ID? Don't you need permits to set up a company?
Europe might be too regulated for some, but you can't set up companies without proper papers.
There is no enforcement of immigration laws regarding employers, they don't fucking care.
I haven't visited the forum for a while and this is the first i see?? It really sickenings me and i'm sorry to hear you got svindled by your employee. You have a serious problem with the illegal immigrants and i hope you government have some backbone to deal with it.
Although i'm sure you'll rebound ATG, i hope you learned something from this. Don't hire them. Ever.
Although i'm sure you'll rebound ATG, i hope you learned something from this. Don't hire them. Ever.
Setting the illegal alien dilemma aside, your company did a gross turnover of 965k? Nice job! Never knew you...aspired so much.
Onto the issue - it'll always be there but for a long term employee to do that to you is pretty harsh. I hope you get it sorted out because that is waaay outta line!
Onto the issue - it'll always be there but for a long term employee to do that to you is pretty harsh. I hope you get it sorted out because that is waaay outta line!
This guy has played you for a fool and you've been suckered big-time. How long was he syphoning off your profits?
Okay, you've got a business. Do you just hire anyone off the street or do you check references first? I don't know how it works in the US but can't you do some kind of employment checks, like to make sure he's not a criminal or something? Wouldn't that come up with the fact that he's an illegal?
If you knew he was an illegal, you knew he was lying on his tax return, why did you still trust him not to be lying to you?
Okay, you've got a business. Do you just hire anyone off the street or do you check references first? I don't know how it works in the US but can't you do some kind of employment checks, like to make sure he's not a criminal or something? Wouldn't that come up with the fact that he's an illegal?
If you knew he was an illegal, you knew he was lying on his tax return, why did you still trust him not to be lying to you?
No, I think of you as a fish that's just been hooked.ATG wrote:
Okay, lets just get this out of the way. Think of me as a hypocrite. Bigot. Whatever.
I will actually have to strap tool bags on four the first time in four years.
God.
But, I can reset the standard of quality that helped me become a name brand.
That was another issue with them, no matter how many times I showed them or told them, nor how many jobs they got me in trouble on they would only do things my way when I was standing there.
He was making as much as $400.00 on a really good day, and when it came right down to it, it was substandard work. Details.
Live and learn.
God.
But, I can reset the standard of quality that helped me become a name brand.
That was another issue with them, no matter how many times I showed them or told them, nor how many jobs they got me in trouble on they would only do things my way when I was standing there.
He was making as much as $400.00 on a really good day, and when it came right down to it, it was substandard work. Details.
Live and learn.
I hope you can recover from this, financially speaking and your reputation. And then sit back and look at what happened, see what you can do to avoid it happening again.
To everyone who said report him to immigration services, unfortunately I.C.E. does nothing... or nothing much. Back in high school when I was working fast food (along with 20 other illegals), a friend was becoming a manager. He was getting paid shit, and actually was getting paid less than the other managers who were illegal (favoritism from the head manager, or racism against whites). He tells them he demands a raise since he puts in just as many hours and works just as hard (I can vouch for that, honestly). Well they decline, so he calls immigration services. What happens? Well they all get fired...
...But a few weeks later they turn up at a different restaurant from the same franchise. No deportation or anything. That's how much the government cares about the people that do belong here and are legal citizens.
...But a few weeks later they turn up at a different restaurant from the same franchise. No deportation or anything. That's how much the government cares about the people that do belong here and are legal citizens.
That really blows man.
You should call the immigration office and the local Cali tax officers, if you think its worth the possible consequences.
Here's the rub:
1) Violating CA law for operating without a license
2) If he doesn't have a license I can bet he's not reporting his income to California, otherwise they'd ask for his licensing info.
3) If he isn't paying California state taxes for the extra income, he sure isn't going to report it to the IRS (the state & government agencies reconcile this stuff)
4) (this is the one I'm unsure on...this year is the first year I'm providing my services to a Mexican on VISA) To be issued an ITIN I think you have to have a company sponsor you right? Even if you don't, I think that the employer needs to pay the employee's portion of withholding for the ITIN dude. This means he's operating outside the immigration agreement by not paying his withholding...
You should report him, IMHO, it's an easy case to make.
On the other hand, even US citizens can do the same to you...
I had to fire someone six months ago for accepting payment for providing accounting services on the side. Sure, it's an unethical thing for the employee to do...as a CPA my employees can do work on the side for free, but it is an ethics code violation if my employee accepts payment for the same. In other words, I can lose my license to practice because I "authorized" the work by allowing it to occur.
