Yes and no. I think you can't mix any Religion with state or education. It's not Islam, it's any Religion. The problem is most countries where Islam is the official Religion mix Religion with state and education.lowing wrote:
So you are agreeing with me or what?? Do you see a pattern or not?sergeriver wrote:
I told you before, they must separate Religion from state and education. As simple as that.lowing wrote:
Islam prevails in most of the fucked up hot spots in the world.
Whether or not it is the offical govts of these countries I have no idea, but like I said, Islam is a culture and life style just as much as it is a religion. What are your conclusions? I have made mine clear.
...........and for such a peaceful tolerant loving religion, this pattern seems kinda strange.
For a backasswards fucked up religion, this seems to fit...
I dunno guys. I think I am on to something
For a backasswards fucked up religion, this seems to fit...
I dunno guys. I think I am on to something
So you do see a pattern...thank you very much for your honesty.Now, tell me why I should be jumping up and down for joy for wanting this religion/lifestyle in my country??sergeriver wrote:
Yes and no. I think you can't mix any Religion with state or education. It's not Islam, it's any Religion. The problem is most countries where Islam is the official Religion mix Religion with state and education.lowing wrote:
So you are agreeing with me or what?? Do you see a pattern or not?sergeriver wrote:
I told you before, they must separate Religion from state and education. As simple as that.
PS the vatican seems t odo alright. As does mosr countries with a Christian base for values and morals..
So lets us sum up
Christian based countries for the most part prosper
Islamic based countries for the most part are in the tank, unless of course they have western developed oil fields.
I think that is fair, don't you? Which again leads me to believe that I shouldn't be so gung ho about Islamic immigration
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Unless the Muslims you fear so much immigrate via Mexico you should be safelowing wrote:
Nope, I am concerned about letting our freedoms and lack of immigration enforcement making it easier for Muslims who choose to take a radical stand to do so, within our borders. On a social level, I do not want to see burkas and foot washing stations or arabic billboards and shit. This religion/culture does not help move our country or society ahead, i contributes nothing. Just like ine countries from which they came.Varegg wrote:
Seriously lowing, are you afraid of a future Islamic rule in the US ?
PS. I double check for PC.........I am good
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Lol, you shouldn't worry about that. Some day they started building a Mosque 6 blocks from my home. I tell you, this Mosque is in a 4 blocks terrain in the most expensive land of Buenos Aires. The first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was WTF? Then I found out that it was a gift to Saudi Arabia. Then I went WTF? After a few years I can tell you I never saw anyone there except the police for custody. I don't think that a Mosque will make a change. This is a Catholic country, so people won't join Islam just because they have a Mosque there. You shouldn't be afraid of Islam, it's just another Religion. I personally don't give a fuck for that Mosque, except that they gave Saudi Arabia those terrains for nothing.lowing wrote:
So you do see a pattern...thank you very much for your honesty.Now, tell me why I should be jumping up and down for joy for wanting this religion/lifestyle in my country??sergeriver wrote:
Yes and no. I think you can't mix any Religion with state or education. It's not Islam, it's any Religion. The problem is most countries where Islam is the official Religion mix Religion with state and education.lowing wrote:
So you are agreeing with me or what?? Do you see a pattern or not?
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothingVaregg wrote:
Unless the Muslims you fear so much immigrate via Mexico you should be safelowing wrote:
Nope, I am concerned about letting our freedoms and lack of immigration enforcement making it easier for Muslims who choose to take a radical stand to do so, within our borders. On a social level, I do not want to see burkas and foot washing stations or arabic billboards and shit. This religion/culture does not help move our country or society ahead, i contributes nothing. Just like ine countries from which they came.Varegg wrote:
Seriously lowing, are you afraid of a future Islamic rule in the US ?
PS. I double check for PC.........I am good
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And how exactly is it a problem ?lowing wrote:
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothingVaregg wrote:
Unless the Muslims you fear so much immigrate via Mexico you should be safelowing wrote:
Nope, I am concerned about letting our freedoms and lack of immigration enforcement making it easier for Muslims who choose to take a radical stand to do so, within our borders. On a social level, I do not want to see burkas and foot washing stations or arabic billboards and shit. This religion/culture does not help move our country or society ahead, i contributes nothing. Just like ine countries from which they came.
PS. I double check for PC.........I am good
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they can't drive, can't speak english, bring down property values, burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?lowing wrote:
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothingVaregg wrote:
Unless the Muslims you fear so much immigrate via Mexico you should be safe
They can't drive? Lol. Even AT?lowing wrote:
they can't drive, can't speak english, bring down property values, burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?lowing wrote:
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothing
and they do not come here to adapt to US life, they bring Somalia here, and I do not want it or need it.sergeriver wrote:
They can't drive? Lol. Even AT?lowing wrote:
they can't drive, can't speak english, bring down property values, burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?
Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?lowing wrote:
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothingVaregg wrote:
Unless the Muslims you fear so much immigrate via Mexico you should be safe
Should keep them from spreading, so that's a good thing no ?lowing wrote:
they can't drive
You will never speak to any of them either way so how is this a problem ?lowing wrote:
can't speak english.
