lowing
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+1,662|7079|USA
As you all know I have been hit especially hard over threads and comments I have made regarding Islam. More commonly I have told I am paranoid.

This leads me to a question

WHy do all think I am paranoid about the obvious intent of Islamic radicalism and their "peaceful and tolerant religion" and you think you are not paranoid about shootings in the US or the Patriot Act?

Whenever multiple people get shot in the US there is the inevitable outcry for taking ALL of our law abiding citizens guns away from us. As if this would solve the problem. There is also the perception that we can't walk down our streets because we are allowed to own guns. How do you feel you are not a bit paranoid and over reacting to this issue?

You all think the Patriot Act is George Bush listening in on your phone calls as if this administration has nothing better to do than listen to you tell your friends how the new girl you are dating won't fuck you yet. It is a tool to make it easier to build evidence to capture bad guys. Nothing more. Yet, you all insist we are headed to an "Orwellian" state and this is the beginning of the end for the US and freedom all together. Kinda paranoid if you ask me.

Now back to my posts about Islam and its radical elements:

I say, radical members of Islam want to destroy the west. I think Islam itself is a major tool used by its members to try and accomplish this. I say Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society, and I say that continued immigration of these Muslims into the west will cause problems because of the ease the radical elements can blend in. I have never said radical Islam will succeed in their quest for the destruction of western society. There is nothing paranoid about these comments, they are all fact, or opinion based on what I read.

All of this bullshit about how I endorse genocide, rounding up the Muslims and putting them in concentration camps, and countless other accusations was never said by me. This crap comes from all of you. I have pretty much maintained a level head and calm composer even through all of the bombardment of comments about how I am a Nazi, racist, bigot, asshole, stupid, my lost credibility, and all the rest.



So the question is..................who is paranoid again??

Last edited by lowing (2008-02-16 05:10:26)

IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society" is both bigoted - quel surprise & unconstitutional, maybe you wanna read the first amendment again Lowing?..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-02-16 05:27:11)

Mr Caek
You will be baked, and then there will be cake.
+12|6428|Lincoln, UK

IG-Calibre wrote:

saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society" is both bigoted - quel surprise & unconstitutional, maybe you wanna read the first amendment again Lowing?..
But Islam is.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

IG-Calibre wrote:

saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society" is both bigoted - quel surprise & unconstitutional, maybe you wanna read the first amendment again Lowing?..
When Islam goes AGAINST that Constitution, then it IS backwards and HAS no place in our society. It is an intolerant religion and that goes against our grain. I guess what you are saying is, it is unconstitutional to be intolerant of intolerance??


Now, how about the rest of my "observation" any comments??
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society" is both bigoted - quel surprise & unconstitutional, maybe you wanna read the first amendment again Lowing?..
When Islam goes AGAINST that Constitution, then it IS backwards and HAS no place in our society. It is an intolerant religion and that goes against our grain. I guess what you are saying is, it is unconstitutional to be intolerant of intolerance??


Now, how about the rest of my "observation" any comments??
Lowing at the end of the day there are Hundreds of millions of decent Muslims in this world who just get on with their lives, I presume this is the case for the millions of Muslims who live in America, who are protected under the first amendment to build Mosques and follow their religion and rightly so..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-02-16 05:46:12)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society" is both bigoted - quel surprise & unconstitutional, maybe you wanna read the first amendment again Lowing?..
When Islam goes AGAINST that Constitution, then it IS backwards and HAS no place in our society. It is an intolerant religion and that goes against our grain. I guess what you are saying is, it is unconstitutional to be intolerant of intolerance??


Now, how about the rest of my "observation" any comments??
Lowing at the end of the day there are Hundreds of millions of decent Muslims in this world who just get on with their lives, I presume this is the case for the millions of Muslims who live in America, who are protected under the first ammendment to build Mosques and follow their religion and rightly so..
You are also allowed to worship the devil in America as well...what is your point??


Refer to any other thread about Islam for the difference between the religion and the people.

This thread is regarding my observstions on paranoia.......ya got any opinions about the OP?
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:


When Islam goes AGAINST that Constitution, then it IS backwards and HAS no place in our society. It is an intolerant religion and that goes against our grain. I guess what you are saying is, it is unconstitutional to be intolerant of intolerance??


