Nope, their intentions are what matters. A person that got hooked on pain medication while being treated for a back injury, is not the same as a person that decided to shoot heroin in his arm or snort coke to get high. But I honestly believe I am not telling you something you do not all ready know.Turquoise wrote:
So the drug they are addicted to matters?lowing wrote:
I do not think I said I do not support rehab centers, I think I said I do not support rehabbing drug addicts. I pretty much thought we all understood what was meant by a drug addict since it was crackheads and coke heads that we had been talking about all day.Turquoise wrote:
Good, then you should support rehabs, because they help people with prescription dependencies as well.
Poll
Should Drug Addicts Go to Jail?
| Yes, they are breaking the law | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| Only after being to rehab and being caught again | 27% | 27% - 37 | ||||
| No, they are sick and jail would make things even worse | 33% | 33% - 45 | ||||
| Other | 11% | 11% - 16 | ||||
| Total: 135 | ||||||
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??Turquoise wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the government actually developed LSD for interrogation purposes.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not back peddling, merely illustrating my point - opiates are useful for controlling pain.
Heroin, an illegal drug, is an opiate.
Another illegal drug that can be, and is, used to control pain is marijuana.
You seem to think that all illegal drugs are pure evil just because they are illegal.
I am pointing out that most illegal drugs do have some good uses.
Another example is LSD - this has been shown to be useful in psychiatric therapy.
Half the time, the government is responsible for creating drugs that later become illegal.
Ok, I can level with that, but as long as we have rehabs, are you going to just bar entry from addicts of illegal drugs?lowing wrote:
Nope, their intentions are what matters. A person that got hooked on pain medication while being treated for a back injury, is not the same as a person that decided to shoot heroin in his arm or snort coke to get high. But I honestly believe I am not telling you something you do not all ready know.
Read up on the history of LSD. Sandoz Laboratories created the drug, and the government later used it. However, once something is mass produced and subsequently banned, it usually reaches the street.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??Turquoise wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the government actually developed LSD for interrogation purposes.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not back peddling, merely illustrating my point - opiates are useful for controlling pain.
Heroin, an illegal drug, is an opiate.
Another illegal drug that can be, and is, used to control pain is marijuana.
You seem to think that all illegal drugs are pure evil just because they are illegal.
I am pointing out that most illegal drugs do have some good uses.
Another example is LSD - this has been shown to be useful in psychiatric therapy.
Half the time, the government is responsible for creating drugs that later become illegal.
What I'm suggesting is that drugs like LSD are often staples of illegal markets because of unrealistic and shortsighted policies. In effect, the government created an environment for drug crime, and because of that, I see it as the government's responsiblity to make up for it by trying to redeem addicts.
I could bend on self admitting addicts who seek help voluntarily. But in no way will I endorse court ordered rehab...Turquoise wrote:
Ok, I can level with that, but as long as we have rehabs, are you going to just bar entry from addicts of illegal drugs?lowing wrote:
Nope, their intentions are what matters. A person that got hooked on pain medication while being treated for a back injury, is not the same as a person that decided to shoot heroin in his arm or snort coke to get high. But I honestly believe I am not telling you something you do not all ready know.
None of the drugs I mention are prescribed.lowing wrote:
Since when are we talking about a prescribed drug administered under the care of a doctor? You are back peddling, and everyone that has kept up with this exchange knows it.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not back peddling, merely illustrating my point - opiates are useful for controlling pain.lowing wrote:
You damn well know, drugs administered by doctors IS NOT what the fuck we are talking about. We are talking about drug addicts. Not some mother fucker who is medicated after having his tonsils taken out is not the spirit of the OP.
Stop trying to back peddle against your previous statements regarding illegal drug use is akin to fucking driving a car. You are now looking quite desperate.
Heroin, an illegal drug, is an opiate.
Another illegal drug that can be, and is, used to control pain is marijuana.
You seem to think that all illegal drugs are pure evil just because they are illegal.
I am pointing out that most illegal drugs do have some good uses.
Another example is LSD - this has been shown to be useful in psychiatric therapy.
Also, unless you are all of a sudden a doctor treating your kids ailments, you said you will teach your children how to use drugs safely. This IS drug abuse and you endorse it. This makes you the biggest dip shit in this forum. Congrats!
All are illegal (at least in this country, and in most parts of yours).
Two of them are addictive.
Yet they all have positive qualities.
And, by definition, teaching drugs safety is not drug abuse - Abuse is not safe, safe use is not abuse.
Users of LSD generally don't shoot it in their arms.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??Turquoise wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the government actually developed LSD for interrogation purposes.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not back peddling, merely illustrating my point - opiates are useful for controlling pain.
Heroin, an illegal drug, is an opiate.
