Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

They made up seven percent of the (DEM) vote and broke 72-23 his way.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primar … html#VADEM
22% of those voting in Virginia’s Democratic primary said they were independents. Of this group, Obama defeated Clinton 69-30 — a better margin than he did among self-identified Democrats. And seven percent of the Democratic electorate yesterday said they were Republicans. Among these cross-over voters, Obama won 72-23.
For those of you who don't know, seven percent in a Primary is huge.

There are 573 delegates up for grabs between March 4 and April 22. For Clinton to even things up, she needs to get 345 of those 573 delegates, or 60 percent – the sort of margin she won in her home state of New York.

    Obama’s dramatic victories Tuesday also put him ahead in the count of pledged delegates even if Florida, whose delegates have not been recognized by the Democratic National Committee, was permitted to seat a delegation.
Either they really dig the guy and are planning to cross over again for him in November or they’re hot to drive a stake through Hillary’s heart.

   

McCain advisor to quit if Obama is the nominee?
Q: Are you committed to working for and supporting McCain no matter who the Democratic nominee is?

    McKinnon: If the Democratic nominee is Barack Obama, I will not work in the general election. I will, however, still support and vote for John McCain. I just don’t want to work against an Obama candidacy. I think a McCain vs. Obama race would be a great choice for the country…

    Q: What is it about Obama that attracts you?

    McKinnon: I don’t think Barack Obama needs the mirror of politics to reflect who (he) is. I think he has deep character and good judgment. I also think he’s wrong on some fundamental issues. But, I believe he is honest and independent and if he were elected, I think it would send a great message to the country and the world. (McKinnon said Obama is “wrong on Iraq and pulling out troops too early.”)
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England
Little girl is waving american flag wrong way round

Guantanamo tbh

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Little girl is waving american flag wrong way round

Guantanamo tbh

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6839|'Murka

I'm fairly confident that it's this

Kmarion wrote:

they’re hot to drive a stake through Hillary’s heart.
And there's nothing wrong with how the little girl is holding the Flag. tbh

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Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7068|Your moms bedroom
Republicans can not vote for Democratic caucases in Maine
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7068|Your moms bedroom

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Little girl is waving american flag wrong way round.
No shes not

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 749AAdzZVK

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

Do you guys have A.D.D. or something?



https://i27.tinypic.com/301k3o7.jpg
Better?
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England
It was a joke. I only made a comment about it because I was being a sinister-twat because the image is such a typical patriotic image and I wanted to make fun of it.

Cos I'm a Jerk

Obama/Cthulhu '08
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

Mek-Izzle wrote:

It was a joke. I only made a comment about it because I was being a sinister-twat because the image is such a typical patriotic image and I wanted to make fun of it.

Cos I'm a Jerk

Obama/Cthulhu '08
It's all good.

http://pro.corbis.com/ ftw.
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OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7077|Washington DC

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6951|...

OrangeHound wrote:

fringe Republican groups
... who steadily diminish in numbers. Just look at the turn outs for the primaries.
No amount of mud throwing would sway the black vote anyway.

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

OrangeHound wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
It's waaay to transparent of an attack and most likely would end up backfiring (By casting Obama as a victim against unfair accusations). I sure as hell wouldn't try to bring forth a real case against Obama being unamerican in a debate. When he speaks about America he epitomizes the American spirit with his words.  Honestly, the GOP is going to go after his experience.
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OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7077|Washington DC

Kmarion wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
It's waaay to transparent of an attack and most likely would end up backfiring (By casting Obama as a victim against unfair accusations). I sure as hell wouldn't try to bring forth a real case against Obama being unamerican in a debate. When he speaks about America he epitomizes the American spirit with his words.  Honestly, the GOP is going to go after his experience.
Yes, I believe the GOP will go after experience.  However, I'm talking about the Republican equivalents of MoveOn.org that will be slandering him.

I'm not saying it is fair or right, just politics.  He participates in an off-normal church, he has the connections with Islamic countries, and he is virtually an unknown.  There are all sorts of slander that can be generated.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

OrangeHound wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
It's waaay to transparent of an attack and most likely would end up backfiring (By casting Obama as a victim against unfair accusations). I sure as hell wouldn't try to bring forth a real case against Obama being unamerican in a debate. When he speaks about America he epitomizes the American spirit with his words.  Honestly, the GOP is going to go after his experience.
Yes, I believe the GOP will go after experience.  However, I'm talking about the Republican equivalents of MoveOn.org that will be slandering him.

I'm not saying it is fair or right, just politics. He participates in an off-normal church, he has the connections with Islamic countries, and he is virtually an unknown.  There are all sorts of slander that can be generated.
All of which have been addressed. People are getting keen to the moveon.org/swift boat agendas. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure their will be some mudslinging going on. I just don't see the Republicans/lobbyist pushing the "Obama hidden agenda" fallacy.
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san4
The Mas
+311|7116|NYC, a place to live
Karl Rove wrote several columns in the Wall Street Journal with advice for Obama on how to beat Hillary in the primary. The Republicans really want Obama to be the nominee because they think they can beat him.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6896

san4 wrote:

Karl Rove wrote several columns in the Wall Street Journal with advice for Obama on how to beat Hillary in the primary. The Republicans really want Obama to be the nominee because they think they can beat him.
I think they would have a much easier time with Hilary. McCain and Obama are getting allot of votes from independants. If both candidates have more-centrist groups supporting them than in the past then it will be harder-fought. Hilary's supporters are more left than Obama, if it were McCain v Hilary, then McCain would get support from the conservatives and a larger portion of the independents than if it were McCain v Obama. I think the reason the right is supporting Obama more is because they consider an Obama victory to be an acceptable loss, they think that they cannot risk Hilary becoming president.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7072

