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Nurture or Nature

Nurture46%46% - 13
Nature53%53% - 15
Total: 28
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA
David.P - People picked on me and the local middle school was full of gangs and shit.

unnamednewbie13 - That's simply because the law supports a religion-based institution, there are ways around that little thing you mention.
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

FallenMorgan wrote:

David.P - People picked on me and the local middle school was full of gangs and shit.
So mine was too. Except i went to special ED. You're lucky that your parents would do that.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA

David.P wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

David.P - People picked on me and the local middle school was full of gangs and shit.
So mine was too. Except i went to special ED. You're lucky that your parents would do that.
When the school found out I was going to homeschool they tried to put me in special education, citing my supposed lack of a grip on reality back then.  What I say to them is "fuck you."
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7257|Grapevine, TX
you do have a lack of a grip on reality but good luck to you
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

FallenMorgan wrote:

David.P wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

David.P - People picked on me and the local middle school was full of gangs and shit.
So mine was too. Except i went to special ED. You're lucky that your parents would do that.
When the school found out I was going to homeschool they tried to put me in special education, citing my supposed lack of a grip on reality back then.  What I say to them is "fuck you."
You know this sounds eerily familiar to me, Your situation is almost a mirror of mine, I'll tell you if you want.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

DrunkFace wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

There are many legal protections gained from marriage also.
Such as?
These:

Tax Benefits
  • Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
  • Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.
Estate Planning Benefits
  • Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
  • Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
  • Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
  • Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse’s behalf.
Government Benefits
  • Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
  • Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
  • Receiving public assistance benefits.
Employment Benefits
  • Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
  • Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
  • Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
  • Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse’s close relatives dies.
Medical Benefits
  • Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
  • Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
Death Benefits
  • Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
  • Making burial or other final arrangements.
Family Benefits
  • Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
  • Applying for joint foster care rights.
  • Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
  • Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
Housing Benefits
  • Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
  • Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.
Consumer Benefits
  • Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
  • Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
  • Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.
Other Legal Benefits and Protections
  • Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
  • Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
  • Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can’t force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
  • Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
  • Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
  • Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA
What most of those are, are government "benefits" for marriage, made mostly to encourage marriage.  David.P I'd love to hear your story.
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

FallenMorgan wrote:

What most of those are, are government "benefits" for marriage, made mostly to encourage marriage.  David.P I'd love to hear your story.
In 6th grade i was having problems so i dropped out "Temporarily", The school board said to my parents it was either Special ed, Home school, Or we take your son away, And we decided on Home school of course, They gave me a teacher, Real nice guy thought me alot of things, For 2 years (7th and 8th grade) But he couldn't teach me high school classes, And i wanted to go back to a normal school in 2002 for High school(L.I. City high for cooking) They said i needed to go for more "Evaluation", In other words they just locked me up in Q.C.P.C(Queens Children Psychiatric Center, It was almost like a fucken prison) And for 30 days i was provoked, Made fun of, Abused for being white by both the staff and students, And in my last week i couldn't take it anymore! I got so pissed off and missed my chance that they sent to a worser place.

You're lucky fucken lucky, You didn't develop a psychotic mindset because of your lack of treatment and empathy, When i say i'm going to kill people or make jokes about homicide, You really think i do it just as an attention grabber? No i do it because it helps me release my pent up frustrations at my treatment and the double standards of the Education system.

Do you guys really think i'm just acting fucked up?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*nods* Understood...  You're correct that most people change their minds, and most sensible high school students don't want to be fathers at that young of an age.
Probably everyone goes through the 'know-it-all' stage in high school.
Just because you thought you "knew it all" during high school, and because most kids my age do, doesn't mean all of them do.  Granted, I think people go through that stage at different times in their lives.  Some before high school, some after....
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA

David.P wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

What most of those are, are government "benefits" for marriage, made mostly to encourage marriage.  David.P I'd love to hear your story.
In 6th grade i was having problems so i dropped out "Temporarily", The school board said to my parents it was either Special ed, Home school, Or we take your son away, And we decided on Home school of course, They gave me a teacher, Real nice guy thought me alot of things, For 2 years (7th and 8th grade) But he couldn't teach me high school classes, And i wanted to go back to a normal school in 2002 for High school(L.I. City high for cooking) They said i needed to go for more "Evaluation", In other words they just locked me up in Q.C.P.C(Queens Children Psychiatric Center, It was almost like a fucken prison) And for 30 days i was provoked, Made fun of, Abused for being white by both the staff and students, And in my last week i couldn't take it anymore! I got so pissed off and missed my chance that they sent to a worser place.

