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SenorToenails wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Yes indeed, Norway like any other western country or state is racist in many ways.

The rest of your post is really a semantics discussion. I have my opinion and you have yours - lets leave it at that or we'll have a 30 page discussion about a phrase we both perfectly well knows the meaning of.

I guess pointing out an absurdity in your logic gets nowhere.  The point is, saying that immigrants should contribute or leave is not racist.  It is not a semantics debate.

Varegg wrote:

I wouldn't call an anti-Islamic statement racist and i never have.

What i call racist really shines kinda bright in just that highlighted statement, he makes comments about an religion in a way that underlying calls the people practicing the religion lesser beings.

So insulting a mixed group of people that has no particular ethnicity is racist to all those groups inside?  That's such a faulty statement that it's almost funny.

You twist and turn everything i say and i do the same to your posts and it gets us nowhere aka it is only a debate over what parts of my posts you chose to respond to and vice versa ...

This is exactly why DST has lost its purpose, we are not discussing the issue but rather the wording chosen ... this is not a debate but a flamewar and the only discussion board i've been to where people act this way

Varegg wrote:

You twist and turn everything i say and i do the same to your posts and it gets us nowhere aka it is only a debate over what parts of my posts you chose to respond to and vice versa ...

This is exactly why DST has lost its purpose, we are not discussing the issue but rather the wording chosen ... this is not a debate but a flamewar and the only discussion board i've been to where people act this way

Varegg, those were the only relevant posts you made regarding the "lowing is a racist" discussion.  I have NOT twisted and turned things around to mean something else.  I am debating over what you have said.  Maybe you meant to say something else.  But you didn't.  You take way too many inferences on what people say.  And in past discussions with you, I have found that you actually twist words around pretty often.  So don't get bitchy at me about "semantics" and "wording".

The irony is that you complain that this is a "flamewar".  But you started it.  Nice going.  Do you act this way on your other message boards too?

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Varegg wrote:

and the only discussion board i've been to where people act this way

dude...............what?

Retalliation threads, disecting eachothers posts, bashing the poster and not the message and meaningless one liners ... DST is down the drain and is rapidly falling deeper for each day ... sad to see cause it used to be good.

I have no problem with it.

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Varegg wrote:

and the only discussion board i've been to where people act this way

dude...............what?

Retalliation threads, disecting eachothers posts, bashing the poster and not the message and meaningless one liners ... DST is down the drain and is rapidly falling deeper for each day ... sad to see cause it used to be good.

Isn't dissection of arguments the very foundation of debate? Isn't this Debate and Serious Talk?

FEOS wrote:

Varegg wrote:

usmarine wrote:

dude...............what?

Retalliation threads, disecting eachothers posts, bashing the poster and not the message and meaningless one liners ... DST is down the drain and is rapidly falling deeper for each day ... sad to see cause it used to be good.

Isn't dissection of arguments the very foundation of debate? Isn't this Debate and Serious Talk?

So it is, but as a base of such a dissection the goal is to debate the issue at hand aka the OP witch is not the case in the argument i have with Senor but rather a dissection of words concerning lowing witch really doesn't have anything to do with OP.

I called lowing a racist and backed up my thoughts about why i believe he is just that and then Senor interferes when i bet lowing is quite able to defend himself if he sees the need to.

At the rate we are going now we will fill this thread with another semantics debate rather than discussing the topic at hand and that is imho a weakness of DST as it has become lately witch i don't find in another message board equal to this one.

And as mentioned earlier by me and others, it's not always as easy to debate and find the correct words and sentences when not having English as ones native language - that is seldom considered when answering a post ...

I don't think Marine or Lowing are racists if you read the meaning of racism.  They have great prejudice against Muslims.  You call it whatever you want.  Islamophobes maybe, who cares?  They don't like Muslims because they wrongly think that the radicals represent the moderate ones since the moderate ones don't speak out the radicals.  Nevertheless, I can understand people being afraid of this Religion, because all we get to see about it relates to violence and hatred.  But that's what we see.  Peaceful people praying don't sell newspapers or raise TV ratings.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-02-19 02:29:18)

FEOS wrote:

erm...we're actually talking about lowing, serge.

Oops.  Ok.  Fixed.

Actually, does not liking a group automatically make you racist or predjudice? I do not like Islam because it teaches violence and intolerance and is practiced as such throughout the world. This is a fact not an opinion. Lowing is Racist/ predjudice.


How come I have never been called that for speaking out against the Nazis? Is it because in this case you simply agree so therefore I am not labeled negatively? Further evidence that in DST all you need is a liberal to disagree with you to automatically be labeled a racist/bigot/ predjudice. Oh well just an observation.

So, Varegg is a mod now, whatever that means. It sounds pretty important though, so I will ask you to check your personal opinions of me at the door from now on, I would hate to have to report you, to you.

