so hes a good dictator, ok, gotcha.JahManRed wrote:
I hope he has a nice retirement. He has dedicated himself to Cuba and her people and done what he thinks is in their best interest. Some of it I don't agree with some I do.
There is such a thing.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so hes a good dictator, ok, gotcha.JahManRed wrote:
I hope he has a nice retirement. He has dedicated himself to Cuba and her people and done what he thinks is in their best interest. Some of it I don't agree with some I do.
not to mejord wrote:
There is such a thing.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so hes a good dictator, ok, gotcha.JahManRed wrote:
I hope he has a nice retirement. He has dedicated himself to Cuba and her people and done what he thinks is in their best interest. Some of it I don't agree with some I do.
George was giving hell no doubt. I still chuckle when I think of him ripping the pish outta that SKY News PresenterKILLSWITCH wrote:
Oh god, George Galloway is on ITV right now, can't wait to see him lose his rag again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw
and the US Senate committee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
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You gotta respect him, you know aside from the countless human rights violations...lol.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
not to mejord wrote:
There is such a thing.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so hes a good dictator, ok, gotcha.
White House hopefuls on Castro's resignation
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 … signation/
(CNN) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Tuesday the resignation of Cuban President Fidel Castro should "mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history."
In a written statement, the senator from Illinois added:
"Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba. Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime.
"The prompt release of all prisoners of conscience wrongly jailed for standing up for the basic freedoms too long denied to the Cuban people would mark an important break with the past. It's time for these heroes to be released.
"If the Cuban leadership begins opening Cuba to meaningful democratic change, the United States must be prepared to begin taking steps to normalize relations and to ease the embargo of the last five decades. The freedom of the Cuban people is a cause that should bring the Americans together."
John McCain, R-Ariz., also issued a written reaction to the media.
"Today's resignation of Fidel Castro is nearly half a century overdue. For decades, Castro oversaw an apparatus of repression that denied liberty to the people who suffered under his dictatorship.
"Yet freedom for the Cuban people is not yet at hand, and the Castro brothers clearly intend to maintain their grip on power. That is why we must press the Cuban regime to release all political prisoners unconditionally, to legalize all political parties, labor unions and free media, and to schedule internationally monitored elections.
"Cuba's transition to democracy is inevitable; it is a matter of when — not if. With the resignation of Fidel Castro, the Cuban people have an opportunity to move forward and continue pushing for the moment that they will truly be free. America can and should help hasten the sparking of freedom in Cuba. The Cuban people have waited long enough."
Democrat Hillary Clinton also welcomed the news that Castro is stepping down.
She told an economic roundtable: I just want to say a word about a development today that is very significant. Fidel Castro has decided to step down as the leader of Cuba.
"And I think this provides a great opportunity for the people of Cuba. I am hoping that the new leadership will take steps to move Cuba toward democracy — release political prisoners — lift a lot of the oppresive burdens that have prevented the Cuban people from really having the kind of future they deserve to have.
"Certainly the people of the United States would meet a new government to talk about what needs to happen if that new government takes some action that demonstrates they are willing to change. So, we are hoping that we see some evidence of that.
"It is a very stark reminder that even if you have been in power for 50 years — you cannot hold onto power forever, and the people of Cuba deserve to have leadership that respects their human rights and gives them the opportunity to you know fulfill their own destiny.
"And we need a president who will work with countries around the world in Europe and the Western Hemisphere to push Cuba now to join the community of nations and to become a democracy. And I will certainly do that as president."
Former Arkansas governor and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a statement that "The Cuban people deserve nothing less than free and fair elections which would provide the only hope for a prosperous and democratic Cuba.
"Until Fidel Castro is dead, there can be no significant movement towards reform in Cuba. Raul Castro has proven that he's as much a tyrant and dictator as his brother Fidel. Simply providing more power to another dictator does nothing to promote freedom and democracy to the Cuban people."
Xbone Stormsurgezz
There is a marked difference between Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro GS, as you probably realise. Kim Jong Il is an egocentric narcissistic personality cult propagator who cares only for himself. Disagree with his methods or not (many of which I do disagree with), Fidel has always had the best interests of the Cuban people at heart (although one person dictating what that should be is horribly flawed) and is not egocentric - he's just genuinely popular. In 1959 Cuban people had every right to feel aggrieved by American political interference and economic imperialism in their country. Their anger was further justified when the US tried to undermine their highly popular revolution with the Bay of Pigs invasion (effectively driving them into the hands of the Soviets for protection, something which caused Guevara to lose heart and leave Cuba as he saw the USSR as every bit as ruthlessly self interested, expansionist and exploitative as the US).GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
People should not be pro-Castro simply because he was 'anti-American' (or more accurately - pro-Cuban and pro-Latin America in his own mind) - that is pretty lame. One should recognise his flaws: a misguided embrace of the USSR, the suppression of free speech and travel, etc. But one should not dismiss praise for the genuinely honourable social and military achievements of Castro. Nothing honourable as far as I can see can be attributed to Mr. Jong Il - they aren't even in the same ballpark, hell it isn't even the same sport.
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Divide and conquer. Very effective.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Well...he did do a bang up job singing "I'm so ronery"...so he has that going for him.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
Blasphemy!!!! I call for a jihad against serge for the ultimate disrespect of the Christian faith.....oh wait wrong religion. Anyways, he died three days before Easter.sergeriver wrote:
Isn't Easter the death and resurrection of Jesus? Whatever. They will announce it around Easter.Kmarion wrote:
Jesus died the Friday before silly.sergeriver wrote:
I bet they will announce his death on Easter, like Jesus.
Maybe they can release all the political prisoners now? Also, will this cut down on raft traffic between Cuba and Miami?
I understand that well. I find though that people seem to act as if Castro was the best thing since lee harvey oswald. I mean, people forget that Cuba likes to go on military adventures far from its border. Supporting other countries insurgencies and what not. My disdain for castro is more personal than ideological. Cuban military support of the sandinistas was a big factor in nearly ending my fathers life before I was born.CameronPoe wrote:
There is a marked difference between Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro GS, as you probably realise. Kim Jong Il is an egocentric narcissistic personality cult propagator who cares only for himself. Disagree with his methods or not (many of which I do disagree with), Fidel has always had the best interests of the Cuban people at heart (although one person dictating what that should be is horribly flawed) and is not egocentric - he's just genuinely popular. In 1959 Cuban people had every right to feel aggrieved by American political interference and economic imperialism in their country. Their anger was further justified when the US tried to undermine their highly popular revolution with the Bay of Pigs invasion (effectively driving them into the hands of the Soviets for protection, something which caused Guevara to lose heart and leave Cuba as he saw the USSR as every bit as ruthlessly self interested, expansionist and exploitative as the US).GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
People should not be pro-Castro simply because he was 'anti-American' (or more accurately - pro-Cuban and pro-Latin America in his own mind) - that is pretty lame. One should recognise his flaws: a misguided embrace of the USSR, the suppression of free speech and travel, etc. But one should not dismiss praise for the genuinely honourable social and military achievements of Castro. Nothing honourable as far as I can see can be attributed to Mr. Jong Il - they aren't even in the same ballpark, hell it isn't even the same sport.
Who is the president now?
No, Easter is on Sunday, he died on Friday.rawls2 wrote:
Blasphemy!!!! I call for a jihad against serge for the ultimate disrespect of the Christian faith.....oh wait wrong religion. Anyways, he died three days before Easter.sergeriver wrote:
Isn't Easter the death and resurrection of Jesus? Whatever. They will announce it around Easter.Kmarion wrote:
Jesus died the Friday before silly.
i thought he died 7 times
Jesus or Fidel Castro?The#1Spot wrote:
i thought he died 7 times
fidelsergeriver wrote:
Jesus or Fidel Castro?The#1Spot wrote:
i thought he died 7 times
and then the easter bunny came!FEOS wrote:
Good Friday was the death. Easter Sunday was the resurrection.sergeriver wrote:
Isn't Easter the death and resurrection of Jesus? Whatever. They will announce it around Easter.Kmarion wrote:
Jesus died the Friday before silly.
Regardless, I bet the old bastard's dead already.
So supporting other countries insurgencies are wrong ?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I understand that well. I find though that people seem to act as if Castro was the best thing since lee harvey oswald. I mean, people forget that Cuba likes to go on military adventures far from its border. Supporting other countries insurgencies and what not. My disdain for castro is more personal than ideological. Cuban military support of the sandinistas was a big factor in nearly ending my fathers life before I was born.CameronPoe wrote:
There is a marked difference between Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro GS, as you probably realise. Kim Jong Il is an egocentric narcissistic personality cult propagator who cares only for himself. Disagree with his methods or not (many of which I do disagree with), Fidel has always had the best interests of the Cuban people at heart (although one person dictating what that should be is horribly flawed) and is not egocentric - he's just genuinely popular. In 1959 Cuban people had every right to feel aggrieved by American political interference and economic imperialism in their country. Their anger was further justified when the US tried to undermine their highly popular revolution with the Bay of Pigs invasion (effectively driving them into the hands of the Soviets for protection, something which caused Guevara to lose heart and leave Cuba as he saw the USSR as every bit as ruthlessly self interested, expansionist and exploitative as the US).GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
People should not be pro-Castro simply because he was 'anti-American' (or more accurately - pro-Cuban and pro-Latin America in his own mind) - that is pretty lame. One should recognise his flaws: a misguided embrace of the USSR, the suppression of free speech and travel, etc. But one should not dismiss praise for the genuinely honourable social and military achievements of Castro. Nothing honourable as far as I can see can be attributed to Mr. Jong Il - they aren't even in the same ballpark, hell it isn't even the same sport.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
you must have skimmed that partGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
My disdain for castro is more personal than ideological.
This has nothing to do with being Anti America. I'm am against American foreign policies which interferer with other nations. Go after one 'dictator' for 50 years while supporting numerous other. If their was consistency, then all the self righteous speeches coming from the white house over the past 50 years would actually mean something to me. Over the past 50 years.........how many dictators has the US supported? How many democratically elected governments have you helped over throw to be replaced with a western friendly dictator? You and I know, its a shit load.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
cant wait for you guys to say warm things about Kim Jong Il when he croaks, ya know, for being so damn anti american and all. apparently as long as you are anti american, you could be the biggest asshole in the world and still be loved.
When Europe was under threat of war in 1930's and throughout the war, all elections were suspended and Marshall law was declared in the UK. (not sure about the USA).
Cuba has the worlds largest military supper power 70miles away, poisoning its crops, pollute its air, try hundreds of way to assassinate its leader, fund Cuban Terrorists, harbour Cuban Airplane terrorists, attempt invasions and try and strangle the very life out of the country, I would say each is an act of war. And under such a threat democracy cannot work or even be attempted.
Who is to say what could have happened if the US had left Cuba to its own devices. If the threat of invasion had been lifted, who's to say Cuba wouldn't have had elections and democracy by now. The USA criticise, yet should take some of the blame for the lack of democracy,
You can say what you want for Fidel. But Cuba has a higher child literacy rate than the USA, its health care system is as good if not better at a 20th the cost. Cuban people live longer than anyone else in the Americas.............................weigh that up against the kind of US democratic model were their are huge gaps between Rich and poor and everyone is running on a consumer treadmill while working there arse off or sitting getting fat. I would say both people are equally as happy and equally as oblivious at the same time.
.Sup wrote:
Who is the president of Cuba now?
Raul Castro..Sup wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Who is the president of Cuba now?
Thanks for the quick reply. I actually asked that couple posts ago but didn't got any replies.CameronPoe wrote:
Raul Castro..Sup wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Who is the president of Cuba now?
+1 my friend.Sup wrote:
Wow that's unexpected, i thought he will die on the presidential seat. Is his brother president now?
lol it looks like i gave myself a +1