Now, how about the rest of my "observation" any comments??
Lowing at the end of the day there are Hundreds of millions of decent Muslims in this world who just get on with their lives, I presume this is the case for the millions of Muslims who live in America, who are protected under the first amendment to build Mosques and follow their religion and rightly so..
You are also allowed to worship the devil in America as well...what is your point??


Refer to any other thread about Islam for the difference between the religion and the people.

This thread is regarding my observstions on paranoia.......ya got any opinions about the OP?
I've made my points clear Lowing.  Saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society " is your usual bigoted drivel that you spew all over these forums so stop acting like your nose is put out of joint every time someone calls you a fucking bigot cause that's exactly what you are.  Secondly, by the First amendment, Islam very much  has a place in Western Society along with Satanists, scientologists, people who worship the big green luminous bunny because "Western Society" guarantees freedom of religious expression for all citizens so deal with it..
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:


Lowing at the end of the day there are Hundreds of millions of decent Muslims in this world who just get on with their lives, I presume this is the case for the millions of Muslims who live in America, who are protected under the first amendment to build Mosques and follow their religion and rightly so..
You are also allowed to worship the devil in America as well...what is your point??


Refer to any other thread about Islam for the difference between the religion and the people.

This thread is regarding my observstions on paranoia.......ya got any opinions about the OP?
I've made my points clear Lowing.  Saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society " is your usual bigoted drivel that you spew all over these forums so stop acting like your nose is put out of joint every time someone calls you a fucking bigot cause that's exactly what you are.  Secondly, by the First amendment, Islam very much  has a place in Western Society along with Satanists, scientologists, people who worship the big green luminous bunny because "Western Society" guarantees freedom of religious expression for all citizens so deal with it..
I guess by your standards, because I do not want to live amonst devil worshippers, I am a bigot. I also do not want to live amonst child molesters so that must make me a hate monger.......So be it, that is a label I am willing to live with.

The religion of Islam, holds women, gays etc... as inferior and are intolerant to those that do not practice it. This makes it going in the wrong direction from where society is trying to head.


Now, back to the OP any comments regarding my observations on paranoia???
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6534|eXtreme to the maX
Whenever multiple people get shot in the US there is the inevitable outcry for taking ALL of our law abiding citizens guns away from us. As if this would solve the problem. There is also the perception that we can't walk down our streets because we are allowed to own guns. How do you feel you are not a bit paranoid and over reacting to this issue?
Not sure what your point is here.

Given many more Americans are killed by Americans with guns than Americans are killed by muslims are you saying Americans with guns are backassward and have no place in western society?
Are you saying because the occasional dopamine deprived teenager goes bananas all members of the NRA are hysterical nutjobs bent on slaughter and world domination through radical interpretation of the 2nd amendment?

In a fair and tolerant society extremists, bigots and totalitarian fascists need to be dealt with harshly - by legitimate means determined by society.
Islamic radicals fall into the extremist category, you Lowing fall into the category of bigot, anyone proposing or supporting Orwellian measures like the 'Patriot Act' (that really sounds like something out of Orwell) is a fascist.

Oops, I hear a knock on the door - room 101/Gitmo here I come.
Fuck Israel
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Whenever multiple people get shot in the US there is the inevitable outcry for taking ALL of our law abiding citizens guns away from us. As if this would solve the problem. There is also the perception that we can't walk down our streets because we are allowed to own guns. How do you feel you are not a bit paranoid and over reacting to this issue?
Not sure what your point is here.

Given many more Americans are killed by Americans with guns than Americans are killed by muslims are you saying Americans with guns are backassward and have no place in western society?
Are you saying because the occasional dopamine deprived teenager goes bananas all members of the NRA are hysterical nutjobs bent on slaughter and world domination through radical interpretation of the 2nd amendment?

In a fair and tolerant society extremists, bigots and totalitarian fascists need to be dealt with harshly - by legitimate means determined by society.
Islamic radicals fall into the extremist category, you Lowing fall into the category of bigot, anyone proposing or supporting Orwellian measures like the 'Patriot Act' (that really sounds like something out of Orwell) is a fascist.

Oops, I hear a knock on the door - room 101/Gitmo here I come.
I think you mighta mis-read the OP or I am mis-understanding you.....Being intolerant of intolerance does not make me a bigot.....in the real world anyway. How about there in fantasyland??
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7269|Cologne, Germany

wikipedia defines paranioa as

"a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat."

I am sure there are more Scientific definitions out there, but this will do, I suppose.

The problem with paranoia is, of course, who defines where justified worry ends and where paranoia starts ? When is the line crossed, so-to-speak ? In some cases, this is easy to tell. Especially when a scientific approach to the issue is possible.
When it comes to issues, however, that are purely based on perceptions, the answer is not that easy, and mostly impossible to tell, except of course if one has the ability to look into the future.

lowing wrote:

So the question is..................who is paranoid again??
Maybe both of us, maybe none of us, maybe only one of us. I can't tell. Can you ? opinions. that's all we exchange here.

I have no illusions about wether I'll be able to actually change anyone's mind about anything here. I am sure you feel the same way.

But that doesn't mean we cannot try.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

wikipedia defines paranioa as

"a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat."

I am sure there are more Scientific definitions out there, but this will do, I suppose.

The problem with paranoia is, of course, who defines where justified worry ends and where paranoia starts ? When is the line crossed, so-to-speak ? In some cases, this is easy to tell. Especially when a scientific approach to the issue is possible.
When it comes to issues, however, that are purely based on perceptions, the answer is not that easy, and mostly impossible to tell, except of course if one has the ability to look into the future.

lowing wrote:

So the question is..................who is paranoid again??
Maybe both of us, maybe none of us, maybe only one of us. I can't tell. Can you ? opinions. that's all we exchange here.

I have no illusions about wether I'll be able to actually change anyone's mind about anything here. I am sure you feel the same way.

But that doesn't mean we cannot try.
A very diplomatic post B.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6534|eXtreme to the maX
How about there in fantasyland??
Why don't you grow up?

On the one hand you're saying anyone in favour of gun control is paranoid, anyone objecting to the patriot act is paranoid, on the other your generalisations about moslems taking over the world are normal and rational?

Divide and conquer makes more sense than total war, but we've discussed this before.......
Fuck Israel
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:


You are also allowed to worship the devil in America as well...what is your point??


Refer to any other thread about Islam for the difference between the religion and the people.

This thread is regarding my observstions on paranoia.......ya got any opinions about the OP?
I've made my points clear Lowing.  Saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society " is your usual bigoted drivel that you spew all over these forums so stop acting like your nose is put out of joint every time someone calls you a fucking bigot cause that's exactly what you are.  Secondly, by the First amendment, Islam very much  has a place in Western Society along with Satanists, scientologists, people who worship the big green luminous bunny because "Western Society" guarantees freedom of religious expression for all citizens so deal with it..
I guess by your standards, because I do not want to live amonst devil worshippers, I am a bigot. I also do not want to live amonst child molesters so that must make me a hate monger.......So be it, that is a label I am willing to live with.

The religion of Islam, holds women, gays etc... as inferior and are intolerant to those that do not practice it. This makes it going in the wrong direction from where society is trying to head.


Now, back to the OP any comments regarding my observations on paranoia???
by "my" standards? Lowing if you don't want to live among devil worshipers then I suggest you get the fuck out of America  because people are at liberty to worship who ever the fuck they want.. As for the piss poor child molestation statement, you're scrapping the barrel there mate for sure. here's the deal.. no one is forcing you to be a devil worshipper, no one is forcing you to be a Muslim, why? because Law prevents it, and it's the law that prevails, whether religious nut jobs like it or not Man's law governs western society, not Gods - freedom & liberty is what it's all about Lowing.. freedom & liberty & the separation of Church & state.   Nothing is going to change that..
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6880|Cambridge, UK

lowing,

Just because people are also paranoid about about 'Big Brother' doesn't stop you still being paranoid about Islam.
and btw I think many are way to paranoid about it

You get worked up over what people/groups just say or the few hideous things that happen in some of the shite spots of the world...
... as apposed to the concern over gun rampages in your own country (or from Europes points of view what happens in the worlds main power/democracy)

The reason you get grief I think is because how you put things, you jump from talking about Islamic radicalism that we all hate, to include all Muslims which is where people think your getting paranoid.... then you accuse people that defend any Muslim as pretty much being terrorist supports etc.


As for being a "fucked up backasswards religion".... I don't really see a lot different in Islam now compared to the Christianity written in the history books...

Both Holy books have parts that do the "love, peace and tolerance" side but both also have parts that have been used to support killing, putting down women and being anti gay etc. I think what the Islamic Extremists are trying to do now is no different to what the Christians did in there history both in Europe and off in the crusades.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

How about there in fantasyland??
Why don't you grow up?