Another illegal drug that can be, and is, used to control pain is marijuana.
You seem to think that all illegal drugs are pure evil just because they are illegal.
I am pointing out that most illegal drugs do have some good uses.
Another example is LSD - this has been shown to be useful in psychiatric therapy.
Half the time, the government is responsible for creating drugs that later become illegal.
We differ on this, I see the people that seek this shit out to shoot in their arm, snort it up their nose, huff it, or place it under their tongues as the ones who created a market for drug crime.Turquoise wrote:
Read up on the history of LSD. Sandoz Laboratories created the drug, and the government later used it. However, once something is mass produced and subsequently banned, it usually reaches the street.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??Turquoise wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the government actually developed LSD for interrogation purposes.
Half the time, the government is responsible for creating drugs that later become illegal.
What I'm suggesting is that drugs like LSD are often staples of illegal markets because of unrealistic and shortsighted policies. In effect, the government created an environment for drug crime, and because of that, I see it as the government's responsiblity to make up for it by trying to redeem addicts.
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess next time I could just ask your kids, if you are not aroundScorpion0x17 wrote:
Users of LSD generally don't shoot it in their arms.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??Turquoise wrote:
Not to mention the fact that the government actually developed LSD for interrogation purposes.
Half the time, the government is responsible for creating drugs that later become illegal.
So, during Prohibition, would you have blamed the rumrunners only, or would you have blamed the government at least partially for increased organized crime due to banning a substance with great demand?
I agree with you on that point - the market is driven by demand.lowing wrote:
We differ on this, I see the people that seek this shit out to shoot in their arm, snort it up their nose, huff it, or place it under their tongues as the ones who created a market for drug crime.Turquoise wrote:
Read up on the history of LSD. Sandoz Laboratories created the drug, and the government later used it. However, once something is mass produced and subsequently banned, it usually reaches the street.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??
What I'm suggesting is that drugs like LSD are often staples of illegal markets because of unrealistic and shortsighted policies. In effect, the government created an environment for drug crime, and because of that, I see it as the government's responsiblity to make up for it by trying to redeem addicts.
But the illegality of various drugs has done nothing to quell that demand.
Hence I believe it is better to educate than to punish.
No problem. I'm always happy to educate people about the truths of drug use.lowing wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess next time I could just ask your kids, if you are not aroundScorpion0x17 wrote:
Users of LSD generally don't shoot it in their arms.lowing wrote:
and this is relevent to a persons decision to shoot it in his arm......... how??
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!Scorpion0x17 wrote:
None of the drugs I mention are prescribed.lowing wrote:
Since when are we talking about a prescribed drug administered under the care of a doctor? You are back peddling, and everyone that has kept up with this exchange knows it.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not back peddling, merely illustrating my point - opiates are useful for controlling pain.
Heroin, an illegal drug, is an opiate.
Another illegal drug that can be, and is, used to control pain is marijuana.
You seem to think that all illegal drugs are pure evil just because they are illegal.
I am pointing out that most illegal drugs do have some good uses.
Another example is LSD - this has been shown to be useful in psychiatric therapy.
Also, unless you are all of a sudden a doctor treating your kids ailments, you said you will teach your children how to use drugs safely. This IS drug abuse and you endorse it. This makes you the biggest dip shit in this forum. Congrats!
All are illegal (at least in this country, and in most parts of yours).
Two of them are addictive.
Yet they all have positive qualities.
And, by definition, teaching drugs safety is not drug abuse - Abuse is not safe, safe use is not abuse.
Jail -- No
Removed from society -- Yes
Removed from society -- Yes
What about drugs that don't have a medicinal use? If a drug is purely recreational, is it abuse to simply use it?lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!
LSD was not developed to help in therapy.lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!Scorpion0x17 wrote:
None of the drugs I mention are prescribed.lowing wrote:
Since when are we talking about a prescribed drug administered under the care of a doctor? You are back peddling, and everyone that has kept up with this exchange knows it.
Also, unless you are all of a sudden a doctor treating your kids ailments, you said you will teach your children how to use drugs safely. This IS drug abuse and you endorse it. This makes you the biggest dip shit in this forum. Congrats!
All are illegal (at least in this country, and in most parts of yours).
Two of them are addictive.
Yet they all have positive qualities.
And, by definition, teaching drugs safety is not drug abuse - Abuse is not safe, safe use is not abuse.
Opiates and marijuana were not developed to help pain control.
The later two just happen to be naturally occurring substances that happen to help with pain control.
Is it right that we should proscribe rather than prescribe these useful drugs?
