What did lowing say that implied racism? Never once have I seen lowing say anything like that.Varegg wrote:
That was implyed in lowings statement not mine, i don't think less of people based on color, race nor religion.
I did address it but i can spell it out if you like.SenorToenails wrote:
They have that chance in the US also.Varegg wrote:
We have all kinds of immigrants in Norway and we try our best to give them a chance of being useful citizens rather than being a burden - i believe no immigrant willingly becomes a burden of choice ... or ?
So you really didn't address my question. What if Somalians moved to Norway and refused to learn the language and placed a burden on your social services, while contributing very little. Would you be completely OK with that? I seriously doubt it.
If a Somalian moved to Norway and refused to learn the language and wanted to exploit the system he would be sent back.
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Then you better start rereading all his Islam threads.SenorToenails wrote:
What did lowing say that implied racism? Never once have I seen lowing say anything like that.Varegg wrote:
That was implyed in lowings statement not mine, i don't think less of people based on color, race nor religion.
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In other words, that attitude is not tolerated. OK.Varegg wrote:
I did address it but i can spell it out if you like.
If a Somalian moved to Norway and refused to learn the language and wanted to exploit the system he would be sent back.
I have. I still don't think lowing is racist, and I'm not sure how you can draw the conclusion that he is. But OK. Your beliefs are yours.Varegg wrote:
Then you better start rereading all his Islam threads.
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?SenorToenails wrote:
I have. I still don't think lowing is racist, and I'm not sure how you can draw the conclusion that he is. But OK. Your beliefs are yours.Varegg wrote:
Then you better start rereading all his Islam threads.
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Islam is not a race. It is a religion. I don't recall any of lowing's comments being specific to Arab people.Varegg wrote:
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?SenorToenails wrote:
I have. I still don't think lowing is racist, and I'm not sure how you can draw the conclusion that he is. But OK. Your beliefs are yours.Varegg wrote:
Then you better start rereading all his Islam threads.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Holding all people to the same standard is not racist. There are many backwards elements to Islamic culture.Varegg wrote:
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?
That, and this:
FEOS wrote:
Islam is not a race. It is a religion. I don't recall any of lowing's comments being specific to Arab people.
Read it again both of you ... i didn't state Islam was a race, keep your facts straight ...SenorToenails wrote:
Holding all people to the same standard is not racist. There are many backwards elements to Islamic culture.Varegg wrote:
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?
That, and this:FEOS wrote:
Islam is not a race. It is a religion. I don't recall any of lowing's comments being specific to Arab people.
He generalize, he degrades and mocks both the race and the religion in numerous threads daily ... what do you call that ?
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Varegg, I suggest you keep your facts straight. You called him a racist, claiming that he had said racist things in this thread, and apparently others. Islam is not a race, just like how Catholic is not a race either. Now you claim that he "degrades and mocks both the race and religion". I think you don't understand what racism is, and you try to hide it behind thinly veiled condescension.Varegg wrote:
Read it again both of you ... i didn't state Islam was a race, keep your facts straight ...
He generalize, he degrades and mocks both the race and the religion in numerous threads daily ... what do you call that ?
Oh jesus.Varegg wrote:
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?SenorToenails wrote:
I have. I still don't think lowing is racist, and I'm not sure how you can draw the conclusion that he is. But OK. Your beliefs are yours.Varegg wrote:
Then you better start rereading all his Islam threads.
Islam sucks ok. Does that make me racist?
racistusmarine wrote:
Oh jesus.Varegg wrote:
He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?SenorToenails wrote:
I have. I still don't think lowing is racist, and I'm not sure how you can draw the conclusion that he is. But OK. Your beliefs are yours.
Islam sucks ok. Does that make me racist?
islam is a race?
mexicanGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
islam is a race?
those brown pplusmarine wrote:
mexicanGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
islam is a race?
I think its funny how a lot of atheists defend islam a lot stronger than they would defend christianity.
Because they are oppressed underdogs. Duh.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I think its funny how a lot of atheists defend islam a lot stronger than they would defend christianity.
sounds more like a bandwagon to me.
SenorToenails, has nailed right on the head.
I hold everyone to equal standards. I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results.