So when this a-hole did his side business. I had to immediately fire the employee and report it to the Board. If I didn't, and say the "on-the-side" client sued my employee, well I would have been screwed.
The result was this guy was sued by the Board (they hate those people), and I felt a bit better. He even called me, pissed off about the suit...I had to explain to him that I wasn't sueing him, and I certainly wouldn't have done so. I also told him I was required to report it to the Board, and why. I had also explained this to him when I fired him. I also explain this when we hire people, and it's in the personnel manual, and it even says you will get sued by the Board when it happens.
I hope it was worth the $1000 he received. I just hope I don't have to testify.
You should call the immigration office and the local Cali tax officers, if you think its worth the possible consequences.
Here's the rub:
1) Violating CA law for operating without a license
2) If he doesn't have a license I can bet he's not reporting his income to California, otherwise they'd ask for his licensing info.
3) If he isn't paying California state taxes for the extra income, he sure isn't going to report it to the IRS (the state & government agencies reconcile this stuff)
4) (this is the one I'm unsure on...this year is the first year I'm providing my services to a Mexican on VISA) To be issued an ITIN I think you have to have a company sponsor you right? Even if you don't, I think that the employer needs to pay the employee's portion of withholding for the ITIN dude. This means he's operating outside the immigration agreement by not paying his withholding...
You should report him, IMHO, it's an easy case to make.
On the other hand, even US citizens can do the same to you...
I had to fire someone six months ago for accepting payment for providing accounting services on the side. Sure, it's an unethical thing for the employee to do...as a CPA my employees can do work on the side for free, but it is an ethics code violation if my employee accepts payment for the same. In other words, I can lose my license to practice because I "authorized" the work by allowing it to occur.
So when this a-hole did his side business. I had to immediately fire the employee and report it to the Board. If I didn't, and say the "on-the-side" client sued my employee, well I would have been screwed.
The result was this guy was sued by the Board (they hate those people), and I felt a bit better. He even called me, pissed off about the suit...I had to explain to him that I wasn't sueing him, and I certainly wouldn't have done so. I also told him I was required to report it to the Board, and why. I had also explained this to him when I fired him. I also explain this when we hire people, and it's in the personnel manual, and it even says you will get sued by the Board when it happens.
I hope it was worth the $1000 he received. I just hope I don't have to testify.
The IRS dont fuck around. IF you wanna report it, report it to them.
has he filed for unemployment yet?
Probably.
I'll fight him on it.
I'll fight him on it.
- Superior Mind
- (not macbeth)
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I think this problem needs to be addressed in Mexico first, the spawning pool of the problem. If they had a better economy, then the poor wouldn't be tempted to seek money in the north. How can the problem be addressed though? If politicians don't care about us, if illegals don't care about us, then what are we, the common citizen, supposed to do?
Not vote for them, I guess.Superior Mind wrote:
I think this problem needs to be addressed in Mexico first, the spawning pool of the problem. If they had a better economy, then the poor wouldn't be tempted to seek money in the north. How can the problem be addressed though? If politicians don't care about us, if illegals don't care about us, then what are we, the common citizen, supposed to do?
Pull a Rwanda and commit mass genocide against Latinos?
if possible? but more civilized. do some outsourcing in germany *blackest humor*mtb0minime wrote:
Pull a Rwanda and commit mass genocide against Latinos?
Ya'll ought to check out the National Geographic this month.Superior Mind wrote:
I think this problem needs to be addressed in Mexico first, the spawning pool of the problem. If they had a better economy, then the poor wouldn't be tempted to seek money in the north. How can the problem be addressed though? If politicians don't care about us, if illegals don't care about us, then what are we, the common citizen, supposed to do?
It talks about the immigration problem Mexico has with it's other border. People are coming up from Guatemala and other areas and getting pretty much fukkered on the way up North. In comparison, there's jobs here and we try to send them back. There, the crime is so bad that they actually have some groups of people who make sure they aren't raped too much, get some food and medicine, and tell them the perils of what they are attempting to do.
They interviewed some guy who said he had a good day because no one beat him up to rob him and no one raped his wife. I dunno if I could qualify that as a "good day".