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

san4 wrote:

Karl Rove wrote several columns in the Wall Street Journal with advice for Obama on how to beat Hillary in the primary. The Republicans really want Obama to be the nominee because they think they can beat him.
I think they would have a much easier time with Hilary. McCain and Obama are getting allot of votes from independants. If both candidates have more-centrist groups supporting them than in the past then it will be harder-fought. Hilary's supporters are more left than Obama, if it were McCain v Hilary, then McCain would get support from the conservatives and a larger portion of the independents than if it were McCain v Obama. I think the reason the right is supporting Obama more is because they consider an Obama victory to be an acceptable loss, they think that they cannot risk Hilary becoming president.
I would vote for Mccain if that were the case.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7144

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Little girl is waving american flag wrong way round

Guantanamo tbh

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
Obama will face incredible scrutiny... he may be able to deal with it or maybe not... He is a very dynamic figure...
but we don't need socialized medicine... and he won't be able to just snag all the troops out of Iraq if he wins... people that vote for him will be pretty pissed when he can't...
Just like they were when Nancy Peloser couldn't do it...
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Little girl is waving american flag wrong way round

Guantanamo tbh

I think the amount of shit that will be thrown in the main elections (if he is the #1 candidate), mainly about his "un-american" background i.e: Kenyan family/Indonesia/Middle Name will be a sore sight though. And no doubt it will happen.

If he can get through all that and still win, well, that would be awsm.
It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
Obama will face incredible scrutiny... he may be able to deal with it or maybe not... He is a very dynamic figure...
but we don't need socialized medicine... and he won't be able to just snag all the troops out of Iraq if he wins... people that vote for him will be pretty pissed when he can't...
Just like they were when Nancy Peloser couldn't do it...
Well Nancy Peloser was dealing with a different President wasn't she?
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Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6557|817---->907

Kmarion wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


It's already been attempted. Epic failure tbh.
I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
It's waaay to transparent of an attack and most likely would end up backfiring (By casting Obama as a victim against unfair accusations). I sure as hell wouldn't try to bring forth a real case against Obama being unamerican in a debate. When he speaks about America he epitomizes the American spirit with his words.  Honestly, the GOP is going to go after his experience.
GOP will attack...
1) Voting Record  -  http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
2) Experience 
...If they want to win.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

Moo? Si! wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

I don't think so, K.  Sure, there have been some minor ripples of this in the Democratic primaries, but I suspect that there will be some massive attempts by fringe Republican groups should he be nominated.

All it takes is smoking guns ...
It's waaay to transparent of an attack and most likely would end up backfiring (By casting Obama as a victim against unfair accusations). I sure as hell wouldn't try to bring forth a real case against Obama being unamerican in a debate. When he speaks about America he epitomizes the American spirit with his words.  Honestly, the GOP is going to go after his experience.
GOP will attack...
1) Voting Record  -  http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
2) Experience 
...If they want to win.
Yes, they will. Thing is McCain has a very poor voting record also (maybe worse).
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topthrill05
Member
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Honestly the people who will attack Obama because of his background are simply ignorant, and those who agree with them are as well. End of story.
san4
The Mas
+311|7116|NYC, a place to live

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

and he won't be able to just snag all the troops out of Iraq if he wins...
I think that's how McCain is going to beat Obama. McCain will force Obama to answer questions about exactly how and when he plans to withdraw the troops from Iraq. It will become obvious that Obama can't withdraw the troops anytime soon, despite his promises to do so. Obama will look like a pandering liar on one of the most important issues the next President will have to handle. Game over.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7029|132 and Bush

All you hear from the talking heads now is the only thing Obama is talking about is change. They say he has no substance or "plan" for change. It's actually pretty easy to find out how he plans to do the things he is talking about.

Barack Obama's Plan
Judgment You Can Trust

As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

    * In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
    * In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
    * In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
    * In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
    * In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative

Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.
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san4
The Mas
+311|7116|NYC, a place to live

Kmarion wrote:

All you hear from the talking heads now is the only thing Obama is talking about is change. They say he has no substance or "plan" for change. It's actually pretty easy to find out how he plans to do the things he is talking about.

Barack Obama's Plan
Judgment You Can Trust

As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

    * In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
    * In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
    * In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
    * In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
    * In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative

Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.
Is that a parody or is it real?

The problem with that so-called "plan" is that there are irreconcilable goals among the players in Iraq. Talking won't make any of them abandon goals that are critical for their survival. If the US withdrew all combat brigades from Iraq in 16 months, the following things would happen:

1. Shiite militias would massacre Sunnis. President Obama would not be able to stop it because there is still too much hatred and suspicion between the two groups. Leading militias would also be a way for ambitious Shiites to gain recognition and power. And good luck convincing Shiites to share oil revenues with the Sunnis. Who gives away money? Shiite-Sunni violence would hurt US interests because the world would be horrified that the US would let it happen, and the ethnic conflict could drag in Saudi Arabia and Iran on opposite sides.

2. Al Qaeda would re-establish itself in Iraq. With US protection gone, the Sunnis would welcome Al Qaeda as an ally against the Shiite militias. Al Qaeda wouldn't respond to President Obama's diplomacy, and Sunnis facing death squads wouldn't either.

3. Iran's influence in Iraq would dramatically increase. Iran might even openly bring in troops. President Obama would not be able to convince Iran to let chaos reign on its border.

If Obama's "plan" for a withdrawal from Iraq involves phrases like "aggressive diplomacy," "taking responsibility" and "supporting reconciliation," that's just another way of saying he has no plan. McCain will eat him alive.

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