I do not believe in reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. I think white people can be discriminated against just as well as any other minority group. If the standard is not met then the standard is not met. There should be no such thing as different standards for different people.
I believe there are double standards in society regarding race. I have posted as such.
I believe if you come to our country from a fucked up country, I will thank you not to bring the ideals and attitudes that fucked your country up to mine.
If, as an American I go to another country, I will conform to the standards and society of that country. Is it racist to expect the same in return?
I believe you should seek citizenship in your new country and adapt to your new society without expecting your host country to accommodate you in any way.
I do not believe in special treatment for special interest groups.
As a matter of fact, I think my attitude is the least racial or bigoted attitude I know. Any thing more or less than this would lean toward favoritism in one direction or another.
I defy you to show me in any of my posts from the past year and half that goes against these basic opinions of mine. If I post racial shit daily as you insist, it should be pretty easy to do.
I hold everyone to equal standards. I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results.
I do not believe in reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. I think white people can be discriminated against just as well as any other minority group. If the standard is not met then the standard is not met. There should be no such thing as different standards for different people.
I believe there are double standards in society regarding race. I have posted as such.
I believe if you come to our country from a fucked up country, I will thank you not to bring the ideals and attitudes that fucked your country up to mine.
If, as an American I go to another country, I will conform to the standards and society of that country. Is it racist to expect the same in return?
I believe you should seek citizenship in your new country and adapt to your new society without expecting your host country to accommodate you in any way.
I do not believe in special treatment for special interest groups.
As a matter of fact, I think my attitude is the least racial or bigoted attitude I know. Any thing more or less than this would lean toward favoritism in one direction or another.
I defy you to show me in any of my posts from the past year and half that goes against these basic opinions of mine. If I post racial shit daily as you insist, it should be pretty easy to do.
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Legal definition of racismSenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, I suggest you keep your facts straight. You called him a racist, claiming that he had said racist things in this thread, and apparently others. Islam is not a race, just like how Catholic is not a race either. Now you claim that he "degrades and mocks both the race and religion". I think you don't understand what racism is, and you try to hide it behind thinly veiled condescension.Varegg wrote:
Read it again both of you ... i didn't state Islam was a race, keep your facts straight ...
He generalize, he degrades and mocks both the race and the religion in numerous threads daily ... what do you call that ?
According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." [1] This definition does not make any difference between prosecutions based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the ethnicity and race remains debatable among anthropologists[2] According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"
Yes, i still firmly believe lowing fits in the desciption imo, he degrades several races based on their religion.
And you clearly didn't read my last posts if you think i don't know the difference between a race and a religion.
I'm no atheist and i defend anyones freedom to practice the religion of their choice.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I think its funny how a lot of atheists defend islam a lot stronger than they would defend christianity.
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good for you.
You know Varegg, I did read your posts.Varegg wrote:
Yes, i still firmly believe lowing fits in the desciption imo, he degrades several races based on their religion.
And you clearly didn't read my last posts if you think i don't know the difference between a race and a religion.
Speaking of reality, you and your kin are the ones that hamper them from living the American dream where everything is possible ... that is if you don't have the wrong skincolor. What would the US look like today if you didn't have immigration lowing ?
That was implyed in lowings statement not mine, i don't think less of people based on color, race nor religion.
lowing didn't degrade a race of people. Yet you insist that he did. Maybe you ought to reread these posts. But I can spell it out for you, if you like.He degrades an entire race and religion based on the actions of an minority, how is that not racism ?
According to you, this implies racism?
I don't see any racism there. Where is the any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life? lowing said "Don't want to contribute? Don't stay". How is that any different from Norway's immigration laws?lowing wrote:
Then there is reality....
How about they go back to where they came from and do the everything you suggest? They do not assimilate into our society and do not care to.
Remember?
I guess Norway must be racist, eh? Get real.Varegg wrote:
If a Somalian moved to Norway and refused to learn the language and wanted to exploit the system he would be sent back.
your hypocrisy is staggering Lowing, in other threads you Spew shite like Islam has no place in "western society" or in America and that you're basically a "Christian" country. yet this is completely against the law of the country in which you live!! completely an utterly against the Law's which govern your life mate. You would refuse to live in a black/Hispanic/whatever community for no other reason other than your own prejudices, & than try to say you're the least bigoted person you know.. total LUZ..lowing wrote:
SenorToenails, has nailed right on the head.