I think the answer is to end poverty somehow south of the Rio Grande.
yep, thats the answer, but instead they will flood into our cities, lower the standard of living, and eventually there wont be a big difference between an american and a mexican. the difference will be between U.S. corporate stockholders and the avg. citizens of the US, Mexico and Canada (and the stockholders will probably retreat to insularity). Mexico and the rest of the third world will not emerge from poverty until the corporate empires, which seek to undercut all other world enterprises for their own eminence, finally collapse. its this corporate exploitation which has lead to the unlivable sweatshop culture that can be found in many latin american cities and the fact that the cost of labor has been driven down into obscurity. but the corporations own everything. your food, water, energy, ammo... i dont know how the fuck you can behead that monster. but i can tell you that shooting all the mexicans you see on the border isnt going to do a damn bit of a difference as they just get poorer and more desperate. and like somebody already said, mexico is the envy of central/south america. they are "rich." the exodus runs a lot deeper, both politically and on the map. sorry, drunk post, hope it comes across.Pug wrote:
Ya'll ought to check out the National Geographic this month.Superior Mind wrote:
I think this problem needs to be addressed in Mexico first, the spawning pool of the problem. If they had a better economy, then the poor wouldn't be tempted to seek money in the north. How can the problem be addressed though? If politicians don't care about us, if illegals don't care about us, then what are we, the common citizen, supposed to do?
It talks about the immigration problem Mexico has with it's other border. People are coming up from Guatemala and other areas and getting pretty much fukkered on the way up North. In comparison, there's jobs here and we try to send them back. There, the crime is so bad that they actually have some groups of people who make sure they aren't raped too much, get some food and medicine, and tell them the perils of what they are attempting to do.
They interviewed some guy who said he had a good day because no one beat him up to rob him and no one raped his wife. I dunno if I could qualify that as a "good day".
I think the answer is to end poverty somehow south of the Rio Grande.
Everyone wants a free ride, give them a break and they'll screw you - its not just Mexicans.
Being a supervisor is not hard but still a headache - people taking sickies, endless personal calls, I sat next to a girl who spent three solid months sorting out her house purchase FFS.
I couldn't run a business, most of the people I know who do are becoming or are already sole traders.
I am sick of people, you help them out and they kick you in the teeth.
I don't loan anything to anyone, money, books, tools - forget it. You want my time you can pay. A few friends excepted.
On the plus side I like to think I can gauge someone's character pretty quick.
/rant
Being a supervisor is not hard but still a headache - people taking sickies, endless personal calls, I sat next to a girl who spent three solid months sorting out her house purchase FFS.
I couldn't run a business, most of the people I know who do are becoming or are already sole traders.
I am sick of people, you help them out and they kick you in the teeth.
I don't loan anything to anyone, money, books, tools - forget it. You want my time you can pay. A few friends excepted.
On the plus side I like to think I can gauge someone's character pretty quick.
/rant
Fuck Israel
I know a lot of folks here have different economic ideas, some are capitalists like I am, some are straight socialists. Some of you own businesses and think we should all take care of ourselves, some think society should take care of everyone. Let me tell you though, if anyone here hasn't read the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, you ought to. It'll get you up and get your ass working HARD every day.
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yep im with you in the last few things you say.Dilbert_X wrote:
Everyone wants a free ride, give them a break and they'll screw you - its not just Mexicans.
Being a supervisor is not hard but still a headache - people taking sickies, endless personal calls, I sat next to a girl who spent three solid months sorting out her house purchase FFS.
I couldn't run a business, most of the people I know who do are becoming or are already sole traders.
I am sick of people, you help them out and they kick you in the teeth.
I don't loan anything to anyone, money, books, tools - forget it. You want my time you can pay. A few friends excepted.
On the plus side I like to think I can gauge someone's character pretty quick.
/rant
everyone wants it free, blacks, whites, mexicans, mexicants, germans, and so on. we as a society have taken convienence and crapped all over it.
It's a two sided problem. One party wants their votes, and the other party doesn't want to hurt their big money constituents that make more money from using illegal labor.
In fact, it was just on the new last night and this morning. Here locally they raided a company and took about 50 illegals away. The kicker was that their families/friends are saying how unfair it is that the families are now separated and they don't know what they are going to do. I say, follow along, and don't come back until you do so through the legal immigration process.
In fact, it was just on the new last night and this morning. Here locally they raided a company and took about 50 illegals away. The kicker was that their families/friends are saying how unfair it is that the families are now separated and they don't know what they are going to do. I say, follow along, and don't come back until you do so through the legal immigration process.
The American Union. Its the only answer the corporations and International Bankers (who control politicians, governments, elected officials) want to see come to fruition.mtb0minime wrote:
I wonder how long it'll be until the government finally decides to do something about this problem. 12 million illegals later and still no promise of any border control.
The American Union again.Spark wrote:
What the hell?
Are the heads of your government screwed on backwards? How could they possibly NOT do something about illegal immigrants? Deportations at the very least, or greatly increased taxes. Or something. Otherwise your borders are compromised, and thus your sovereignty is compromised.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.