no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
Maybe because it combines the harmful affects of both alcohol and cigarettes. Smoking pot can lead to lung diseases and problems as similar to smoking and driving a car under the influence of pot is as dangerous as drinking and driving...both impair the ability to react and think properly when driving.Reciprocity wrote:
I find it hard to believe that weed has never been involved in a fatal car accident, or any kind of fatal accident. not that it's worse than alcohol, cigarettes, or cell phones, but I always hear that rediculous claim.krAzi wrote:
i agree...what gets me the most is that cigs and drinkin have killed ppl but pot hasnt but yet its illegal.
In the sense that people can get addicted to pornography and the internet, it can be addictive.krAzi wrote:
then prove its addictive
Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it often interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. According to the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, an estimated 5.6 million Americans age 12 or older reported problems with illicit drug use in the past year. Of these, 3.6 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on an illicit drug. More than 2 million met diagnostic criteria for dependence on marijuana/hashish. In 1999, more than 220,000 people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their primary drug of abuse.
Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety. They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.
Why do we need medical proof when we have an account of it happening?
We don't.
We don't.
find me a case where some one has died from lung disease from smoking pot
Are you not reading the thread?
becuase you dont know facts from fictionnukchebi0 wrote:
Why do we need medical proof when we have an account of it happening?
We don't.
I would say you don't.
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOTkrAzi wrote:
no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
He's right...krAzi wrote:
ok let me put this into simple terms for you...pot in its self hasnt killed any one, of course if you were to drive while high you could have an accident, but thats adding different factors to it.
In the wrong hands pit can be dangerous,as it can trigger mental problems.
I have smoked pot for years and never had any accidents,but also never taken it to far.
The way i see it,if your fucked up already then there is a pretty god chance pot will fuck you up even more.
Everything in moderation.(this only applies for pot.cigs,beer)
Thats just bad parenting,i have kids and would never smoke ciggies in front of them nevermind pot.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOTkrAzi wrote:
no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
Also there is a mental addiction to pot,very similar to nicotine but not as half as strong.
IF YOU WANT TO SMOKE,then you will.The fact that he fucked his life is a example of what not to do.
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Thank you.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOTkrAzi wrote:
no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
Actually, it was someone else who questioned your maturity.. Did the weed destroy too many brain cells there? Because I'm not liking your spelling at all.krAzi wrote:
and you question my maturity? i simply posted a site for other people who smoke marijuana to have a look at, not for people who dont and want to argue, hence the title of the post "my fellow pot smokers"nukchebi0 wrote:
Pot smoking: because everyone needs to fail somehow.
Seriosly, this topic has been done to death, and I'm pretty sure the ones for legalization have been destroyed every time.
-konfusion
Find me this, find me that. Keep moving the bar back.krAzi wrote:
find me a case where some one has died from lung disease from smoking pot
Obviously a drug does not need to be non-addictive to be considered legal. Nicotine anyone? Alcohol?
You are focusing on the wrong arguments. Maybe if you stopped percolating your brain in THC, you could argue the right points for the legalization of marijuana.
Are you serious.............my sister almost died of a lung collapse...why, the doctors blamed her pot smoking and told her that if she continued that she would die because of her use. All it took was some nice x-rays and pictures of her lungs to make her quit and change her life....you are too stuck on reading what you want to read on the net and not understanding real life. People DO die from impaired driving and diseases of the lung...be real!!!krAzi wrote:
find me a case where some one has died from lung disease from smoking pot
Yeah... this is spot on.SenorToenails wrote:
Find me this, find me that. Keep moving the bar back.krAzi wrote:
find me a case where some one has died from lung disease from smoking pot
Obviously a drug does not need to be non-addictive to be considered legal. Nicotine anyone? Alcohol?
You are focusing on the wrong arguments. Maybe if you stopped percolating your brain in THC, you could argue the right points for the legalization of marijuana.
@OP. This is really mismatched, and you are not on the dominant side. You are going to have to wait until the morning so the potheads in the South can come to your aid. Sorry.
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and he is the reason most pot smokers get a bad rep, becuase they make bad descions not becuase you say he is addicted to it...there is no medical proof stateing that you can become addicted to marijuana. maybe you should read into the link ive postednukchebi0 wrote:
Thank you.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOTkrAzi wrote:
no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
Of course it was bad parenting on his part....that is why my sister gave him a choice. Either stop messing with the stuff or lose everything and he chose to lose everything. No matter how you slice it.....he was and is addicted to pot smoking.{uscm}Jyden wrote:
He's right...krAzi wrote:
ok let me put this into simple terms for you...pot in its self hasnt killed any one, of course if you were to drive while high you could have an accident, but thats adding different factors to it.
In the wrong hands pit can be dangerous,as it can trigger mental problems.
I have smoked pot for years and never had any accidents,but also never taken it to far.
The way i see it,if your fucked up already then there is a pretty god chance pot will fuck you up even more.
Everything in moderation.(this only applies for pot.cigs,beer)Thats just bad parenting,i have kids and would never smoke ciggies in front of them nevermind pot.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOTkrAzi wrote:
no it doesnt...give me medical proof that it is addictive, but the thing is you wont be able to.
Also there is a mental addiction to pot,very similar to nicotine but not as half as strong.
IF YOU WANT TO SMOKE,then you will.The fact that he fucked his life is a example of what not to do.
You come with the age old argument of alcohol and tobacco? And you think that they would be legalized if introduced today? Seriously? The only reason it hasn't been made illegal is because it's much too integrated into society through traditions (talking more about alcohol than tobacco).SenorToenails wrote:
Find me this, find me that. Keep moving the bar back.krAzi wrote:
find me a case where some one has died from lung disease from smoking pot
Obviously a drug does not need to be non-addictive to be considered legal. Nicotine anyone? Alcohol?