I hold everyone to equal standards. I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results.
I do not believe in reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. I think white people can be discriminated against just as well as any other minority group. If the standard is not met then the standard is not met. There should be no such thing as different standards for different people.
I believe there are double standards in society regarding race. I have posted as such.
I believe if you come to our country from a fucked up country, I will thank you not to bring the ideals and attitudes that fucked your country up to mine.
If, as an American I go to another country, I will conform to the standards and society of that country. Is it racist to expect the same in return?
I believe you should seek citizenship in your new country and adapt to your new society without expecting your host country to accommodate you in any way.
I do not believe in special treatment for special interest groups.
As a matter of fact, I think my attitude is the least racial or bigoted attitude I know. Any thing more or less than this would lean toward favoritism in one direction or another..
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If by me choosing to live with people I have the most in common with, then I suppose everyone in Little Italy, Little Korea, Chinatown, Little Greece, Harlem, or any other racially distinct community is EQUALLY as racist or bigoted as I. Pretty much the whole world then I guessIG-Calibre wrote:
your hypocrisy is staggering Lowing, in other threads you Spew shite like Islam has no place in western society or in America and that it's a "Christian" country. yet this is completely against the law of the country in which you live which is completely an utterly against the Law's which govern your life mate. You would refuse to live in a community of black/Hispanic/whatever community for no other reason than your own prejudices, & than try to say you're the least bigoted person you know.. total LUZ..lowing wrote:
SenorToenails, has nailed right on the head.
I hold everyone to equal standards. I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results.
I do not believe in reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. I think white people can be discriminated against just as well as any other minority group. If the standard is not met then the standard is not met. There should be no such thing as different standards for different people.
I believe there are double standards in society regarding race. I have posted as such.
I believe if you come to our country from a fucked up country, I will thank you not to bring the ideals and attitudes that fucked your country up to mine.
If, as an American I go to another country, I will conform to the standards and society of that country. Is it racist to expect the same in return?
I believe you should seek citizenship in your new country and adapt to your new society without expecting your host country to accommodate you in any way.
I do not believe in special treatment for special interest groups.
As a matter of fact, I think my attitude is the least racial or bigoted attitude I know. Any thing more or less than this would lean toward favoritism in one direction or another..
I defy you to show me in any of my posts from the past year and half that goes against these basic opinions of mine. If I post racial shit daily as you insist, it should be pretty easy to do
Also, you can adopt Christian based morality and values, as I have, and not be a Christian. I feel I am not being a hypocrite because I believe in equality, and Isalm clearly does not. If you wanna go out on a limb and say I am bigoted and racist, because I do not want the intolerance and religious predjudices that Islam brings to the table, there is nothing I can do about it. Safe to say that it is uttery rediculous to say I am intolerant because I do not entertain an intolerant culture or religion that clearly goes against equality for all.
Can someone highlight in the definition Varegg provided where it says religion is counted as a race?Varegg wrote:
Legal definition of racismSenorToenails wrote:
Varegg, I suggest you keep your facts straight. You called him a racist, claiming that he had said racist things in this thread, and apparently others. Islam is not a race, just like how Catholic is not a race either. Now you claim that he "degrades and mocks both the race and religion". I think you don't understand what racism is, and you try to hide it behind thinly veiled condescension.Varegg wrote:
Read it again both of you ... i didn't state Islam was a race, keep your facts straight ...
He generalize, he degrades and mocks both the race and the religion in numerous threads daily ... what do you call that ?
According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." [1] This definition does not make any difference between prosecutions based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the ethnicity and race remains debatable among anthropologists[2] According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"
I'll go ahead and highlight a statement which kind of hammers home my and SenorToenails' point:
He makes comments about a religion whose followers consist of people of every broad racial category on the planet. So explain again how an anti-Islam statement is racist, please.Varegg wrote:
Yes, i still firmly believe lowing fits in the desciption imo, he degrades several races based on their religion.
And you clearly didn't read my last posts if you think i don't know the difference between a race and a religion.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular