BF2S Forums Should Moderate Muslims Speak Out Reagrdless of the Consequences?

steelie34 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

no one yet has said exactly how they should speak out.  i am sure all moderate muslims would denounce violence, what do you want them to do?

Protest in front of Iranian embassies or the likes (peaceful ofcourse) If all the people protesting are muslims it would be 'breaking news' for quite some time.

ok, and like i said, why should they care?  do you protest in front of the US embassy because they don't give fair trial to guantanamo bay prisoners?  how bout the blackwater scandal? 

its funny, everyone here wants someone else to protest something that affects them, but will not protest something that affects other people.



(im just playing devils advocate, my statements do not always reflect my opionion.)

Well, I don't protest because I'm not as involved in it as actual muslims are, I mean they usually come to europe / US from the area where there is trouble, it should concern them atleast enough to try and speak out. Even more so because there are some degrading remarks about muslims in general they could wipe out once they clearly show they do not support sharia law etc. It's definately their bussiness imo.

Though I will do my best to help the people out in those areas if I would ever be deployed in a few years time (planning on a military career) So It's not that much of letting other people do stuff for me.

fuck blackwater

sergeriver wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

When did I say that RADICAL ISLAM wasn't a problem?  Of course it's a problem, but you can't generalize about the whole Muslim Community.  That's what I say.  Pretty simple tbh.

And as you know from my previous posts, I don't generalize and always make a distinction between moderate and radical Islam. A lot of people here just blow radical Islam off...meaning, they say its just a small group of wackos when in fact they are very organized and deliberate in what they do. We only hear about the bombings, the be-headings from the news but these groups go much further than that in their propaganda, harassment and vandalism against moderates in so many places that you lose count.

I will be more specific, you recognize the heart of the problem...many people on these forums don't and they think this problem will just blow away like a candle in the wind. There are plenty of wake up calls happening, some moderates see it, many people just ignore it.

Well, Radical Islam is a problem and the world must fight it.  However, the question is: how do you fight the extremists whithout violating the moderate ones rights?  And how do moderate Muslims speak out without putting their lives at risk?  That's all I want to know about this issue.

First, we stop calling radical terrorists Muslims. A true Muslim does not do what these terrorists do. Islamic terrorists need to be singled out as such and separated from that religion. Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims. Now as you have said how can they be stopped. Well, that is the big, big question. If you sit back and do nothing, they will move into the weakest countries and weakest communities like a virus. If you fight them in their own back yard, then you get accused of interfering or fighting for oil and profit. It is a no win situation. I think it will have to come down to real Muslims taking back their religion and standing up to these nut-jobs in the heart of these countries. Very similar to what is happening in Iraq where the people have decided enough is enough and turned against Al-queda. Anyhow, it won't be pretty but the world has to step up one way or another.

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence and fulfills the duty to express the results of his thought in clear form."

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

And as you know from my previous posts, I don't generalize and always make a distinction between moderate and radical Islam. A lot of people here just blow radical Islam off...meaning, they say its just a small group of wackos when in fact they are very organized and deliberate in what they do. We only hear about the bombings, the be-headings from the news but these groups go much further than that in their propaganda, harassment and vandalism against moderates in so many places that you lose count.

I will be more specific, you recognize the heart of the problem...many people on these forums don't and they think this problem will just blow away like a candle in the wind. There are plenty of wake up calls happening, some moderates see it, many people just ignore it.

Well, Radical Islam is a problem and the world must fight it.  However, the question is: how do you fight the extremists whithout violating the moderate ones rights?  And how do moderate Muslims speak out without putting their lives at risk?  That's all I want to know about this issue.

First, we stop calling radical terrorists Muslims. A true Muslim does not do what these terrorists do. Islamic terrorists need to be singled out as such and separated from that religion. Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims. Now as you have said how can they be stopped. Well, that is the big, big question. If you sit back and do nothing, they will move into the weakest countries and weakest communities like a virus. If you fight them in their own back yard, then you get accused of interfering or fighting for oil and profit. It is a no win situation. I think it will have to come down to real Muslims taking back their religion and standing up to these nut-jobs in the heart of these countries. Very similar to what is happening in Iraq where the people have decided enough is enough and turned against Al-queda. Anyhow, it won't be pretty but the world has to step up one way or another.

Good post.

this is one of the best examples of speaking out against radical Muslims i've seen so far..

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp? … mp;ak=null

Spearhead wrote:

Why do we have to choose between two extremes?

Just because someone should speak out doesn't mean they necessarily support it if they don't.  That's called appeasement.

The big question is whether you think appeasement is just a different form of support.  I don't think it is, personally.

Forget the support part, the two options are yes and no.

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FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

What I don't get is while in the other poll most people answered they would not speak out against a criminal organization unless certain conditions are met, here most people said that moderate Muslims should speak out regardless of the consequences.

Could it be that your other poll had more than two options? People chose the best option of the limited ones you provided here. If you had duplicated the options from the previous poll and inserted "moderate Muslim" in place of "you", then your results wouldn't seem so off.

Poor statistics technique, Serge.

I ain't working for Gallup, lol.

FEOS wrote:

Oh I think we all realize that.

But you can't realistically blast people for voting differently on this poll than for the other one...they aren't comparable. At least not in the way you compared them.

Thanks for your honesty, lol.

I think its stupid to assume a handful of people represent the group.  The same way I hate hearing about how bad the United States is by doing business with saudi arabia when its private citizens, not the saudi government, are responsible for terrorist activities.

Apparently "No Snitching" applies to muslims too.

One can justify the why to and why not Muslims living in America do not speak out.  But there are some realities one must look at devout Muslims attend prayers in the same place as many of the radical Muslims.  Sadly many of them are supported and protected by there own clerics and masc leaders.  So there is in reality a reason many do not speak out publicly.  This is a religion that accepts a father killing his daughters because he feels they have shamed the family honor.  However if they do not want receive the same treatment the whack jobs do they need to paint them red and point them out, if not then they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Now if you do not believe that there are radical Muslims in America right now well boys and girls please take off your rose colored glasses.  However the old says does continue to be true "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything"....and there are times that words alone are not good enough one must put there own biscuits on the line.