On the one hand you're saying anyone in favour of gun control is paranoid, anyone objecting to the patriot act is paranoid, on the other your generalisations about moslems taking over the world are normal and rational?

Divide and conquer makes more sense than total war, but we've discussed this before.......
Actually, you have missed the point of the OP. Let me esplane:

I did not say gun control advocates are paranoid. I said I am wondering how, after a shooting, you can get on here and spout off about disarming ALL of our law abiding citizens as the solution to making us safe. I am wondering why you think that we are not safe in America because there was a shooting.... This is paranoid.

I am wondering why you think big brother is watching all the time and there is a microphone in your tube of toothpaste, because the Patriot Act makes it easier to track and keep tabs on the enemies of the state. This is paranoid.

Clearly comments like these are over the top and paranoid, dontcha think??
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:


I've made my points clear Lowing.  Saying " Islam is a one fucked up backasswards religion that has no place in western society " is your usual bigoted drivel that you spew all over these forums so stop acting like your nose is put out of joint every time someone calls you a fucking bigot cause that's exactly what you are.  Secondly, by the First amendment, Islam very much  has a place in Western Society along with Satanists, scientologists, people who worship the big green luminous bunny because "Western Society" guarantees freedom of religious expression for all citizens so deal with it..
I guess by your standards, because I do not want to live amonst devil worshippers, I am a bigot. I also do not want to live amonst child molesters so that must make me a hate monger.......So be it, that is a label I am willing to live with.

The religion of Islam, holds women, gays etc... as inferior and are intolerant to those that do not practice it. This makes it going in the wrong direction from where society is trying to head.


Now, back to the OP any comments regarding my observations on paranoia???
by "my" standards? Lowing if you don't want to live among devil worshipers then I suggest you get the fuck out of America  because people are at liberty to worship who ever the fuck they want.. As for the piss poor child molestation statement, you're scrapping the barrel there mate for sure. here's the deal.. no one is forcing you to be a devil worshipper, no one is forcing you to be a Muslim, why? because Law prevents it, and it's the law that prevails, whether religious nut jobs like it or not Man's law governs western society, not Gods - freedom & liberty is what it's all about Lowing.. freedom & liberty & the separation of Church & state.   Nothing is going to change that..
I see, so devil worshippers are free to worship the devil, because this is America, and I am not free to choose to NOT live amonst them. In doing so I am a bigot. Keep in mind that I have never said they are not free to worship who ever they want. I just do not see why I am labeled a bigot or a hate monger for exersising my FREEDOM to have an opinion on it, and NOT want to live around it.

Let me ask you this, would you buy a house next door to a known devil worshipper or a community of devil worshippers?? Ya better say yes, if not you are a bigot............By your standards of course
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6873|The Land of Scott Walker
Lowing has a valid points here gentlemen:

1. An unstable person shooting innocent people does not warrant the extreme step of taking away all means of defense from law abiding citizens.
2. Thinking that the government is eavesdropping on your conversation with your grandma in Idaho because of the Patriot Act requires a tinfoil hat.   
3. Islam governed by Sharia law does not blend with a free society in any way, shape, or form.  They are polar opposites.
4. He has never condemned all Muslims as radical.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

KylieTastic wrote:

lowing,

Just because people are also paranoid about about 'Big Brother' doesn't stop you still being paranoid about Islam.
and btw I think many are way to paranoid about it

You get worked up over what people/groups just say or the few hideous things that happen in some of the shite spots of the world...
... as apposed to the concern over gun rampages in your own country (or from Europes points of view what happens in the worlds main power/democracy)

The reason you get grief I think is because how you put things, you jump from talking about Islamic radicalism that we all hate, to include all Muslims which is where people think your getting paranoid.... then you accuse people that defend any Muslim as pretty much being terrorist supports etc.


As for being a "fucked up backasswards religion".... I don't really see a lot different in Islam now compared to the Christianity written in the history books...

Both Holy books have parts that do the "love, peace and tolerance" side but both also have parts that have been used to support killing, putting down women and being anti gay etc. I think what the Islamic Extremists are trying to do now is no different to what the Christians did in there history both in Europe and off in the crusades.
The fact that you think I am the one who gets worked up is pretty amusing, maybe you should re-read the threads and see who gets worked up. I assure you it ain't me.

I would really love it if you would show me where I have included all Muslims as terrorists, or where I have accused people that defend ordinary Muslims as terrorist supporters. This is how hating little ole' lowing starts

I do not care what happen 1500 years ago....My concerns lie with the here and now....Also I do not compare "both books"..I compare both messengers of God and their teachings.....Muhammad against Jesus.......

