syndicat111
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm

The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".
Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.

For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.
An approach to law which simply said - there's one law for everybody - I think that's a bit of a danger
Im not quite sure what to make of this...
Mekstizzle
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Fuck that shit. One set of laws for everyone, Including politicians and those royal goons, please.
CameronPoe
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Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion. Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse. If someone of his stature said that here in Ireland I'd give him a piece of my mind.

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syndicat111
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CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion.
Regardless of his true intentions, how can a country run with one set of laws made by a democratically elected government, yet have a completely different parallel set (to some degree) for another culture? 

Anarchy anyone?

edit, found this quote:

"There's a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law, as we already do with some other aspects of religious law."

Dr Williams adds: "What we don't want either, is I think, a stand-off, where the law squares up to people's religious consciences."
One, I dont think that there are many active Christian or anyother religious laws in action and two, the law and religion are two seperate entities:  That is to say, religion is most often optional, especially in Britain, but the Law is permanent with no exceptions regardless of race, creed or colour.

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CameronPoe
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syndicat111 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion.
Regardless of his true intentions, how can a country run with one set of laws made by a democratically elected government, yet have a completely different parallel set (to some degree) for another culture? 

Anarchy anyone?
The guy's a bishop - don't pay any attention to him, noone else will! Religion is long dead in Europe, long live secularity.
Braddock
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I'm all for equal rights ...but not unequal rights. Any Muslim that comes to settle in another country has to accept the rules and Government as they enter. If they don't like it they can go back to the country they came from. Simple as that.
syndicat111
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … 3-2005.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i … ed_Kingdom

Apparently, according to this graph, as of 2005 over 50% of people are still christian, or have some sort of belief.  Not all of them can be devout, but take a percentage of say around 30million people, there are still a fair few who would follow the Bishop...

However, I accept that Britain, and Europe, has become predominantly secular.

Edit:  Upon further reading, as of 2001 over 40million people were considered Christian, as oppose to 13million who considered themselves, in brief, athiests.

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CameronPoe
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syndicat111 wrote:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Bsa-religion-question-1983-2005.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i … ed_Kingdom

Apparently, according to this graph, as of 2005 over 50% of people are still christian, or have some sort of belief.  Not all of them can be devout, but take a percentage of say around 30million people, there are still a fair few who would follow the Bishop...

However, I accept that Britain, and Europe, has become predominantly secular.

Edit:  Upon further reading, as of 2001 over 40million people were considered Christian, as oppose to 13million who considered themselves, in brief, athiests.
Most of those would simply be nominally Christian. Look at Church attendance levels for a more realistic view of things.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/news/pr0707.html

Average Sunday attendance fell by two per cent to 988,000. (2004: 1,010,000; 2003: 1,017,000).

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syndicat111
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My point was that there is a section of societe that listens to the Bishop - that is to say, he still retains some degree of influence.
David.P
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CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion. Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse. If someone of his stature said that here in Ireland I'd give him a piece of my mind.
Cam that just doesn't make sense in any conceivable logical way.
Collateralis
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Gordon Brown seems to have actually stood up for something for one - probably to meet his 'british' agenda. I think its absolutely shameful that the figurehead of the Church of England is willing to let this country to be divided up into different regions with different laws. We have fought long enough over the centuries uniting this country not to have it ripped apart again by the demands of radical clerics and small sects.


Should just burn them, that would shut them up.

(The comment above is not reflective of my true character, but I just feel like hitting something when I see representatives of this country being so spineless). I'm 19 and to be honest if this carries on in the same vain, I will probably leave this country to live somewhere else.

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CameronPoe
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David.P wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion. Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse. If someone of his stature said that here in Ireland I'd give him a piece of my mind.
Cam that just doesn't make sense in any conceivable logical way.
I'll break it down.

If the government made concession for one religion they'd have to do likewise for everyone. As such, Christian churches could then start administering their own 'legal system' in parallel with the rightful system too. Bishops don't generally promote other religions: their duty is to convert and preach the gospel. This guy is just hungry for influence and wants to get heard.

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ghettoperson
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I'm curious as to where exactly the law does this?

"What we don't want either, is I think, a stand-off, where the law squares up to people's religious consciences."
ATG
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CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion. Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse. If someone of his stature said that here in Ireland I'd give him a piece of my mind.
ha
Mekstizzle
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ATG wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Don't listen to him - he's a 'man of the cloth'. He probably thinks that if the government make concessions for Islam then they'll have to do the same for every other religion meaning that in ten years time he could have a Christian State of England ruled by a council of Cardinals. Religion schmeligion. Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse. If someone of his stature said that here in Ireland I'd give him a piece of my mind.
ha
wat
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syndicat111 wrote:

My point was that there is a section of societe that listens to the Bishop - that is to say, he still retains some degree of influence.
There's a section of society for everyone.  There's a section that believes the crap the Labour party comes up with but that doesn't mean they're right.

This Archbishop is off his rocker.  We don't need separate laws for the faithful.  What we do need is police to enforce the laws of the land.
CameronPoe
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Hold on just one goddamn minute. I just read this excerpt from the BBC article:

Dr Williams noted that Orthodox Jewish courts already operated, and that the law accommodated the anti-abortion views of some Christians.
Britain I hereby disqualify you from the EU, effective immediately.
Switch
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CameronPoe wrote:

Somebody needs to give him a good kick in the arse.
Heh, reminded me of a certain Father Ted episode.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
M.O.A.B
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That's it I'm heading to the States right nao!
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
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M.O.A.B wrote:

That's it I'm heading to the States right nao!
Bollocks to that, if there was one place I'd emigrate, (and I wouldnt) it would be Australia or New Zealand.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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KILLSWITCH wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

That's it I'm heading to the States right nao!
Bollocks to that, if there was one place I'd emigrate, (and I wouldnt) it would be Australia or New Zealand.
They'd be me other choices along wiht Canada, but there's a girl I like in America
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6892|Tyne & Wear, England

M.O.A.B wrote:

KILLSWITCH wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

That's it I'm heading to the States right nao!
Bollocks to that, if there was one place I'd emigrate, (and I wouldnt) it would be Australia or New Zealand.
They'd be me other choices along wiht Canada, but there's a girl I like in America
Hilliary Clintion
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6652|Escea

KILLSWITCH wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

KILLSWITCH wrote:


Bollocks to that, if there was one place I'd emigrate, (and I wouldnt) it would be Australia or New Zealand.
They'd be me other choices along wiht Canada, but there's a girl I like in America
Hilliary Clintion
YARGHH!
usmarine
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Braddock wrote:

I'm all for equal rights ...but not unequal rights. Any Muslim that comes to settle in another country has to accept the rules and Government as they enter. If they don't like it they can go back to the country they came from. Simple as that.
I wish it was as simple as that.  Sometimes judges don't feel the same way for some reason.
JahManRed
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+646|7057|IRELAND

There is already Jewish law & courts in the UK. This is just another version for Muslims. It doesn't have any effect on us infidel. If you are Jewish in Britain and want a divorce you go to the Jewish court and now you can submit your hand for chopping at the Muslim court.

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