Braddock
Agitator
+916|6719|Éire
...At Rugby Internationals In The North?

Because that's what many Unionists are calling for, including Lord Ken Maginnis. They are claiming the current policy of playing Amrán Na bhFiann for games in the South and 'Ireland's Call' for games in the North is not in line with the sentiment of the good Friday agreement. They believe God Save The Queen should be played and the Union Jack should be raised for 'home' Internationals in the six counties.

One big question I have is why Northern Irish Unionists have such a love for the ENGLISH national anthem. Scotland have 'Oh Flower Of Scotland', Wales have 'Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau' ...why do Northern Irish Unionists feel the need to stand and salute England's anthem? Have they no sense of identity of their own? I know they don't view themselves as Republican Irish but do they really see themselves as English?

Personally I would rather have nails driven into my ears than see an Irish team line out for the English national anthem and if it were up to me I'd rather revert to a separate Republic Of Ireland team than endure such a fate. Northern Irish players who view themselves as Irish can play for the South under the terms of the Good Friday agreement anyway, so it would be no loss to us. I wonder how successful an exclusively Northern Irish rugby team would be!?

The fact of the matter is that Northern Ireland has an undeniable link with the the island of Ireland. We are all Irish, in the geographic sense ...there's no getting away from that. Furthermore, despite the complicated situation and status of the North, we are not all British ...though some people in the North may choose to identify themselves as British, and that's their choice but they can't deny their 'Irishness'; we in the south on the other hand have no connection with Britain (geographically or otherwise) and therefore the concessions in terms of all Ireland anthems and flags must be made on the side of Unionists, otherwise the only alternative is a Northern Irish or British team.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news … 34699.html
Jepeto87
Member
+38|7114|Dublin
They should just set up seperate teams if this keeps going on, how crucial are the northern players anyway?
Not a big rugby fan.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
tell ye what, it felt great belting out Amrán Na bhFiann in Páirc an Chrócaigh the other night for the Ireland / Brazil match in a packed stadium! as for in the North? I reckon they should play neither, it's all about neutralising at the minute..
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6955|Milkystania, yurop
Yes why not, Wales is the british capital in Ireland
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7078

I'm willing to bet you had to look up the Welsh national anthem.
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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6892|Tyne & Wear, England

IG-Calibre wrote:

tell ye what, it felt great belting out Amrán Na bhFiann in Páirc an Chrócaigh the other night for the Ireland / Brazil match in a packed stadium! as for in the North? I reckon they should play neither, it's all about neutralising at the minute..
Alas, it added another casualty to Sunderland's injury stricked squad.

Wigan this weekend, Fuck.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6955|Milkystania, yurop




its just liek injuns an their land
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7050|London, England
Stupid Northern Ireland. Get your own Flag, and get your own National Anthem. Actually, gtfo out of the UK and join Ireland. You're no use, same goes for Scotland. Wales can stay because of Surgeons (the bf2s member, although I'm sure they provide alot of Doctors too)

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-02-08 04:03:58)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6922|N. Ireland

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stupid Northern Ireland. Get your own Flag, and get your own National Anthem. Actually, gtfo out of the UK and join Ireland. You're no use, same goes for Scotland. Wales can stay because of Surgeons (the bf2s member, although I'm sure they provide alot of Doctors too)
Well, thanks!

https://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/europe/uk/images/northern-ireland-flag.png

If it is played in Ireland (not North) then Unionist views don't mean anything. Northern Ireland is predominantly unionist, Ireland being nationalist.

Last edited by kylef (2008-02-08 04:11:34)

madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7139|Sweden
Go with the "Belfast Brigade" instead
100% Irishpride
Banned
+81|6588|Dublin
How about u english piss off!  Why would we want to play a scum national anthem in a country that should be ours?
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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6892|Tyne & Wear, England

100% Irishpride wrote:

How about u english piss off!  Why would we want to play a scum national anthem in a country that should be ours?
What a lovely and pleasant individual you appear to be.