You can also bet if the headlines substituted Islam for Christianity, I would be on the same soapbox....
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

Stingray24 wrote:

Lowing has a valid points here gentlemen:

1. An unstable person shooting innocent people does not warrant the extreme step of taking away all means of defense from law abiding citizens.
2. Thinking that the government is eavesdropping on your conversation with your grandma in Idaho because of the Patriot Act requires a tinfoil hat.   
3. Islam governed by Sharia law does not blend with a free society in any way, shape, or form.  They are polar opposites.
4. He has never condemned all Muslims as radical.
Thank you very much, I think I am gunna cry
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7054|Sea to globally-cooled sea
That was a phenomenal post, and I have nothing to add, Lowing.  Excellently said, and I agree 100%.

Islam and Democracy are oil and water.  Ne'er shall the two mix.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

G3|Genius wrote:

That was a phenomenal post, and I have nothing to add, Lowing.  Excellently said, and I agree 100%.

Islam and Democracy are oil and water.  Ne'er shall the two mix.
Ok now I know I am gunna cry............My firends are here
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7171|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:


I guess by your standards, because I do not want to live amonst devil worshippers, I am a bigot. I also do not want to live amonst child molesters so that must make me a hate monger.......So be it, that is a label I am willing to live with.

The religion of Islam, holds women, gays etc... as inferior and are intolerant to those that do not practice it. This makes it going in the wrong direction from where society is trying to head.


Now, back to the OP any comments regarding my observations on paranoia???
by "my" standards? Lowing if you don't want to live among devil worshipers then I suggest you get the fuck out of America  because people are at liberty to worship who ever the fuck they want.. As for the piss poor child molestation statement, you're scrapping the barrel there mate for sure. here's the deal.. no one is forcing you to be a devil worshipper, no one is forcing you to be a Muslim, why? because Law prevents it, and it's the law that prevails, whether religious nut jobs like it or not Man's law governs western society, not Gods - freedom & liberty is what it's all about Lowing.. freedom & liberty & the separation of Church & state.   Nothing is going to change that..
I see, so devil worshippers are free to worship the devil, because this is America, and I am not free to choose to NOT live amonst them. In doing so I am a bigot. Keep in mind that I have never said they are not free to worship who ever they want. I just do not see why I am labeled a bigot or a hate monger for exersising my FREEDOM to have an opinion on it, and NOT want to live around it.

Let me ask you this, would you buy a house next door to a known devil worshipper or a community of devil worshippers?? Ya better say yes, if not you are a bigot............By your standards of course
My next door neighbour can worship who ever the fuck they want Lowing, the big green luminous bunny, or, Satan or the fucking wombles for all I care. I don't give a fuck as long as they are not interfering with my liberty & freedom & the law protects me to insure it. clear?
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6880|Cambridge, UK

lowing wrote:

The fact that you think I am the one who gets worked up is pretty amusing, maybe you should re-read the threads and see who gets worked up. I assure you it ain't me.
I agree many of those arguing against you are also worked up - but the way you phrase things sure sounds like your worked up about the issue.

lowing wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

...you jump from talking about Islamic radicalism that we all hate, to include all Muslims which is where people think your getting paranoid....
...I would really love it if you would show me where I have included all Muslims as terrorists...
I didn't say you included all Muslims as terrorist, I meant you go from being anti the terrorists to being anti Muslim. Which is the same problem I though you had with people going from thinking a single nutter with a gun was bad to wanting to ban all guns etc.

lowing wrote:

Also I do not compare "both books"..I compare both messengers of God and their teachings.....Muhammad against Jesus.....
Well as an Atheist, I though the messages of the two messengers came from the two books? From both Christians and Muslims we are told they are religions of peace, both use there book as a basis for there actions, but both groups have used there books to support hatred and intolerance.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6880|Cambridge, UK

G3|Genius wrote:

That was a phenomenal post, and I have nothing to add, Lowing.  Excellently said, and I agree 100%.

Islam and Democracy are oil and water.  Ne'er shall the two mix.
I think you'll find many that think lowing is a bit paranoid about Islam also agree that "Islam Religion and Democracy are oil and water."

I have no issue with most Muslims or Christians, just keep your religions to yourself and keep it out of politics.

Last edited by KylieTastic (2008-02-16 08:04:33)

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