BF2S Forums How can we end this once and for all?

None of the above.

none of the above.

If there was a "Secretly investigate extremist muslims and kill them." option, I would have chose it

Time is the only thing that will end Islamic Extremism.  The only thing we can do for now is try to subdue it, it's impossible to destroy it all together.

If you look at extremism throughout the ages of man, even Christianity had its time, as a religion matures extremism fades out.

One of the best ways is to see if we're doing anything to encourage radical Islam, and if we find that we are, to stop doing it if possible.

The only way to end terrorism is to remove the dependency of oil from the ME. In doing so we will no longer need the ME for anything and can then, tighten the sanction noose around all state sponsored terrorism countries until they have no choice but to police thenselves and "play ball"

In essence we gotta put the ME in a position that it is obvious they need us more than we need them.

This worked for Libya.

See folks, no "nuke then all" no "round them up and gas them".....etc......

Is this a joke?  None of the above.

Option 6: Improve the living circumstances and try to give everyone proper education, round up the people posing as old wise men trying to persuade people to follow their radical causes. Basically, give mr. average middle-easterner something better to do than blowing shit up.

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Option 6: Improve the living circumstances and try to give everyone proper education, round up the people posing as old wise men trying to persuade people to follow their radical causes. Basically, give mr. average middle-easterner something better to do than blowing shit up.

nope can't do that, that would be the west shoving our way of life down their throats, no good. We need to have them want to seek relations with us instead of us needing them...period

Generally making sure everyone can get education is nowhere near shoving the western way of life down their throat. It gives them more insight to the situation they are in, which is a good thing. Also, it could improve relations with the countries seeing as the average person will be more knowledgeable of the world around him.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-02-17 06:02:26)

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

lowing wrote:

nope can't do that, that would be the west shoving our way of life down their throats, no good. We need to have them want to seek relations with us instead of us needing them...period

Generally making sure everyone can get education is nowhere near shoving the western way of life down their throat. It gives them more insight to the situation they are in, which is a good thing. Also, it could improve relations with the countries seeing as the average person will be more knowledgeable of the world around him.

Do you plan on giving insight ( educating) as to the situation they are in as WE ( the west ) sees it or the way the extremists see it?
You can call it what ya want or try as ya might, it is still influencing them and shoving our values down their throats. This is no good especially when their will always be a group around hindering these "re-education" efforts...We need to leave them alone and let them do what they will within their own borders....When they are done, and need us then they can ask. meanwhile, the west will be driving around in our hover cars utilizing the new flux capacitor fueling system and shit, while they just discovered the horseless carriage.

No, I don't want our western visions in them, and neither the radical ones. I want the people there to feel like where they come from. Education is supporting them to get their own identities. Teach them history, maths, biology basically anything that is usually taught at our schools, but adopted to their cultures (meaning, at history they won't get ours dominantly, but theirs.) This improves the insight of an individual on his own situation, and outlook on the other major parts of the world as the western one. Make sure every kid there gets the ability to go to school as every person has the right to get education. Mainly educated people aren't as easily convinced of radical ideas as the uneducated person is, with not such good living circumstances.

If we leave them to do whatever they want, it'll get worse than it is already. Think about it what will happen if we massively pull out of the ME. Probably Taliban will regain control in the region, and the first thing they'd wish to do is get back at Europe & the US. Leaving is no option at this point in time. You can only leave once you know for certain the countries there can support themselves and protect their children from radical influence, or even more so dictators at the top.

And education usually forms the base for a stable country.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-02-17 06:31:02)

dayarath wrote:

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Generally making sure everyone can get education is nowhere near shoving the western way of life down their throat. It gives them more insight to the situation they are in, which is a good thing. Also, it could improve relations with the countries seeing as the average person will be more knowledgeable of the world around him.

Do you plan on giving insight ( educating) as to the situation they are in as WE ( the west ) sees it or the way the extremists see it?
You can call it what ya want or try as ya might, it is still influencing them and shoving our values down their throats. This is no good especially when their will always be a group around hindering these "re-education" efforts...We need to leave them alone and let them do what they will within their own borders....When they are done, and need us then they can ask. meanwhile, the west will be driving around in our hover cars utilizing the new flux capacitor fueling system and shit, while they just discovered the horseless carriage.

No, I don't want our western visions in them, and neither the radical ones. I want the people there to feel like where they come from. Education is supporting them to get their own identities. Teach them history, maths, biology basically anything that is usually taught at our schools, but adopted to their cultures (meaning, at history they won't get ours dominantly, but theirs.) This improves the insight of an individual on his own situation, and outlook on the other major parts of the world as the western one. Make sure every kid there gets the ability to go to school as every person has the right to get education. Mainly educated people aren't as easily convinced of radical ideas as the uneducated person is, with not such good living circumstances.

If we leave them to do whatever they want, it'll get worse than it is already. Think about it what will happen if we massively pull out of the ME. Probably Taliban will regain control in the region, and the first thing they'd wish to do is get back at Europe & the US. Leaving is no option at this point in time. You can only leave once you know for certain the countries there can support themselves and protect their children from radical influence, or even more so dictators at the top.

And education usually forms the base for a stable country.

Education can and will only be dispensed from the viewpoint of the educator. It is unavoidable

Iowing wrote:

Education can and will only be dispensed from the viewpoint of the educator. It is unavoidable

It's hard to determine that, most if not all teachers I've had till now have been educated themselves to bring their teachings in a neutral light, letting the student figure out themselves what they agree with. Also subjects matter, it's hard to be neutral in subjects like philosophy or political learnings. Though the ways of the teacher will always matter, I agree. It's also better to let original inhabitants of a certain region or country teach instead of a westerner.