You're lucky fucken lucky, You didn't develop a psychotic mindset because of your lack of treatment and empathy, When i say i'm going to kill people or make jokes about homicide, You really think i do it just as an attention grabber? No i do it because it helps me release my pent up frustrations at my treatment and the double standards of the Education system.

Do you guys really think i'm just acting fucked up?
The educational system is full of bullshit.  I have to go through a Chemistry class to graduate High School, and it is fucking hard.

As for something I'd like to say about marriage.  I hate the whole bullshit trip of the traditions and yada yada, and my view is rare among women.  I hate the concept of asking the girl's parents, specifically her father, as if this is still 2,000 BC and women are just property.  I hate the idea that the man "proposes" and if the woman does the man is a pussy.  I hate the concept of a dowry or whatever, as if it's payment for marrying the woman or something.  What I hate in general is the general overtone with marriage that implies a transfer of "property" from father to other guy.

I also hate the concept of taking the man's last name.  If I hypothetically married someone, not saying I'd want to, I'd like to perhaps take her last name, mostly if she was more famous than me, like if her last name started with an H and ends with an N with 4 letters in-between.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071
are you that paris hilton stalker that was on the forums about two years ago?
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

FallenMorgan wrote:

The educational system is full of bullshit.  I have to go through a Chemistry class to graduate High School, and it is fucking hard.
Lucky you. They gave us 5th grade math in the second place i was, Nothing harder just 5th grade math so these retards wouldn't strain themselves. And when i asked for something harder i forgot 90% of what i had learned in those 2 years of home school. Because my placements had driven the memory from me and instead replaced it with suicidal and homicidal thoughts.
commandochristian
Honda - The Power of Dreams
+293|6840|Michigan, USA

Spark wrote:

Where is the 'both' option?
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

are you that paris hilton stalker that was on the forums about two years ago?
Do you remember the name?
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

are you that paris hilton stalker that was on the forums about two years ago?
Who the hell are you talking about?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

FallenMorgan wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

are you that paris hilton stalker that was on the forums about two years ago?
Who the hell are you talking about?
you
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071

Spearhead wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

are you that paris hilton stalker that was on the forums about two years ago?
Who the hell are you talking about?
you
qft
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA
What?
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071
all this emo shit needs to get out the door.


edit:yo

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-02-27 13:23:48)

FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

all this emo shit needs to get out the door.


edit:yo
What are you talking about?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

FallenMorgan wrote:

What most of those are, are government "benefits" for marriage, made mostly to encourage marriage.
I don't think the government needed to do any work to encourage marriage.  Regardless, those are legal protections and privileges afforded to people who are married.  However, if you don't want to get married, don't.  Few of those will apply to a single person and would make no difference to you.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

We should go back to when you just hit the woman on the head with a club and dragged her by the hair back to the cave.

Not really.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6341|Glendale, CA
I'm a solitary person really, I feel no joy (except in one or two cases) of living together with some random female, having to deal with sagging breasts and stretch marks after the person gets knocked up.  I prefer girls as friends to a mild extent.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

FallenMorgan wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

all this emo shit needs to get out the door.


edit:yo
What are you talking about?
you
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6558|North Tonawanda, NY

Spearhead wrote:

Just because you thought you "knew it all" during high school, and because most kids my age do, doesn't mean all of them do.  Granted, I think people go through that stage at different times in their lives.  Some before high school, some after....
I didn't speak in absolutes.  There are always people who break the mold.

FallenMorgan wrote:

I'm a solitary person really, I feel no joy (except in one or two cases) of living together with some random female, having to deal with sagging breasts and stretch marks after the person gets knocked up.  I prefer girls as friends to a mild extent.
This makes you sound very vapid.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-02-27 13:34:44)

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