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually, does not liking a group automatically make you racist or predjudice? I do not like Islam because it teaches violence and intolerance and is practiced as such throughout the world. This is a fact not an opinion. Lowing is Racist/ predjudice.


How come I have never been called that for speaking out against the Nazis? Is it because in this case you simply agree so therefore I am not labeled negatively? Further evidence that in DST all you need is a liberal to disagree with you to automatically be labeled a racist/bigot/ predjudice. Oh well just an observation.

So, Varegg is a mod now, whatever that means. It sounds pretty important though, so I will ask you to check your personal opinions of me at the door from now on, I would hate to have to report you, to you.

Really? as far as I know Lowing it's practiced like that in the caves of the ME.. I certainly havent heard of it  practiced like that here in Ireland's Muslim population, I don't see any reports  on the news of the Millions of Muslims in America practicing it thus.. this is part of your prejudice.. but carry on talking nonsense..

Only in caves huh?? lol

lowing wrote:

Actually, does not liking a group automatically make you racist or predjudice? I do not like Islam because it teaches violence and intolerance and is practiced as such throughout the world. This is a fact not an opinion. Lowing is Racist/ predjudice.

Not liking a group doesn't make you a racist, your views of Islam is just ignorant but you do have underlying racist remarks in very many of your posts about those that practice Islam, maybe not intentional but they are there.

lowing wrote:

How come I have never been called that for speaking out against the Nazis? Is it because in this case you simply agree so therefore I am not labeled negatively? Further evidence that in DST all you need is a liberal to disagree with you to automatically be labeled a racist/bigot/ predjudice. Oh well just an observation.

I have never discussed Nazis with you ... besides Nazism is neither a race nor is it a religion.

lowing wrote:

So, Varegg is a mod now, whatever that means. It sounds pretty important though, so I will ask you to check your personal opinions of me at the door from now on, I would hate to have to report you, to you.

Yes i am but only a temporary one working on the asignment you can read more about if you follow the link in my sig, with that said it is only a title and it doesn't change my opinions in any ways, it does constitute a different choice of words perhaps but is in no way a hinder for anyone to report a post i made or your abilities to complain about me towards another moderator or admin.

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually, does not liking a group automatically make you racist or predjudice? I do not like Islam because it teaches violence and intolerance and is practiced as such throughout the world. This is a fact not an opinion. Lowing is Racist/ predjudice.

Not liking a group doesn't make you a racist, your views of Islam is just ignorant but you do have underlying racist remarks in very many of your posts about those that practice Islam, maybe not intentional but they are there.

lowing wrote:

How come I have never been called that for speaking out against the Nazis? Is it because in this case you simply agree so therefore I am not labeled negatively? Further evidence that in DST all you need is a liberal to disagree with you to automatically be labeled a racist/bigot/ predjudice. Oh well just an observation.

I have never discussed Nazis with you ... besides Nazism is neither a race nor is it a religion.

lowing wrote:

So, Varegg is a mod now, whatever that means. It sounds pretty important though, so I will ask you to check your personal opinions of me at the door from now on, I would hate to have to report you, to you.

Yes i am but only a temporary one working on the asignment you can read more about if you follow the link in my sig, with that said it is only a title and it doesn't change my opinions in any ways, it does constitute a different choice of words perhaps but is in no way a hinder for anyone to report a post i made or your abilities to complain about me towards another moderator or admin.

1. I base my opinions on the actions of radical Islam and the lack of action on moderaste Islam....All I hear is how helpless moderates are in dealing with radicals, yet seem pretty vigelent in dealing with important shit like cartoons. Hence my opinions

2. I view Islam as more than just a religion, it is an entire culture and life style. It is this aspect that I more requently post against. Intolerance to women and gays, for example.

3. Neh I was being a smart ass. If I actually cared enough to report personal attacks and shit on here there would be no one left.

lowing wrote:

Actually, does not liking a group automatically make you racist or predjudice? .

er... yes... actually it does Lowing to answer your question. Specially if the dislike is based on nothing other than your own baseless perceived prejudice. sorry for cherry picking old bean.. carry on..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-02-19 05:01:38)

SenorToenails wrote:

Varegg wrote:

So it is, but as a base of such a dissection the goal is to debate the issue at hand aka the OP witch is not the case in the argument i have with Senor but rather a dissection of words concerning lowing witch really doesn't have anything to do with OP.

I called lowing a racist and backed up my thoughts about why i believe he is just that and then Senor interferes when i bet lowing is quite able to defend himself if he sees the need to.

You didn't back up anything.  Unless you consider "I suggest you read his Islam threads" etc. to be proof (which it isn't), you didn't support that statement at all.  I jumped into this argument because you thought to accuse someone of being racist with no cause.  It does not matter at all if you think that lowing should have taken issue with that statement on his own.

There is no benefit for anyone to continue this discussion. You have made your point several times, now curb your anger towards me and just let it go ...