You are now preaching to the choir, I endorse legalizing drugs, and letting every moron out their blow their minds while our govt. gets rich on the taxes. The sooner the drug abusers are all gone the sooner smart society can move forward.Turquoise wrote:
So, during Prohibition, would you have blamed the rumrunners only, or would you have blamed the government at least partially for increased organized crime due to banning a substance with great demand?
The govt. was wrong in banning alcohol.
Actually, LSD was developed for psychiatric purposes, but I agree with the general principle of what you're saying.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
LSD was not developed to help in therapy.lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!Scorpion0x17 wrote:
None of the drugs I mention are prescribed.
All are illegal (at least in this country, and in most parts of yours).
Two of them are addictive.
Yet they all have positive qualities.
And, by definition, teaching drugs safety is not drug abuse - Abuse is not safe, safe use is not abuse.
Opiates and marijuana were not developed to help pain control.
The later two just happen to be naturally occurring substances that happen to help with pain control.
Is it right that we should proscribe rather than prescribe these useful drugs?
Except the users will not go away.lowing wrote:
You are now preaching to the choir, I endorse legalizing drugs, and letting every moron out their blow their minds while our govt. gets rich on the taxes. The sooner the drug abusers are all gone the sooner smart society can move forward.Turquoise wrote:
So, during Prohibition, would you have blamed the rumrunners only, or would you have blamed the government at least partially for increased organized crime due to banning a substance with great demand?
The govt. was wrong in banning alcohol.
The use of most drugs is not an irreversible one way trip to the grave.
educate in the form of telling people what drug abuse can do to you, yes. Educate on how to shoot heroin with a clean neddle and how to have fun with it is completely absurd.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I agree with you on that point - the market is driven by demand.lowing wrote:
We differ on this, I see the people that seek this shit out to shoot in their arm, snort it up their nose, huff it, or place it under their tongues as the ones who created a market for drug crime.Turquoise wrote:
Read up on the history of LSD. Sandoz Laboratories created the drug, and the government later used it. However, once something is mass produced and subsequently banned, it usually reaches the street.
What I'm suggesting is that drugs like LSD are often staples of illegal markets because of unrealistic and shortsighted policies. In effect, the government created an environment for drug crime, and because of that, I see it as the government's responsiblity to make up for it by trying to redeem addicts.
But the illegality of various drugs has done nothing to quell that demand.
Hence I believe it is better to educate than to punish.
LSD-25 was, as I understand it, initially developed as a restorative and stimulant. Only later was it found to have psycho-active properties.Turquoise wrote:
Actually, LSD was developed for psychiatric purposes, but I agree with the general principle of what you're saying.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
LSD was not developed to help in therapy.lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!
Opiates and marijuana were not developed to help pain control.
The later two just happen to be naturally occurring substances that happen to help with pain control.
Is it right that we should proscribe rather than prescribe these useful drugs?
if it is illegal, yesTurquoise wrote:
What about drugs that don't have a medicinal use? If a drug is purely recreational, is it abuse to simply use it?lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!
If you drink to get completey falling down shit faced drunk it is alcohol abuse.
One sided education is no education at all.lowing wrote:
educate in the form of telling people what drug abuse can do to you, yes. Educate on how to shoot heroin with a clean neddle and how to have fun with it is completely absurd.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I agree with you on that point - the market is driven by demand.lowing wrote:
We differ on this, I see the people that seek this shit out to shoot in their arm, snort it up their nose, huff it, or place it under their tongues as the ones who created a market for drug crime.
But the illegality of various drugs has done nothing to quell that demand.
Hence I believe it is better to educate than to punish.
Telling people the potential harm drugs can do, without telling them about the potential benefits, is like telling people that cars can kill, without telling them that they can be used to get from A to B.
What if I only smoke marijuana socially?lowing wrote:
if it is illegal, yesTurquoise wrote:
What about drugs that don't have a medicinal use? If a drug is purely recreational, is it abuse to simply use it?lowing wrote:
Here is your wake up call...........Drug use for the purpose of anything other than its intended medicinal use, IS ABUSE!!
If you drink to get completey falling down shit faced drunk it is alcohol abuse.
Would its status of abuse change if it became legal and I smoked it socially?
Keep shooting meth, snorting coke, shooting heroin etc....... and I will bet you that you will be proven wrong.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Except the users will not go away.lowing wrote:
You are now preaching to the choir, I endorse legalizing drugs, and letting every moron out their blow their minds while our govt. gets rich on the taxes. The sooner the drug abusers are all gone the sooner smart society can move forward.Turquoise wrote:
So, during Prohibition, would you have blamed the rumrunners only, or would you have blamed the government at least partially for increased organized crime due to banning a substance with great demand?
The govt. was wrong in banning alcohol.
The use of most drugs is not an irreversible one way trip to the grave.