You are the one that brings down the value seeing as you don't want to buy a house and live next door to one.lowing wrote:
bring down property values.
Give them jobs and what the hey, they suddenly pay taxeslowing wrote:
burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.
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can i just mention that the google ads for this page was for a muslim dating service?
anywya, I think the dutch/danish/whatever are doign the roght hing by refusing to go to rian and refusing to ban the flim.
anywya, I think the dutch/danish/whatever are doign the roght hing by refusing to go to rian and refusing to ban the flim.
Then there is reality....Varegg wrote:
Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?lowing wrote:
I already have a problem, Somalians are taking over in Columbus Ohio as well as Minneapolis MN. I do not want Islamic influence in my country. It is counter productive and contributes nothingShould keep them from spreading, so that's a good thing no ?lowing wrote:
they can't driveYou will never speak to any of them either way so how is this a problem ?lowing wrote:
can't speak english.You are the one that brings down the value seeing as you don't want to buy a house and live next door to one.lowing wrote:
bring down property values.Give them jobs and what the hey, they suddenly pay taxeslowing wrote:
burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.
How about they go back to where they came from and do the everything you suggest? They do not assimilate into our society and do not care to.
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?lowing wrote:
Then there is reality....Varegg wrote:
Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?Should keep them from spreading, so that's a good thing no ?lowing wrote:
they can't driveYou will never speak to any of them either way so how is this a problem ?lowing wrote:
can't speak english.You are the one that brings down the value seeing as you don't want to buy a house and live next door to one.lowing wrote:
bring down property values.Give them jobs and what the hey, they suddenly pay taxeslowing wrote:
burdon social services, just like the mexican immigrants.
How about they go back to where they came from and do the everything you suggest? They do not assimilate into our society and do not care to.
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Immigration 100 years ago is different that immigration today..100 years ago people came from Europe to actually build a life and a dream through hard work and dedication. The first order of business for these immigrants was to learn their new country's language and become citizens and start contributing. The immigrants of today only seek to exploit the US, not contribute to it or become a citizen of it. They seek to exploit our social services and immigration loop holes that were established with the understanding that people came here to be Americans.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?lowing wrote:
Then there is reality....Varegg wrote:
Varegg wrote:
And how exactly is it a problem ?Should keep them from spreading, so that's a good thing no ?lowing wrote:
they can't drive
You will never speak to any of them either way so how is this a problem ?
You are the one that brings down the value seeing as you don't want to buy a house and live next door to one.
Give them jobs and what the hey, they suddenly pay taxes
How about they go back to where they came from and do the everything you suggest? They do not assimilate into our society and do not care to.
Do not give me that racist, bigot shit. I am neither. I do not want anyone that seek to come here and exploit us rather than assimilate into our society.
You also mention GIVING them a job.......How about they EARN a job, like the rest of us?
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Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
He knows I am right, PC is choking him to death.SenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
We have all kinds of immigrants in Norway and we try our best to give them a chance of being useful citizens rather than being a burden - i believe no immigrant willingly becomes a burden of choice ... or ?SenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
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Seriously lowing, you draw some unbelievably dumb conclusions sometimes ...lowing wrote:
He knows I am right, PC is choking him to death.SenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
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Like saying that Somalians are the wrong color?Varegg wrote:
you draw some unbelievably dumb conclusions sometimes ...
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They have that chance in the US also.Varegg wrote:
We have all kinds of immigrants in Norway and we try our best to give them a chance of being useful citizens rather than being a burden - i believe no immigrant willingly becomes a burden of choice ... or ?
So you really didn't address my question. What if Somalians moved to Norway and refused to learn the language and placed a burden on your social services, while contributing very little. Would you be completely OK with that? I seriously doubt it.
Ummmm, I am pretty sure the US gives ample opportunity to become useful citizens, how does that saying go? You can lead a horse t owater but you can't make him drink.....Yeah, that comes to mindVaregg wrote:
We have all kinds of immigrants in Norway and we try our best to give them a chance of being useful citizens rather than being a burden - i believe no immigrant willingly becomes a burden of choice ... or ?SenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.Varegg wrote:
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
I like to refer to my conclusions as honest, with no added sugarVaregg wrote:
Seriously lowing, you draw some unbelievably dumb conclusions sometimes ...lowing wrote:
He knows I am right, PC is choking him to death.SenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, would you want Somalians to immigrate to Norway, burdening its social services, not learning the language, etc...? Skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the attitude that is unacceptable.
oops! hard to deny that oneSenorToenails wrote:
Like saying that Somalians are the wrong color?Varegg wrote:
you draw some unbelievably dumb conclusions sometimes ...
That was implyed in lowings statement not mine, i don't think less of people based on color, race nor religion.SenorToenails wrote:
Like saying that Somalians are the wrong color?Varegg wrote:
you draw some unbelievably dumb conclusions sometimes ...
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