You are focusing on the wrong arguments. Maybe if you stopped percolating your brain in THC, you could argue the right points for the legalization of marijuana.
An example of this is Christians drinking wine during mass.
Have not seen that kind of integration with weed - and it hasn't been around long enough for it to cause the same commotion the banning of alcohol did. It's not going to change... If anything, the laws on tobacco and alcohol will (which you can see in most of the world with prohibition of smoking in certain areas).
-konfusion
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How about no, because almost every proof any weed smoker has ever shown me is a pile of biased shit?krAzi wrote:
and he is the reason most pot smokers get a bad rep, becuase they make bad descions not becuase you say he is addicted to it...there is no medical proof stateing that you can become addicted to marijuana. maybe you should read into the link ive posted
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Oh yes, the almighty internet link is God.....you see, that is your problem....internet tells you what is right and wrong. I honestly could care less what link anyone gave me. I know what it does first hand, I see the affect it has not only on my sister but my 16 and 10 year old nieces. When you grow up and have nieces and nephews and they cry to you about the addicted father...then maybe you might sober up. I don't live my life based on link, i live it in reality. I am friends with police, firemen and my wife is a nurse.....I know the stories and I have seen what pot is capable of doing to a human body mentally and physically.krAzi wrote:
and he is the reason most pot smokers get a bad rep, becuase they make bad descions not becuase you say he is addicted to it...there is no medical proof stateing that you can become addicted to marijuana. maybe you should read into the link ive postednukchebi0 wrote:
Thank you.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Lets see, when my sister's husband chose to keep smoking, keep getting arrested for possession, for driving while smoking, choosing to smoke it in front of his young children to the point the my nieces called his pot "the little cigarettes" and when the pot became more important than all those things (even trying to cheat on his job drug tests) and he was given an ultimatum to quit....he chose his habit and a family divorced and destroyed...because of pot. Hmmmmm.....no addiction there....NOT
Jesus Christ. You seem to always add some extra-special meaning to my posts.konfusion wrote:
You come with the age old argument of alcohol and tobacco? And you think that they would be legalized if introduced today? Seriously? The only reason it hasn't been made illegal is because it's much too integrated into society through traditions (talking more about alcohol than tobacco).
An example of this is Christians drinking wine during mass.
Have not seen that kind of integration with weed - and it hasn't been around long enough for it to cause the same commotion the banning of alcohol did. It's not going to change... If anything, the laws on tobacco and alcohol will (which you can see in most of the world with prohibition of smoking in certain areas).
I don't care if alcohol or nicotine would be illegal if discovered today. That is not the debate. I used it as an example that the propensity for a substance to be addictive has very little to do with its legality, as both of those are obviously addictive.
My point was that this guy starts trying to show why marijuana is good solely because it is not addictive. That is clearly the wrong argument.
Fair enough: I thought you were using alcohol and tobacco as a justification of the legalization of marijuana, which also is clearly the wrong argument.SenorToenails wrote:
Jesus Christ. You seem to always add some extra-special meaning to my posts.
I don't care if alcohol or nicotine would be illegal if discovered today. That is not the debate. I used it as an example that the propensity for a substance to be addictive has very little to do with its legality, as both of those are obviously addictive.
My point was that this guy starts trying to show why marijuana is good solely because it is not addictive. That is clearly the wrong argument.
-konfusion
this wasnt supposed to be an argument fest in the first place...SenorToenails wrote:
Jesus Christ. You seem to always add some extra-special meaning to my posts.konfusion wrote:
You come with the age old argument of alcohol and tobacco? And you think that they would be legalized if introduced today? Seriously? The only reason it hasn't been made illegal is because it's much too integrated into society through traditions (talking more about alcohol than tobacco).
An example of this is Christians drinking wine during mass.
Have not seen that kind of integration with weed - and it hasn't been around long enough for it to cause the same commotion the banning of alcohol did. It's not going to change... If anything, the laws on tobacco and alcohol will (which you can see in most of the world with prohibition of smoking in certain areas).
I don't care if alcohol or nicotine would be illegal if discovered today. That is not the debate. I used it as an example that the propensity for a substance to be addictive has very little to do with its legality, as both of those are obviously addictive.
My point was that this guy starts trying to show why marijuana is good solely because it is not addictive. That is clearly the wrong argument.
Definitely not.konfusion wrote:
Fair enough: I thought you were using alcohol and tobacco as a justification of the legalization of marijuana, which also is clearly the wrong argument.
-konfusion
Sure it was.krAzi wrote:
this wasnt supposed to be an argument fest in the first place...
argument, statement (a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true) "it was a strong argument that his hypothesis was true"
Posting such a controversial subject is invariably going to result in argument.krAzi wrote:
this wasnt supposed to be an argument fest in the first place...SenorToenails wrote:
Jesus Christ. You seem to always add some extra-special meaning to my posts.konfusion wrote:
You come with the age old argument of alcohol and tobacco? And you think that they would be legalized if introduced today? Seriously? The only reason it hasn't been made illegal is because it's much too integrated into society through traditions (talking more about alcohol than tobacco).
An example of this is Christians drinking wine during mass.
Have not seen that kind of integration with weed - and it hasn't been around long enough for it to cause the same commotion the banning of alcohol did. It's not going to change... If anything, the laws on tobacco and alcohol will (which you can see in most of the world with prohibition of smoking in certain areas).
I don't care if alcohol or nicotine would be illegal if discovered today. That is not the debate. I used it as an example that the propensity for a substance to be addictive has very little to do with its legality, as both of those are obviously addictive.
My point was that this guy starts trying to show why marijuana is good solely because it is not addictive. That is clearly the wrong argument.