Actually, no English 'scum' is suggesting the aforementioned.  It's some of your Northern Irish brothers who actually proposed it, go cry to them instead.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7174|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark
Northan Ireland is part of the UK, so yes play the anthem!
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6984

The_Guardsman wrote:

Northan Ireland is part of the UK, so yes play the anthem!
The team you speak of for which an anthem is to be played is not a Northern Ireland team or a Republic of Ireland team - it's an amalgam of the two.
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7174|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark

CameronPoe wrote:

The_Guardsman wrote:

Northan Ireland is part of the UK, so yes play the anthem!
The team you speak of for which an anthem is to be played is not a Northern Ireland team or a Republic of Ireland team - it's an amalgam of the two.
Fair point. Ok then do like the jocks do and play something like that. At the end of the day you can't please everyone.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6978|UK

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stupid Northern Ireland. Get your own Flag, and get your own National Anthem. Actually, gtfo out of the UK and join Ireland. You're no use, same goes for Scotland. Wales can stay because of Surgeons (the bf2s member, although I'm sure they provide alot of Doctors too)
You know what my reply to u mr engerland is going to be dont ya (see location) xD
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7050|London, England

Bell wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stupid Northern Ireland. Get your own Flag, and get your own National Anthem. Actually, gtfo out of the UK and join Ireland. You're no use, same goes for Scotland. Wales can stay because of Surgeons (the bf2s member, although I'm sure they provide alot of Doctors too)
You know what my reply to u mr engerland is going to be dont ya (see location) xD
wat
JahManRed
wank
+646|7057|IRELAND

kylef wrote:

Northern Ireland is predominantly unionist.
Wrong. There is no more than a 2% difference. And with the Catholic/nationalist hate for birth control we shall see that 2% disappear in the next few years.

The unionists in NI should be asking for Flower of Scotland to be played as their forefathers were Scottish. The English government kicked all the people off their own land and gave it to them making the original land owners their 'tenants', forcing them to pay rent on land that has been in their families for generations.

They call their culture 'Ulster Scots'. so it should be the Scottish national anthem or make up their own.
The sooner they realise that they aren't English or Scottish or Irish and get their own fucking identity and stop whinging the better.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6719|Éire

JahManRed wrote:

kylef wrote:

Northern Ireland is predominantly unionist.
Wrong. There is no more than a 2% difference. And with the Catholic/nationalist hate for birth control we shall see that 2% disappear in the next few years.

The unionists in NI should be asking for Flower of Scotland to be played as their forefathers were Scottish. The English government kicked all the people off their own land and gave it to them making the original land owners their 'tenants', forcing them to pay rent on land that has been in their families for generations.

They call their culture 'Ulster Scots'. so it should be the Scottish national anthem or make up their own.
The sooner they realise that they aren't English or Scottish or Irish and get their own fucking identity and stop whinging the better.
Quite Right ...theyr'e 'Ulster Scoots' I believe.

Aye can speak Ulster Scoots too, see wit aye mean, aye!

Check out the website for a good giggle at their 'language': http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6984

Braddock wrote:

Quite Right ...theyr'e 'Ulster Scoots' I believe.

Aye can speak Ulster Scoots too, see wit aye mean, aye!

Check out the website for a good giggle at their 'language': http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/
Apparently an accent now qualifies as a language...
JahManRed
wank
+646|7057|IRELAND

CameronPoe wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Quite Right ...theyr'e 'Ulster Scoots' I believe.

Aye can speak Ulster Scoots too, see wit aye mean, aye!

