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Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Or Israel could learn that if they stop the airstrikes, the retaliatory rockets would stop. It's about time that the Israali population learnt that if they stopped massively opressing huge numbers of people the oppressed wouldn't feel the need to attack them.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other...

Ah ok, so Israel stops the airstrikes and its all hunky dory? Aye ok.

Before we enter the exact same part before, there's only one side here that deliberately targets civilians and will not accept a peace deal.

Just because one side says 'Oops' when it kills loads of civilians it does not absolve them of the guilt for doing so. Both sides kill civilians and in fact Israel kill quite a lot more. Palestine need to ditch Hamas for being shit-stirrers and Israel need to stop themselves being drawn into large scale fights like those seen in the past week ...it plays into the hands of Hamas in terms of PR.

And at the end of the day how can 100 Palestinian deaths be justifiable revenge for the death of a few Israelis? That's like an eye for ten eyes for God's sake.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-03-03 06:53:51)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Hamas has only been around for 20 years.  I dont remember hearing about a 10 year lull in violence in Israel, do you?

That was because after 15 months Israel stopped following it, thusly ending the ceasefire.

thats awfully subjective.   You said they followed a 10 year peace deal, then you follow it by saying it lasted only 15 months.  So, apparently, they didnt follow a ten year peace deal if they were offensive again after 15 months. Israel's fault, of course.  Its israel's fault for existing.

sergeriver wrote:

At least 54 Palestinians and two Israeli soldiers have been killed in one of the deadliest days of fighting in Gaza since troops withdrew in 2005.

And apparently the best way to achieve peace is killing all Palestinians. 

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has suspended contact with Israel in protest at an assault on Gaza which has killed about 100 people.

At least it won't be achieved this way.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

why is it that so many people expect Israel to turn the other cheek, but its completely justified when Palestinians counter attack?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

They followed it up till Israel bombed seven civillians picnicking on a beach.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/09/mideast/

"The Israel Defense Forces said it was firing on rocket-launching areas in Gaza after a militant attack earlier in the day."


thats a funky sounding 10 year peace deal to me.

As the IDF offered no actual proof of this then we can treat that statement with a reasonable amount of doubt. Hamas wasn't firing rockets. Some minor groups that weren't part of Hamas were and fighting between them and the Israelis had continued at a low level throughout the period.

If I were Israel, I would have done the same thing.  Your not selling your point here.  If I received rockets from point A,  Im going to return rockets right back to point A.  I dont give a fuck who sent them my way.

Bernadictus wrote:

Why doesn't the IDF role through Gaza as they did with the Lebs? Problem solved.

M.O.A.B wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

Why doesn't the IDF role through Gaza as they did with the Lebs? Problem solved.

Unfortunately many believe we have to prolong problems these days in order to sort them, rather than use the old fashioned methods and end it little time.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

Shadowolf wrote:

The holocaust only sped things up Cam, the idea of a country for the Jews in the land of Israel was thought up back in the late 19th century.
But because the Turks were occupying the land at the time it was not possible. And after WW1 Jewish immigrants started flowing in because the new occupier, Britain, had promised us that we could have our country BUT THE PALENSTINIANS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN AS WELL.
Even though we didn't really like the idea of sharing we agreed, unlike the Palestinians.

And I'm pretty sure the attack on the Suez Canal in '57 was done because we wanted to strengthen our ties with Britain & France and at the same time stop the Egyptians from growing stronger. If you ask me thats a pretty good deal, too bad Britain and France chickened out.

I want to create an Inuit nation inside the borders of Israel..  will you agree? In the holy book of the Inuits, it is written that they were living in the land of Israel 23000 years ago.

I will arm those inuits, send them money and i will give them the right to steal your land and destroy your homes.

Will you fight against these inuits?

Source?

PureFodder wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I think people need to stop looking at this situation as if it were "Good vs Evil".    You cant justify support for the palestinians on the grounds that they are the innocent vicitims.

You can't justify Israel as innocent victims either.
The human rights abuses inflicted upon the Palestinians are evil and only go one way. The targeting of innocent victims is going both ways as everyone accepts. The populace of Palestine are being utterly shafted due to the actions of Hamas and Israel. It's not a justification, but groups like Hamas are a completely predictable result of the plight of the Palestinian populace. Treat people as sub-human for long enough and sooner or later they'll start acting like it.

PureFodder wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

If I were Israel, I would have done the same thing.  Your not selling your point here.  If I received rockets from point A,  Im going to return rockets right back to point A.  I dont give a fuck who sent them my way.

QFE

But, the point you miss is that the only evidence that anyone was firing rockets from that place was an Israeli press statement. Why the fuck would anyone believe that without some compelling proof?

M.O.A.B wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I think people need to stop looking at this situation as if it were "Good vs Evil".    You cant justify support for the palestinians on the grounds that they are the innocent vicitims.

You can't justify Israel as innocent victims either.
The human rights abuses inflicted upon the Palestinians are evil and only go one way. The targeting of innocent victims is going both ways as everyone accepts. The populace of Palestine are being utterly shafted due to the actions of Hamas and Israel. It's not a justification, but groups like Hamas are a completely predictable result of the plight of the Palestinian populace. Treat people as sub-human for long enough and sooner or later they'll start acting like it.

They should also sort it themselves. But apparently they can't do anything about it so...

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

QFE

But, the point you miss is that the only evidence that anyone was firing rockets from that place was an Israeli press statement. Why the fuck would anyone believe that without some compelling proof?

so we believe the palestinian sources over israeli.   makes sense.  not really. 

no matter what israel does, you are going to view them as the "bad guy" 

do you really think your post is worth addressing once we have established this fact.