.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6731|The Twilight Zone
Vista looks so nice, I had it installed when it came out but there was so many compatibility (incompatibility) problems that it just wasn't worth it. Now the SP1 comes soon and I'm thinking of installing it again. I would have dual boot. XP for games and Vista for surfing the web. The most important thing for me is listening to music in Vista. Since it doesn't support hardware rendering, I was hoping someone might explain hardware rendering to me, does it make a big difference over software rendering?

Can you also make pros and cons why should or shouldn't I install Vista.
Should I install the 64 bit version and what are the pros and cons of it.
Give me an opinion on your Vista experience.

I have Vista Business 32 and 64 bit.

Thanks for all answers and feedback, gladly appreciated!
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jsnipy
...
+3,277|6800|...

I'm going to give making Vista my primary boot vista once sp1 is released (Assuming VMware issues are resolved). But honestly, there is no real need atm, aside from it looks pretty.

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-02-20 15:03:04)

GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7063|Anaheim, CA

If you get vista, you'll eventually want to upgrade to XP:
http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi … ws-xp.aspx

Vista is still slow and horrible, bad for gaming, and SP1 isn't supposed to speed it up much at all.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6741|cuntshitlake

What about Vista skinpack?
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
Microwave
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+515|6932|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK
My Vista's fine.... 




If you can, I'd recommend you dual-boot it with XP like I did.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6731|The Twilight Zone

GuliblGuy wrote:

If you get vista, you'll eventually want to upgrade to XP:
http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi … ws-xp.aspx

Vista is still slow and horrible, bad for gaming, and SP1 isn't supposed to speed it up much at all.
I already have Vista, i got in at Uni.

DeathUnlimited wrote:

What about Vista skinpack?
I have it but its ugly compared to Vista.
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GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6692|Finland

GuliblGuy wrote:

If you get vista, you'll eventually want to upgrade to XP:
http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi … ws-xp.aspx

Vista is still slow and horrible, bad for gaming, and SP1 isn't supposed to speed it up much at all.
Vista hater spotted!
There is nothing wrong with Vista.

edit: let me put it this way. I'm not trying to run xp on my 350mhz P2 rig... if you have modern pc, Vista will be just fine.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-02-20 15:11:08)

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DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6741|cuntshitlake

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

GuliblGuy wrote:

If you get vista, you'll eventually want to upgrade to XP:
http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi … ws-xp.aspx

Vista is still slow and horrible, bad for gaming, and SP1 isn't supposed to speed it up much at all.
Vista hater spotted!
There is nothing wrong with Vista.
Yes there is a lot. But I'm not hating Vista like people usually do, I just hate the changed UI. A lot of advanced stuff has been made harder than in XP, while it has been made "clearer and easier" for unadvanced users. I hate the "move to the mac territory". And Vista is too much of a resource hog.

When I get upgrade I will get vista besides the XP and few linux distros though. I want to learn it, since it is afterall the future. Thus far I have only used it at friends.
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aimless
Member
+166|6402|Texas
Go ahead and install Vista x64.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6731|The Twilight Zone

aimless wrote:

Go ahead and install Vista x64.
Can you explain why?
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jord
Member
+2,382|6955|The North, beyond the wall.
Yes. YOu should.

Dow it.



Now.






































Why aren't you doing it yet?
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6731|The Twilight Zone

jord wrote:

Yes. YOu should.

Dow it.



Now.
Why aren't you doing it yet?
because you didn't give me a good reason.

Last edited by .Sup (2008-02-20 15:25:40)

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jord
Member
+2,382|6955|The North, beyond the wall.

.Sup wrote:

jord wrote:

Yes. YOu should.

Dow it.



Now.
Why aren't you doing it yet?
because you didn't give me a good reason.
It's the future. You wil do eventually. May as well.
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6258|Toronto
If you want Vista for music and looks, you can get everything you need with Winamp for music and themes/customizes for XP. You can get that transparent window thingy, the multiple dektops thingy, and so on. Plus, it's less of a resource hog. Personally, I also hated the UI in Vista. I guess i'm too used to XP, but it seems that they put the n00b functions first and forgot about more proficient people who know how to run a comp and don't want to have to go through 7 menus to do it. Oh, and Vista hogs waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much--stupid if you ask me.
I like pie.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6731|The Twilight Zone

jord wrote:

.Sup wrote:

jord wrote:

Yes. YOu should.

Dow it.



Now.
Why aren't you doing it yet?
because you didn't give me a good reason.
It's the future. You wil do eventually. May as well.
Windows 7 is on its way...


good point TSI
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TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6258|Toronto
I also read that you want to use Vista to surf the net. Bad idea, IMO. Windows Internet explorer 7 is out now, and Firefox 2 as well. They're the best, I would say. Your OS would not do too much to change that.

If there is one thing I like about Vista though, it's that USB-drive turns into RAM thing. Wish XP had that (maybe on SP3)

Last edited by TSI (2008-02-20 15:36:11)

I like pie.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|6962|Espoo, Finland
Vista is good if you have a decent enough PC.
Never really had problems with it, not even the compatibility issues people claim there are.

Last edited by Gawwad (2008-02-20 15:46:52)

xRBLx
I've got lovely bunch of coconuts!!
+27|6633|England - Kent
I have Vista 64 U and XP as a dual boot.
My Vista sits on 1GB ram idle and wont allow me to have 4GB ram total without blue screening on me. Most games will run fine and most for the fixes are out now for the hardware. The thing I dislike very much about Vista is modules keep failing explorer keeps crashing... (ram tested fine + hot fix)
XP still runs like a charm from me games music CS3 ect ect.

My advice?
If you have not or do not need to purchase Vista why not give it a go?
If you have got to pay out of you're hard earned wages save you're self a headache!

My spec:
Q6660
BFG 8800GTX
OCZ 2x1GB RAM sli
EVEA 680i
Antec 800 watt
Antec 900 gaming case

Last edited by xRBLx (2008-02-20 15:57:56)

SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6937|The darkside of Denver
What are your specs?  Is the ONLY reason you want/need Vista is because it looks nice?

I run Vista X64 for two reasons.

1. I have 4 Gigs of ram.
2. I have a DX10 capable video card.

I stomach the aches and pains that come from Vista's relatively minor shortcomings because it is the operating system that bests suits the interest of my machine.  It really hasn't been that bad, and I particularly enjoy Dx10 effects in games like WiC, CoH, and Crysis.  I also cant complain of any compatibility issues, so I'm assuming most of them have been resolved with patches, windows updates, etc.

Last edited by <SS>SonderKommando (2008-02-20 16:04:51)

[CANADA]_Zenmaster
Pope Picard II
+473|7023

After 4 months on Vista x64 Ultimate with 4GB of ram, 8800 GTS, E6600 @3.4 GHz, 2x 320GB in raid, well I recently uninstalled Vista and went back to XP (x86). Here is a short summary of what I personally found good and bad about Vista:

Pros:
- Looks Nice
- Runs 4GB of ram (x86 caps at like 3.2-3.5GB, but you don't need that in XP anyway...) but needs it for gaming (2GB of ram and BF2 stutters shockingly, 4GB smooth)
- Vista keeps your last BF2 map files in RAM so if you CTD (which Vista does A LOT) your verification time takes under 1 second literally. This is completely offset by the fact that it is Vista making ya crash lol....
- When backing up files (I keep 3 backup drives; used to blue screens) Vista checks if the files exist and allows you to apply your decision to all subsequent files that raise a replace or skip error. In XP you either have to camp the screen and click No to each individual file, or click yes to all and overwrite everything. Aggrovating as fuck in XP but easy as pie in Vista.
- Vista gives you transfer speed info when copying files, e.g. you can see your RAID drives actually transferring at 100mbps so you know shit is going fast instead of staring blankly at a progressbar.
- Alt tab feature of preview window is nice
- More secure than XP for sure but I recommend shutting of UAC anyways; it is still pretty secure and with NOD32 antivirus = no problems
- My sound card at first didn't work in Vista (Xtremegamer), but once they released drivers in November, it actually made my mp3s sound better than XP. The crystalizer that comes with the card just seems to work better in Vista than XP. XP it sounds like a volume boost, but in Vista it sounds like a clarity boost like it is supposed to be.
- Allows playing destructible environments in crysis dx10 servers, but there is barely any so it doesn't matter.. plus crysis is unstable as fuck in vista x64.

Really all it is good for is it looks nice.

Cons:
- XP is shockingly faster at loading everything than Vista (I ran Vista with superfetch on and off, pagefile of several sizes and off). Pagefile off + 4GB of ram in both XP and Vista was the fastest, but XP loads way faster with pagefile off.
- XP gave me a 15-20 frame boost on high settings in Crysis as expected. Death to Vista bloatware.
- Ram requirement is pathetic (2GB to use basic apps, 4GB to game). Tom's hardware just recommended going to 8GB in Vista if you are any kind of heavy user of apps... 3.2GB in XP is still better than all this shit lol.
- Lack of driver support in x64 is a pain in the ass for any odd usb devices etc that you may have
- DX10 use in Crysis was a laughable joke as most of the same shit has been hacked into DX9 configs and DX9 servers.
- x64 use in Crysis was unstable until the patch. x64 remains unuseable with PB servers in crysis so you have to use the x86 version or suffer playing with hackers. Crysis devs are so far in bed with intel and windows its fucking sad.
- PeerGuardian does not work among some other softwares that are completely buggy in x64
- Vista auto-organizes your folders, so when you copy a few new mp3s into your mp3 folder, guess what they get dispersed into the mass instead of showing up at the end of the folder like in XP. Damn I hated that about Vista.
- Vista fucks up your desktop icons religiously. It won't preserve where they are when you go into smaller resolution games than your desktop. If you use autoarrange it makes your order messy and worse, when you reboot sometimes it fucks it all up anyway... aggrovating.
- Vista search algorithm sucks balls. Seriously XP finds stuff by name 20x faster than Vista's bloatware, plus Vista's indexer whores resources in the background everyday. Shut it off, but still Vista what the fuck? Google desktop kicks its ass anyway and it only needs to run when you want it to and it provides convenient output unlike the search box shit.
- SiSOFT SANDRA and Futuremark tests consistently kick more ass in XP. Even my ram bandwidth improved 300-500mbps in XP at the same settings.
- XP is a more stable overclocker, especially with my video card and RAM.

I am sure I could bash Vista a little more but to be honest, I liked how it looked and I was glad to learn a new interface just for curiosity. I found that it is indeed bloatware and apps suffer a 15-20% loss, for instance crysis. BF2 stutters on 2GB of ram. Vista needs 4GB of ram to game, and this is on my system which laughs at BF2's requirements, but in Vista it needs 4GB of ram. I also found that Java based applications like Maple 10 suffer in Vista as the java coding seems to have issues. There are work-arounds but it gets old looking on google for every fucking thing I want to install.

So, I put XP back on and was rudely shocked at how fast it was even just loading windows and loading applications like everyday shit (Maple, Matlab, CAD, etc.). I really liked how Vista looked so I installed Vista BricoPack on my XP box and I can't be happier, it looks like Vista but performs like XP and it is free. Highly recommend you dual boot or stay with XP.

This is what my XP looks like now:
https://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5681/xpwithbricoos1.jpg
Windows XP with Bricopack

Last edited by [CANADA]_Zenmaster (2008-02-23 12:01:15)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6692|Finland

I have Vista x64 Ultimate and it is less than 5% slower than XP x64. I can't notice the difference in real life. Actually Vista boots up faster than XP with the ram hotfix. I spawn first in BF2142 titan maps for example and always get the talon/doragon. To tell you the truth I spawn twice. The second time is when the round really starts. (in full server). So I really don't understand why everyone keeps saying that Vista load times are bollox. Of course it is that ~5% slower than XP but that is what you can expect from new OS. Same thing like going from 98 to XP. I doubt anyone uses 98 now because it is faster than XP.
And for DU: After you learn how to do all the advanced stuff in Vista, it is as easy as in XP.
Aand about the ram usage: DDR2 is cheaper than ever now. 20€/1GB good quality ram. Go grab couple extra GB if you are horrified by the ram usage. It won't get cheaper than this.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-02-21 00:32:39)

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+77|6907|The Netherlands
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SineNomine
Panzerblitz
+37|7000|SPARTA
vista ultimate 64 ftw. best os i ever had!
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6601|New Haven, CT

GuliblGuy wrote:

If you get vista, you'll eventually want to upgrade to XP:
http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi … ws-xp.aspx

Vista is still slow and horrible, bad for gaming, and SP1 isn't supposed to speed it up much at all.
Just because this guy failed at installing Vista or tried to do so on a slow computer doesn't mean Vista is bad. Everything that he said happens doesn't not happen to me.
-101-InvaderZim
Member
+42|7121|Waikato, Aotearoa
Vista ran ok on my PC when I installed it (had a few issues with some of my older games that I still play a bit), but the biggest issue I have with Vista is lack of SLI support.

If you have 2 video cards and want to run SLI then Vista is not a good option (stick with WinXP). If you have 1 video card then sure why not..... Having said that, Vista is a YOOGE RAM hog.

I wouldnt use Vista with less than 2GB of memory (DDR400MHz is ok to use)

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