Check out the website for a good giggle at their 'language': http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/
Apparently an accent now qualifies as a language...
I know. But I think it is a good thing. The unionists have such an affiliation with Britishness they have forgot that you are Scottish/welsh/English first and British Second. Britain is a union of countries. They are British first and for second.............well they haven't a clue and there in lays the problem.
They have invented this Ulster Scott's heritage thing to give themselves an identity outside Britishness which I think will help the unification cause.
You have Unionist politicians ranting about immigrants integrating into the UK and taking on the language and culture, yet they were once immigrants and they did their best to destroy the Irish language and culture in the North.
When they define their own culture it can then be integrated into the now culturally diverse Ireland. The plantations of Ulster is part of this Islands history as much as the 1916 uprising. Fuck sakes Ian Paisley said "The North of Ireland" the other day, and I nearly fell of my seat. Unionists will soften to the idea of a united Ireland more if they think their culture and identity is protected and respected. This is something the republic recognises. They just handed the Orange order 200 000 last week to protect their culture. A culture which used to oppressed catholics and nationalists for generations. Not anymore though. Part of this heritage which has to be protected has to highlight that fact too IMO. I see a united Ireland in 10 years. I had until recently though it more like 30 years.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6719|Éire

JahManRed wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Quite Right ...theyr'e 'Ulster Scoots' I believe.

Aye can speak Ulster Scoots too, see wit aye mean, aye!

Check out the website for a good giggle at their 'language': http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/
Apparently an accent now qualifies as a language...
I know. But I think it is a good thing. The unionists have such an affiliation with Britishness they have forgot that you are Scottish/welsh/English first and British Second. Britain is a union of countries. They are British first and for second.............well they haven't a clue and there in lays the problem.
They have invented this Ulster Scott's heritage thing to give themselves an identity outside Britishness which I think will help the unification cause.
You have Unionist politicians ranting about immigrants integrating into the UK and taking on the language and culture, yet they were once immigrants and they did their best to destroy the Irish language and culture in the North.
When they define their own culture it can then be integrated into the now culturally diverse Ireland. The plantations of Ulster is part of this Islands history as much as the 1916 uprising. Fuck sakes Ian Paisley said "The North of Ireland" the other day, and I nearly fell of my seat. Unionists will soften to the idea of a united Ireland more if they think their culture and identity is protected and respected. This is something the republic recognises. They just handed the Orange order 200 000 last week to protect their culture. A culture which used to oppressed catholics and nationalists for generations. Not anymore though. Part of this heritage which has to be protected has to highlight that fact too IMO. I see a united Ireland in 10 years. I had until recently though it more like 30 years.
I actually agree too ...despite my little joke at Ulster Scots expense earlier! On a serious level it must be acknowledged that our Unionist brothers and sisters in the North are not going anywhere and must be accommodated in an integrated, united Ireland. There will be no mass exodus or final solution in the six counties. I find the concept of Ulster Scots heritage much more palatable than the flag and culture of a separate landmass altogether.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6978|UK

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Bell wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stupid Northern Ireland. Get your own Flag, and get your own National Anthem. Actually, gtfo out of the UK and join Ireland. You're no use, same goes for Scotland. Wales can stay because of Surgeons (the bf2s member, although I'm sure they provide alot of Doctors too)
You know what my reply to u mr engerland is going to be dont ya (see location) xD
wat
That you can shove your fucking english flag and anthem right up your arse.
jord
Member
+2,382|7107|The North, beyond the wall.

100% Irishpride wrote:

How about u english piss off!  Why would we want to play a scum national anthem in a country that should be ours?
Replace "English" with "Americans" and you'd be banned by now...



As for the actual issue, it's pretty tricky. Like someone said, you can't please everyone...

Maybe a new song to compromise. Then again that wouldn't please too many either.

Leave it as it is now tbh.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7050|London, England

Bell wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Bell wrote:


You know what my reply to u mr engerland is going to be dont ya (see location) xD
wat
That you can shove your fucking english flag and anthem right up your arse.
I just don't see why Northern Ireland use the English Anthem. And you can't argue that England would be better off without having to "support" (mostly financially) Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland. That's all I'm saying.

I think the UK should be broken up tbh. And that, Northern Ireland should go back to Ireland. Or that Northern Ireland become a proper Independent Country and then sort itself out.

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